April 1, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, paco said: That's only a gas estimate. You also save on maintenance every year. And with the Tesla, you also get a nice rhythmic rattling as you drive down the road if you don't feel like listening to the radio really loud. That's worth 80k right there.
April 1, 20223 yr Author 54 minutes ago, paco said: That's only a gas estimate. You also save on maintenance every year. Lol not on a Mach E
April 1, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Boogyman said: And with the Tesla, you also get a nice rhythmic rattling as you drive down the road if you don't feel like listening to the radio really loud. That's worth 80k right there. Its a shame Tesla is the only EV on the market.
April 1, 20223 yr 43 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: Lol not on a Mach E Right now, the maintenance is $0 Quote Ford, GM to halt production at two Michigan plants due to parts shortage Ford Motor Co and General Motors will each halt production next week at a Michigan plant due to parts shortages, the two companies said separately on Thursday. No. 2 U.S. automaker Ford said it would suspend production at its Flat Rock Assembly Plant next week, where it builds the Mustang, due to the global semiconductor shortage. Don't have to pay for maintenance if you don't have a car.
April 1, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, paco said: Its a shame Tesla is the only EV on the market. The original post said Tesla specifically. Your next post, in reply, didn't clarify to include other EVs. I can't help that I have excellent comprehension skills and prefer to stay on topic.
April 1, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, paco said: Right now, the maintenance is $0 Don't have to pay for maintenance if you don't have a car. I can't comment on how noisy they are, or on the "fit and finish". I've never even sat in one. Have you?
April 1, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Boogyman said: I can't comment on how noisy they are, or on the "fit and finish". I've never even sat in one. Have you? Yes. A few weeks after we placed the order I was getting our Explorer worked on and they had one on the lot. Because there was a GT coming available they were trying to upsell me.
April 1, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, paco said: Yes. A few weeks after we placed the order I was getting our Explorer worked on and they had one on the lot. Because there was a GT coming available they were trying to upsell me. Thats good. I'd assume it was better than the two teslas I experienced. I drove a Model 3 that was a few months old. Both doors rattled from inside very loud. I know that's the "cheap one" but it was pretty bad. And whatever the larger SUV is called, I hitched a ride with a friend in that. It also had a noise from the rear but couldn't tell exactly what or where. It was obviously put together a lot better than the 3 though, but I think it's over a 100G. I considered the 3 before I stopped commuting. Didn't see the point in spending more than what that costs to save a few bucks on fuel. Now I see that noise and reliability is an issue with them and I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger. I still feel an EV for the "regular guy" is getting close but a little bit away.
April 1, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Thats good. I'd assume it was better than the two teslas I experienced. I drove a Model 3 that was a few months old. Both doors rattled from inside very loud. I know that's the "cheap one" but it was pretty bad. And whatever the larger SUV is called, I hitched a ride with a friend in that. It also had a noise from the rear but couldn't tell exactly what or where. It was obviously put together a lot better than the 3 though, but I think it's over a 100G. I considered the 3 before I stopped commuting. Didn't see the point in spending more than what that costs to save a few bucks on fuel. Now I see that noise and reliability is an issue with them and I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger. I still feel an EV for the "regular guy" is getting close but a little bit away. Wife had a Model S. I wasn't a fan, but no rattling sound. The Model 3 is for poor people and the X has been a lemon since it was launched.
April 1, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Wife had a Model S. I wasn't a fan, but no rattling sound. The Model 3 is for poor people and the X has been a lemon since it was launched. That's kinda my point about EVs. That model is supposed to be the affordable one, and they obviously cut a million corners to get it to a certain price point. If they have to be buckets of ish for the "everyman/poors" to afford them, they are not really viable yet. I looked into it to save a bit of cash weekly, but spending any more than what that model costs kinda defeats the point. Now if you just want or like them, that's different. I am only speaking from the practical point of view.
April 1, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, Boogyman said: That's kinda my point about EVs. That model is supposed to be the affordable one, and they obviously cut a million corners to get it to a certain price point. If they have to be buckets of ish for the "everyman/poors" to afford them, they are not really viable yet. I looked into it to save a bit of cash weekly, but spending any more than what that model costs kinda defeats the point. Now if you just want or like them, that's different. I am only speaking from the practical point of view. What do you consider affordable? There are EV's around 30k available. And that's before the federal tax credit. So knock off another $7500. And then some states have a tax credit. And some power companies have a credit. So, we are talking about quite a few EVs that can be had for UNDER $25k. Your point is bad and you should feel bad
April 1, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, paco said: What do you consider affordable? There are EV's around 30k available. And that's before the federal tax credit. So knock off another $7500. And then some states have a tax credit. And some power companies have a credit. So, we are talking about quite a few EVs that can be had for UNDER $25k. Your point is bad and you should feel bad I understand the price. I also understand how they get the cars to that price. Don't take it personally bud.
April 1, 20223 yr 54 minutes ago, Boogyman said: I understand the price. I also understand how they get the cars to that price. Don't take it personally bud. Do you?
April 1, 20223 yr Just now, paco said: Do you? Yes. But don't worry about what I think. You don't need a football message board to validate your purchases.
April 1, 20223 yr 44 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Yes. But don't worry about what I think. You don't need a football message board to validate your purchases. Terrific! Lets try this again then. 1 hour ago, paco said: What do you consider affordable? There are EV's around 30k available. And that's before the federal tax credit. So knock off another $7500. And then some states have a tax credit. And some power companies have a credit. So, we are talking about quite a few EVs that can be had for UNDER $25k. Your point is bad and you should feel bad
April 1, 20223 yr 44 minutes ago, paco said: Terrific! Lets try this again then. A 2022 subaru outback.
April 1, 20223 yr 22 minutes ago, Boogyman said: A 2022 subaru outback. MSRP: From $27,145 I provided a link with 5 EVs that could be had for less than that. Two of them are roughly as spacious.
April 1, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, paco said: MSRP: From $27,145 I provided a link with 5 vehicles that could be had for less than that. Two of them are roughly as spacious. I got the Touring XL whatever. Whatever the top trim is. 40ish G. I got a pretty good deal on it and I'm leasing because I don't put mileage on cars anymore. The idea of just getting a new one every three years appeals to me going forward (for now). I'll probably buy a truck soon to replace the second car (minivan) because it's showing its age. That one I will just buy outright and keep for a long time like I usually do with my secondary vehicle. Maybe I'm not being clear. I wouldn't want any of the EVs in the 20 to 35G range (after rebates and whatever), as they are all junky POS's. And anything more expensive than that, in my opinion, defeats the point of an EV (saving money on fuel). Again, these are my thoughts on the EV thing and yours seem to differ. I don't consider every inexpensive item for sale "affordable" just because it's cheap. There is give and take in every purchase (unless you are Vikas maybe, then you just buy the coolest thing out there regardless of price).
April 1, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, Boogyman said: I got the Touring XL whatever. Whatever the top trim is. 40ish G. I got a pretty good deal on it and I'm leasing because I don't put mileage on cars anymore. The idea of just getting a new one every three years appeals to me going forward (for now). I'll probably buy a truck soon to replace the second car (minivan) because it's showing its age. That one I will just buy outright and keep for a long time like I usually do with my secondary vehicle. Maybe I'm not being clear. I wouldn't want any of the EVs in the 20 to 35G range (after rebates and whatever), as they are all junky POS's. And anything more expensive than that, in my opinion, defeats the point of an EV (saving money on fuel). Again, these are my thoughts on the EV thing and yours seem to differ. I don't consider every inexpensive item for sale "affordable" just because it's cheap. There is give and take in every purchase (unless you are Vikas maybe, then you just buy the coolest thing out there regardless of price). So the goalposts have from: 3 hours ago, Boogyman said: I still feel an EV for the "regular guy" is getting close but a little bit away. To whatever the hell this is: 18 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Maybe I'm not being clear. I wouldn't want any of the EVs in the 20 to 35G range (after rebates and whatever), as they are all junky POS's. And anything more expensive than that, in my opinion, defeats the point of an EV (saving money on fuel). 1) Guess what, an "affordable" car isn't going to be very high end. Gas or electric 2) Did you even look at that link I posted? Yeah, I wouldn't be caught dead in a bolt either and I'm not exactly a car guy. But also in that list is a MINI Cooper SE. Not sure if you ever have driven a MINI but while small they are hardly junky. The 2022 Mazda MX-30 isn't a bad looking crossover. And the Volkswagen ID.4, which creeps JUST above that sweet, sweet outback you quoted in terms of price looks like a really nice EV. (I personally am not a fan of VW) If you wanted to make an argument, you should have attacked the fact that 3 of the top five have a very limited range (between 100-149 miles) and are only practical as a grocery getter. But instead, you make a broad statement about your personal tastes in an attempt to walk back that the comment that: 3 hours ago, Boogyman said: I still feel an EV for the "regular guy" is getting close but a little bit away. When in fact the average joe (See: not Vikas) can afford one today.
April 1, 20223 yr 31 minutes ago, paco said: MSRP: From $27,145 I provided a link with 5 EVs that could be had for less than that. Two of them are roughly as spacious. What's their average distance on a fully charged battery?
April 1, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, paco said: If you wanted to make an argument, you should have attacked the fact that 3 of the top five have a very limited range (between 100-149 miles) and are only practical as a grocery getter. But instead, you make a broad statement about your personal tastes in an attempt to walk back that the comment that: Just now, DrPhilly said: What's their average distance on a fully charged battery? See? That's what putting just a tiny bit of thought into something looks like. To answer @DrPhilly, 3 were under 150 miles, but the 2022 Chevrolet Bolt EV is 259 miles and the 2022 Hyundai Kona Electric is 258 miles
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