June 28, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: They won't do it unless they know they have a unchallenged replacement to crown at the Dem Convention, if that happens they'll ask Obama to take Joe out to the woodshed somberly thank Joe for his service but talk about a duty to the voters. If however they see a risk of say Bernie throwing his hat into the ring at a straight run off at the convention without the safety net of primaries to stage manage him out of the process, then they'll ride Biden into the abyss, because ultimately if the choice is between fascism and mild left wing reform, the Dem leadership will take 4 years of fascism thanks very much (albeit while making sad faces on the evening news). Nah, that's too functional for the Dems
June 28, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Nah, I think if you're the type that watches debates at all, you can score both style and substance. Not to mean you can't win on just style like Reagan used to, but Bill Clinton for example would whip your arse with well phrased substance. When Mitt Romney destroyed Obama in debate 1, he whipped him on BOTH. Granted Obama was playing with a much bigger room for error and had 2 debates later where he won, but I personally had this a much closer score than the pundits have it. Style always wins, always has and always will.
June 28, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Nah, I think if you're the type that watches debates at all, you can score both style and substance. Not to mean you can't win on just style like Reagan used to, but Bill Clinton for example would whip your arse with well phrased substance. When Mitt Romney destroyed Obama in debate 1, he whipped him on BOTH. Granted Obama was playing with a much bigger room for error and had 2 debates later where he won, but I personally had this a much closer score than the pundits have it. How many people "watch debates?” I mean, I get what you’re saying, but that’s not what most people do. Most people are voting with their lizard brain and they don’t know policy beyond a superficial level of "god good” or "abortion good.” What matters are zingers and overall impression.
June 28, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, The_Omega said: The Democrats now have only 2 options left, one that would win but doesn’t want to run, Michelle 0bama, and one that wants to run but can’t win, Kamala Harris. They can’t dump the 1st black VP for a while person, another minority is their only option. Harris has a better chance than Joe. Sadly. She was good on TV last night. She would still probably lose, but she has a puncher's chance. Biden has no shot.
June 28, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: Only time will tell but I think he's still the nominee. Replacing him after the primaries is the riskier play, especially with no other candidates that came close to challenging him. My wife thinks he's in the early stages of Parkinson's. She works with patients like that on a dauly basis, and I trust her judgement. If it isn't Parkinson's, its something. There's no shame at his age of jsut saying his health is failing him and he needs to step aside. Honestly, the best thing to do is for him to resign the presidency, let Harris take over, and have her run. I know she's not well liked but she has at least a chance to turn it around. Biden has no chance.
June 28, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Nah, that's too functional for the Dems I think no one is taking into account Joe Biden’s ego. You can’t just take him out of the race. He may be a mentally crippled ****, but he’s HIS mentally crippled ****.
June 28, 20241 yr There is zero doubt that the inner circle in the DNC has known for quite some time that Biden's mental state is in serious decline. I suppose they have seen a mix of moments of clarity thrown in with the bad episodes. Guess the DNC decided to roll the dice. Surely they must be prepared on some level for the fallout.
June 28, 20241 yr Also the person who looked best last night? Rubio. I've lost a lot of respect for him by being such a boot licker, but he's extremely smart and has a command of the issues.
June 28, 20241 yr Just now, TEW said: You can’t just take him out of the race. Sure you can. At some point the family decides to take Grandma's drivers license away from her despite her intention to keep it.
June 28, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: There is zero doubt that the inner circle in the DNC has known for quite some time that Biden's mental state is in serious decline. I suppose they have seen a mix of moments of clarity thrown in with the bad episodes. Guess the DNC decided to roll the dice. Surely they must be prepared on some level for the fallout. I have elderly parents (one has passed). Old people have good days and bad days. However, were he to be re-elected he would start having more bad days than good if he isn't already.
June 28, 20241 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: Sure you can. At some point the family decides to take Grandma's drivers license away from her despite her intention to keep it. Grandma isn’t the president and the nominee. He has to agree to step down. And I’m not so sure he will. At least not with enough time.
June 28, 20241 yr Probably my favorite moment from the debate, but there are so many to choose from that it's tough.
June 28, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, TEW said: Grandma isn’t the president and the nominee. He has to agree to step down. And I’m not so sure he will. At least not with enough time. Jill is the key. She has to convicne him its what's best for the country. His sister too. He would listen to them.
June 28, 20241 yr Just now, Gannan said: Harris has a better chance than Joe. Sadly. She was good on TV last night. She would still probably lose, but she has a puncher's chance. Biden has no shot. Dems have plenty of options beyond Harris. Reps wish it was between Joe and Kamala, but Dems can go with anyone they want. All it takes is for Joe to make the call (which is obviously the big if, but if he didn't see it as an option, then he wouldn't have decided on a June debate). Should probably be Newsom, which means it can't be Kamala as his VP (California law blocks it; the Dems F'ing themselves once again in favor of playing it fair).
June 28, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Style always wins, always has and always will. Biden did not beat a dozen whippersnappers in the Democrat primaries on style. He might have been the least stylish guy in the field. You can win with either, though I agree style wins in a draw.
June 28, 20241 yr 55 minutes ago, TEW said: Trump will go off on tangents and speak in incomplete sentences at times, but you get the point he’s trying to make
June 28, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Biden did not beat a dozen whippersnappers in the Democrat primaries on style. He might have been the least stylish guy in the field. You can win with either, though I agree style wins in a draw. No bigger Biden fan than me. He isn't the same as he was in 2020.
June 28, 20241 yr 10 hours ago, vikas83 said: Whitmer/Moore makes a lot of sense. I don't know much about Moore but that ticket is much better than the current one. Woman + black guy makes me nervous though.
June 28, 20241 yr Just now, Gannan said: No bigger Biden fan than me. He isn't the same as he was in 2020. Sure but even then he never had the charisma of Beto or Buttigieg. He won on substance, by running in the wide open moderate lane that voters actually wanted.
June 28, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, Kz! said: Probably my favorite moment from the debate, but there are so many to choose from that it's tough. There was actually a slightly better camera angle for Trumps response here:
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