June 23, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: uh, we were still a net exporter of oil in 2021. and we continue to be a net exporter in 2022. because despite all of the above, the president is not a king, and cannot appreciably increase or decrease the production of oil in the short term. there is no "drill baby drill" button in the White House. It's not a matter of Drill baby drill, it's more about refining at this point for domestic OIl - But longterm outlooks also include new leases, and more capacity. To quote Vikas "It is completely uneconomical to build a new refining plant given all the regulations, and building one takes YEARS even if they wanted to." As a result of several U.S. refinery closures in 2020, U.S. operable atmospheric crude oil distillation capacity, the primary measure of refinery capacity in the United States, dropped 4.5% to a total of 18.1 million barrels per calendar day (b/cd) at the start of 2021. The end-of-year 2020 total is 0.8 million b/cd less than the 19.0 million b/cd of refining capacity at the start of 2020. According to the data in our annual Refinery Capacity Report, the beginning of 2021 marks the lowest annual capacity figure to start the year since 2015. Based on information reported to us in our recent update, U.S. refining capacity will not expand significantly during 2021. We removed the following refineries from total U.S. operable capacity after they closed: The Philadelphia Energy Solutions refinery in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: 335,000 b/cd The Shell refinery in Convent, Louisiana: 211,146 b/cd The Tesoro (Marathon) refinery in Martinez, California: 161,000 b/cd The HollyFrontier refinery in Cheyenne, Wyoming: 48,000 b/cd The Western Refining refinery in Gallup, New Mexico: 27,000 b/cd The Dakota Prairie refinery in Dickinson, North Dakota: 19,000 b/cd And current climate policies are pushing OIl companies to move towards BIO fuels Plus "there are quite a few refineries that are being repurposed,” Smith said — now focusing their operations on biofuels. That has put even more pressure on capacity, according to Bob McNally, president of Rapidan Energy Group. From An Oil Exec - Talking about Policies and regulations in general- responding to Biden's plea for help- The solution to the ongoing crisis, Wirth explained, "requires thoughtful action and a willingness to work together, not political rhetoric.” Wirth, therefore, suggested that bringing down gas prices and increasing oil supply "will require a change in approach” from Biden. "The U.S. energy sector needs cooperation and support from your Administration for our country to return to a path toward greater energy security, economic prosperity, and environmental protection,” Wirth wrote. "We need clarity and consistency on policy matters ranging from leases and permits on federal lands, to the ability to permit and build critical infrastructure, to the proper role of regulation that considers both costs and benefits.” Also, It is not just supply and demand that helps to drive the price globally-
June 23, 20223 yr Again, where was the change in policy under Trump that you're imagining that resulted in relaxed regulations and new refineries? There hasn't been a large volume oil refinery built in the US since the 70s. This is not some problem of Biden's creation no matter how many times you try to pin it on him. It's not just Federal regulations either. State regulations and nimbyism are a huge part of the problem. The only way we've expanded refinery capacity in any significant way since 1977 is through expansion of existing refineries, because the red tape is less. My argument isn't that there isn't an issue of needing more refinery capacity. This nation wants more gasoline refining, but between regulations and local opposition the cost to build them is simply prohibitive. My argument is that these are not anything close to new issues that Biden has foisted on the nation, no matter how many times you stupidly try to argue it. We had 12 years of Reagan-Bush, and another 8 with Dubya, then four with Trump. And during none of those periods was there any serious progress made in building any new high capacity oil refinery plants. Trump would not have been able to change 45 years of intractability there.
June 23, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Again, where was the change in policy under Trump that you're imagining that resulted in relaxed regulations and new refineries? There hasn't been a large volume oil refinery built in the US since the 70s. This is not some problem of Biden's creation no matter how many times you try to pin it on him. It's not just Federal regulations either. State regulations and nimbyism are a huge part of the problem. The only way we've expanded refinery capacity in any significant way since 1977 is through expansion of existing refineries, because the red tape is less. My argument isn't that there isn't an issue of needing more refinery capacity. This nation wants more gasoline refining, but between regulations and local opposition the cost to build them is simply prohibitive. My argument is that these are not anything close to new issues that Biden has foisted on the nation, no matter how many times you stupidly try to argue it. We had 12 years of Reagan-Bush, and another 8 with Dubya, then four with Trump. And during none of those periods was there any serious progress made in building any new high capacity oil refinery plants. Trump would not have been able to change 45 years of intractability there. So you were unaware of all the changes Trump put in place to deregulate the industry? Below are just a few quick articles dealing with some of that, though not all of his deregulations were aimed at promoting domestic Fossil Fuel production, some were directly aimed at that industry- And biden reversed them all in his first week in office, because of his Climate Freindly Agenda to push towards Renewable energies. He told you he was going to do it while campaigning. He even stated sure it will cost us more..... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks-list.html?mtrref=duckduckgo.com&gwh=4598B29E7C50CE7E212E1EE21B6B5AA4&gwt=regi&assetType=REGIWALL https://www.hoover.org/research/trumps-deregulatory-successes https://www.cato.org/regulation/summer-2020/deregulation-under-trump https://reason.com/volokh/2020/11/02/the-trump-administrations-real-deregulatory-record/ https://cei.org/blog/so-what-regulations-did-trump-eliminate/ https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html?mtrref=duckduckgo.com&gwh=85DE90919FCF465CCAFBBC2F0FFC01D3&gwt=regi&assetType=REGIWALL Biden and the libs have been pushing a climate freindly agenda, which has hoisted much regulation and expense on the Domestic Fossil Fuel industry, hampering their ability to expand, invest, grow, and produce. They (Biden and the Dems) campaign on it, enact policies on it, Biden takes action in his first week doing so, but according to you, all of that has zero affect on the ability to produce Domestic Fossil Fuels. I think we are done here.
June 23, 20223 yr 28 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: I think we are done here. Because you refuse to accept reality. Nothing Trump did accelerated the construction of new oil refineries, and nothing Biden has done has decelerated it. Despite Trump's regulatory changes, nowhere near the necessary level of impediments were removed to invite new construction of refineries. Because presidents aren't kings.
June 23, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Because you refuse to accept reality. Nothing Trump did accelerated the construction of new oil refineries, and nothing Biden has done has decelerated it. Despite Trump's regulatory changes, nowhere near the necessary level of impediments were removed to invite new construction of refineries. Because presidents aren't kings. This is where they lose you. Because the @Ipiggles and @Procus 's of the world wish they had a king. And God sent us just one man for the job, according to their programming, and that man was Trump. No one else is fit to be the King they desire.
June 23, 20223 yr It's funny how a mentally challenged person presumes to know what other people are thinking
June 24, 20223 yr 21 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: uh, we were still a net exporter of oil in 2021. and we continue to be a net exporter in 2022. because despite all of the above, the president is not a king, and cannot appreciably increase or decrease the production of oil in the short term. there is no "drill baby drill" button in the White House. Someone should have told Chuck Shumar that
June 24, 20223 yr 17 minutes ago, paco said: Someone should have told Chuck Shumar that Schumer's a political hack too. Gas has always been a political football, and it's stupid because presidents just don't have that much control in the short term. This is simple supply and demand economics. The demand for refined gasoline and diesel is higher relative to supply than two years ago by a wide margin, and price increases reflect that. Things can be done to hedge against this long term. And removing red tape at the federal level would help, but red tape goes all the way down to local communities. Americans don't want refineries in their communities, and just like other dirty jobs Americans don't want to do anymore we're finding that it's cheaper to outsource gas refinery to places that can more easily pave over their poors to get factories and refineries built. Welcome to being a nation of entitled twats.
June 24, 20223 yr Hmmm - this sounds dangerous coming from an elected politician..... is this a threat to our democracy?
June 24, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Ipiggles said: The left cant meme /\/\/\ proof Too many words for you, sweetie?
June 24, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: Too many words for you, sweetie? I know you weren't talking to me (otherwise you would have said angel eyes), but yes.
June 24, 20223 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: We'll move wherever the F we want. Eat a D. and you will have to travel out of state to kill your baby in the womb. At todays gas prices, it might be easier on you just to stay in the Blue state
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