June 28, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: It isn't about the age itself, it's the state of mental decline The part where he starts talking about abortion, pauses, then inexplicably talks about a woman beign raped and killed by an illegal did it for me. A "senior moment" would be being generous.
June 28, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Of course. But nobody wants to hear facts from their president. On some level that's always been so - but only to a degree that constituted normal for a politician / candidate. Trump just lies, and the sad part is that those who support him want the lies so badly that now the lies have become their safe space alternate reality. Speaking of lying, here's my favorite fact-check of the night:
June 28, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: Surely you can see the concerns about his mental facilities are legit at this point i don't think he does.
June 28, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, TEW said: We’ll see. Every major left wing outlet is calling for it, CNN Dems said that insiders are calling for it. And yet the Biden camp came out and said no. They will continue to say "no" until they say "yes". That's the way this kind of thing works.
June 28, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Gannan said: The part where he starts talking about abortion, pauses, then inexplicably talks about a woman beign raped and killed by an illegal did it for me. A "senior moment" would be being generous. yep...finally an issue that should really help him...abortion....and dude brings up immigration...an issue that's killing him. that was a major f up. i believe biden was the first one to mention afghanistan as well. dude imploded.
June 28, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: Would stink much of racial bias It's risky no doubt but weighed against staying the course or the F*-for -ALL of replacing Biden at this stage, i'm surprised to be the only talking about it.
June 28, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: yep...finally an issue that should really help him...abortion....and dude brings up immigration...an issue that's killing him. that was a major f up. i believe biden was the first one to mention afghanistan as well. dude imploded. It was a weird night, Trump also came in with a priority to defend the record of his veterans comments, he was the one that brought that up. Looked like he had a bit prepared about the things he did for the military and had...nothing. Absolutely nothing past "they love me and everybody says so". Biden had a veteran housing project to tout, Trump had...nothing.
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June 28, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: I'm not advocating for either, I think Trump has any number of things that should disqualify him from office and his continuing candidacy is a rank embarrassment to the Republican party, but he looks way sharper thinking on his feet than Biden does now and if campaigning that Trump is an embarrassment is your whole campaign, that's a boatload less effective when you're own candidate can't remember whether he's answering a question about abortion or immigration, or claims defeating medicare as an achievement because he looks like he can't remember where he is. You were only unadvocating one, and quickly make excuses for the other.
June 28, 20241 yr 29 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: It's all about his age, never mind he won on substance of the issues. Joe must go, am I right. It's not just his age, you're arguing a straw man, the man had a complete brain fart on the first topic which ended with "...we defeated Medicare", When Roe v Wade came up a topic that should have been a slam dunk for him he said the repeal was a bad thing and then inexplicably went off talking about rape by illegals and some girls being murdered. We're living in a World with 2 major conflicts that could expand massively if not managed properly, you cannot deal with that with a US President who completely forgets what he's talking about mid sentence, even if he has good spells. The Dems will have to get Biden to step down as candidate It's untenable.
June 28, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Toastrel said: You were only unadvocating one, and quickly make excuses for the other. No I was describing what everyone watched on Television, you may have seen some other commentary about it. Trump lying is what he's done his entire career, business and political. At this point you have to accept that his support has baked that in to their electoral calculations. Biden having an undeniable public display of cognitive impairment as the sitting President is the bigger story, whether you think that's fair or not really doesn't interest me that much. To sum up, I expect Trump to lie, I didn't expect Biden to be so much of a trainwreck. That doesn't mean I support Trump, but I do recognise that he is increasingly likely to win if the Dems don't get a new candidate.
June 28, 20241 yr In Canada we don't have a months-long primary season to select our candidates; we have a party convention which is, in essence, a leadership review. Candidates bring their delegates to the convention floor and votes are held by ballot until a leader is chosen. If no candidate has >50% support, the last place candidate is removed from the next ballot, and the remaining candidates canvas the floor for their supporters. A fiercely-contested leadership convention can take 2-3 days to finish. Democrats are making some serious gaffes leading up to this election. Biden was too old to run in 2020, but he was thought to be the best option because of his ability to bring the party factions together and defeat Trump in a general election. He did that. I said at the time -- he should have held the Presidency for 2 years and handed it off to his Vice President to allow them to build a record on which to run for re-election this year. If the Vice President wasn't up for the top job then you have the option to select a better candidate to run. Biden is no longer fit for the top job; that shouldn't surprise anybody. It's seldom that a suitable 82 year-old candidate can be found. Democrats should have known this -- years ago. They should have made a rational decision (supported by a crap-ton of focus group and research data) on who the best candidate for 2024 is. Lyndon Johnson didn't step aside because he was a "nice guy" or "putting the country first". He was told -- you're NOT going to win the nomination; you can either step aside or be humiliated at the convention. LBJ had decades of political experience. He knew the score. Biden also has decades of political experience; he should know as well. Democrats "should" know already which other candidates poll high enough to beat Trump in a general election (not sure they do). Get a younger, more vibrant candidate in there ASAP. Time for Biden to dust off LBJ's 1968 speech.
June 28, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said: In Canada we don't have a months-long primary season to select our candidates; we have a party convention which is, in essence, a leadership review. Candidates bring their delegates to the convention floor and votes are held by ballot until a leader is chosen. If no candidate has >50% support, the last place candidate is removed from the next ballot, and the remaining candidates canvas the floor for their supporters. A fiercely-contested leadership convention can take 2-3 days to finish. Democrats are making some serious gaffes leading up to this election. Biden was too old to run in 2020, but he was thought to be the best option because of his ability to bring the party factions together and defeat Trump in a general election. He did that. I said at the time -- he should have held the Presidency for 2 years and handed it off to his Vice President to allow them to build a record on which to run for re-election this year. If the Vice President wasn't up for the top job then you have the option to select a better candidate to run. Biden is no longer fit for the top job; that shouldn't surprise anybody. It's seldom that a suitable 82 year-old candidate can be found. Democrats should have known this -- years ago. They should have made a rational decision (supported by a crap-ton of focus group and research data) on who the best candidate for 2024 is. Lyndon Johnson didn't step aside because he was a "nice guy" or "putting the country first". He was told -- you're NOT going to win the nomination; you can either step aside or be humiliated at the convention. LBJ had decades of political experience. He knew the score. Biden also has decades of political experience; he should know as well. Democrats "should" know already which other candidates poll high enough to beat Trump in a general election (not sure they do). Get a younger, more vibrant candidate in there ASAP. Time for Biden to dust off LBJ's 1968 speech. I've been trying to tell these Yanks for months on end that they should elect Canada's Lindy Booth as their next leader. It would take a constitutional convention but there's still time to make this happen. They all think I was just being a weirdo that likes hot redheads half his age - and they're right.
June 28, 20241 yr Author 14 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Don't press your luck mate It’s not me saying it.
June 28, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, The_Omega said: It’s not me saying it. No but you chose to post it here
June 28, 20241 yr Honesty whoever was doing debate prep for Biden should be fired and never see the light of day in politics again. No idea why they were pumping an old guy full of talking points. When he was speaking more extemporaneously he was doing better. I mean it still wasn’t good, but it was better.
June 28, 20241 yr Author 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: No but you chose to post it here That’s where the conversation among Democrats is heading. You think he willingly steps down?
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