July 9, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, Bill said: Ah, glad it’s gotten better. In ‘22 the wait time was around 18 months. I had to go to a passport office to get mine because I was going overseas before that time frame. Also of note of all the passport offices in the US, only two had appointments available. Talked to a few people there, who all flew in from around the country so they could get theirs. It was a fun few days. No it wasn't. We applied for a passport in 2022 for my daughter and she had it in 2-3 months. Did you misspell your name on the form or something?
July 9, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, Bill said: Ah, glad it’s gotten better. In ‘22 the wait time was around 18 months. I had to go to a passport office to get mine because I was going overseas before that time frame. Also of note of all the passport offices in the US, only two had appointments available. Talked to a few people there, who all flew in from around the country so they could get theirs. It was a fun few days. I renewed my passport in early 2021 before everyone got vaxxed and could travel again. Got mine back real quick, easy peasy. 2022 was an awfully busy time to travel. Lots of pent up demand and the air industry wasn't ready for the onslaught.
July 9, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, DrPhilly said: Congress should pass a law ensuring that all citizens have a simple and low cost access to getting an ID and that those IDs are valid for voting in any election of federal level officials, i.e. Congress/POTUS. States that don't comply cannot send representatives to Congress and their electoral votes are thrown out. Give states a full cycle so make this valid from the 2028 elections. Define low cost. Because you can get a non drivers ID for less than 40 bucks depending on what state. Under $10 a year to be able to do adult stuff isn't barrier to entry IMO. Examples of non drivers photo ID's and costs NY - $14 and under for 4 years NJ - $24 PA - $41 for the initial fee I'm sorry, but I reject the idea that requiring an ID is voter suppression. If you really, really want to vote that badly, you can easily obtain an id.
July 9, 20241 yr Just now, paco said: Define low cost. Because you can get a non drivers ID for less than 40 bucks depending on what state. Under $10 a year to be able to do adult stuff isn't barrier to entry IMO. Examples of non drivers photo ID's and costs NY - $14 and under for 4 years NJ - $24 PA - $41 for the initial fee I'm sorry, but I reject the idea that requiring an ID is voter suppression. If you really, really want to vote that badly, you can easily obtain an id. $40 for four years is certainly low enough in my opinion
July 9, 20241 yr 23 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Kamala's campaign issues are pretty well known and explored, and in no scenario does it tie back to Tulsa Gabbard - who was and is a joke - debating Kamala. Nobody took Gabbard seriously except right-wingnuts who were trying to raise her profile in the Democratic primary. Gabbard should have stuck to sharing pics of her surfing. It would have served her better to speak less. The moment an unserious candidate in Gabbard read out her record and she couldn't answer or justify it... For the public or the Democrat party activists who had seen a shiny view of Harris, she was done. If she was known to be that bad as a candidate, why was she even allowed to stand for President? And then be appointed as VP? 8 hours ago, vikas83 said: Uh. They’re French. Their nationality disincentivizes hard work. Incentivizes surrendering to Germans though. It's why we know them as the Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys
July 9, 20241 yr 48 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Could just as easily just set up a system where your ID on file with the DMV/state is pulled up when you appear at the polls and they can verify it right there. Problem is threefold there: 1) Cost - That would require every polling station to be set up with access that system. At MINIMUM you would need a state issue laptop that has access to that system for each volunteer. Then there is the cost of the system itself. Asking a person to flash their ID in their wallet? $0 2) Security - What is stopping a bad actor from volunteering and using it to snoop in on peoples information (address, DOB, etc) in between checking voters in? Security risk with people flashing an ID? Near 0. I won't discount that evil Rainman could volunteer and memorize everyone's ID. 3) Reliability - What if said laptop crashes? What if the entire system goes down (think HealthCare.gov)? What if there is an attack on the system by a foreign agent? Then you have REAL voter suppression. Flashing an ID that an adult should have anyway (insert meme with a list of 20 things you need an ID for and not for voting) removes that risk.
July 9, 20241 yr 41 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: That's fine btw - I agree this isn't the issue we should be prioritizing (see my reply to Toast). The issue is that it won't change a thing. The right will still allege voter fraud with zero evidence to support it when they lose elections. They alleged voter fraud in plenty of states where IDs are required to vote, most notably Georgia.
July 9, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, paco said: Problem is threefold there: 1) Cost - That would require every polling station to be set up with that system. At MINIMUM you would need a state issue laptop that has access to that system for each volunteer. Asking a person to flash their ID in their wallet? $0 2) Security - What is stopping a bad actor from volunteering and using it to snoop in on peoples information (address, DOB, etc) in between checking voters in? Security risk with people flashing an ID? Near 0. I won't discount that evil Rainman could volunteer and memorize everyone's ID. 3) Reliability - What if said laptop crashes? What if the entire system goes down (think HealthCare.gov)? What if there is an attack on the system by a foreign agent? Then you have REAL voter suppression. Flashing an ID that an adult should have anyway (insert meme with a list of 20 things you need an ID for an not for voting) removes that risk. This is why all electronic voting solutions have backup paper balloting. You take paper ballots from the majority of voters who have their photo ID on them and collect provisional ballots from those who do not. I would provide access to a mobile application for this purpose so on site laptops wouldn't be necessary, though in many polling centers they already have them. I envisioned similar objections when I wrote that paragraph, but working in IT I also know there is plenty of opportunity for redundancy including low tech/no tech.
July 9, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, UK Eagle said: It's why we know them as the Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys Sounds like left over butthurt for their role in helping us.
July 9, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: The issue is that it won't change a thing. The right will still allege voter fraud with zero evidence to support it when they lose elections. They alleged voter fraud in plenty of states where IDs are required to vote, most notably Georgia. For sure. I wasn't addressing the issue of the right's use of the topic politically. What I was asserting is that voter ID is simply a no-brainer from a logical procedural perspective. Having said that, getting it in place takes time and costs money and I agree there are lots of other items that are more important from a practical perspective. There really isn't much more to be done in the near term with regard to the right's "rigged election" tactics as far as I can see. Just continue hammering the basic reality that says "yes, there is always voter fraud AND no, it isn't significant".
July 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Diehardfan said: They do at least one of those. Their welfare checks don't come as cash. Everyone needs an ID to live these days. You would be surprised by the amount of people that come in looking for a " job" that can't be hired because they don't have IDs in low income communities. Or the amount of people that play the skills games and have to pest our customers for their ID to cash out.
July 9, 20241 yr 25 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: This is why all electronic voting solutions have backup paper balloting. You take paper ballots from the majority of voters who have their photo ID on them and collect provisional ballots from those who do not. I would provide access to a mobile application for this purpose so on site laptops wouldn't be necessary, though in many polling centers they already have them. I envisioned similar objections when I wrote that paragraph, but working in IT I also know there is plenty of opportunity for redundancy including low tech/no tech. Back up power, mobile apps, etc are still susceptible to outages if the main system is down. Hell, facebook is a marvel of cloud computing architecture and it still goes down from time do time. Do you trust the government to build something that has near 24/7 reliability? The only way around that would be each polling station has the data local on the on site laptops. Of course you only want relevant data on those laptops (so not a national/state or even county data dump), and that becomes a logistical nightmare in its own. And of course there is data privacy concerns with that solution. But lets say you do all of that. What would the backup protocol be if the system DOES go down? Show your ID.
July 9, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, paco said: Back up power, mobile apps, etc are still susceptible to outages if the main system is down. Hell, facebook is a marvel of cloud computing architecture and it still goes down from time do time. Do you trust the government to build something that has near 24/7 reliability? The only way around that would be each polling station has the data local on the on site laptops. Of course you only want relevant data on those laptops (so not a national/state or even county data dump), and that becomes a logistical nightmare in its own. And of course there is data privacy concerns with that solution. But lets say you do all of that. What would the backup protocol be if the system DOES go down? Show your ID. I laid out my backup plan in the first line: take paper ballots and certify them as ID verified from those with ID on them at the polling station, and allow anyone lacking ID to have a provisional ballot and if the provisional ballots would be needed then you do verification of those as needed.
July 9, 20241 yr 45 minutes ago, paco said: Define low cost. Because you can get a non drivers ID for less than 40 bucks depending on what state. Under $10 a year to be able to do adult stuff isn't barrier to entry IMO. Examples of non drivers photo ID's and costs NY - $14 and under for 4 years NJ - $24 PA - $41 for the initial fee I'm sorry, but I reject the idea that requiring an ID is voter suppression. If you really, really want to vote that badly, you can easily obtain an id. Some of the poorest nations on earth have voter ID laws. There's a strong correlation between anti-voter ID sentiment and white guilt.
July 9, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I laid out my backup plan in the first line: take paper ballots and certify them as ID verified from those with ID on them at the polling station, and allow anyone lacking ID to have a provisional ballot and if the provisional ballots would be needed then you do verification of those as needed. TBF, I added my last bit several minutes later and I forgot you did write that. Chalk it up to finally having a cup of tea just now.
July 9, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Tnt4philly said: Personal preference. I love me a good cup of tea. Never got into coffee
July 9, 20241 yr Just now, paco said: Personal preference. I love me a good cup of tea. Never got into coffee I have a cup or two in the morning but can do with out. Oddly, I drink my coffee black, but like my tea with milk and sugar.
July 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, DrPhilly said: Maybe we can agree here. I can agree that this isn't the top problem to solve. Can we also agree that requiring an ID to vote is just basic common sense and that if we had it in place you wouldn't be arguing to remove it? edit: Under the assumption that an ID is easy and cheap to acquire so it is readily available to everyone. If we land there then we've come full circle and the result is "yes, it would be nice to have it BUT we have many other issues to deal with first". My state requires to show ID the first time you vote in a new polling place. After that, you are not required to show ID. This seems to work fine. Again, what is the point wasting time to fix something not broken? They are not verifying IDs. A poll worker looks at it. Could be fake, who knows? What is the point? If you are going to require ID, and you cannot charge for this, thanks to things like poll taxes from the past, what do you do? The more you dig in, the larger the problem becomes, but the constitution leaves it up to the states to manage their business as they see fit. Since there is no problem, this is a huge waste of time and effort. How about we make voting machines safer, and verifiable? That is a worthy effort that will make a difference.
July 9, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Toastrel said: My state requires to show ID the first time you vote in a new polling place. After that, you are not required to show ID. This seems to work fine. Again, what is the point wasting time to fix something not broken? They are not verifying IDs. A poll worker looks at it. Could be fake, who knows? What is the point? If you are going to require ID, and you cannot charge for this, thanks to things like poll taxes from the past, what do you do? The more you dig in, the larger the problem becomes, but the constitution leaves it up to the states to manage their business as they see fit. Since there is no problem, this is a huge waste of time and effort. How about we make voting machines safer, and verifiable? That is a worthy effort that will make a difference. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. I'm good here. Nothing more to discuss.
July 9, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, paco said: Personal preference. I love me a good cup of tea. Never got into coffee I've started to get my workouts in early in the morning with this heat being so bad during the day. I have drank a lot less coffee in that timeframe, don't seem to need it.
July 9, 20241 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. I'm good here. Nothing more to discuss. You are such a weirdo.
July 9, 20241 yr Just now, Toastrel said: You are such a weirdo. What's weird about it? You laid out your thoughts and I laid out mine. There isn't anything more to say.
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