16 minutes ago, paco said:

Hey you're talking about the first black woman to serve with a black president, put some respect on the mans name. He had a cold / stutter / bad day at the office.

Here's your chance, ladies... 

The voter ID thing is dumb because it is trying to find a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. However, the point is simple -- requiring a form of identification that costs money to acquire is arguably, and likely, a violation of the 24th amendment. It would be pretty reasonable for courts to conclude that requiring people to pay for an ID card in order to vote is a form of a poll tax. 

If you want a national law requiring voter ID, then you need a way to give free voter ID cards to all citizens. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

The voter ID thing is dumb because it is trying to find a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. However, the point is simple -- requiring a form of identification that costs money to acquire is arguably, and likely, a violation of the 24th amendment. It would be pretty reasonable for courts to conclude that requiring people to pay for an ID card in order to vote is a form of a poll tax. 

If you want a national law requiring voter ID, then you need a way to give free voter ID cards to all citizens. 

I think all ID cards should be free anyway - 

but people should have to prove that they are who they say they are in order to vote, one way or another

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

If you want a national law requiring voter ID, then you need a way to give free voter ID cards to all citizens.

Simple solution.  Allow for drivers licenses as valid ID cards.  That will knock out the majority of individuals and costs.  Give others a free voter ID card if they want one.

2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

My great aunt wasn't poor but she was old and didn't drive (my uncle drove her everywhere she needed to go) so she never got a driver's license. I think all she needed for finances was her SSN card but she passed away several years ago so I could be misremembering some things.

I wonder if laws have changed. Even outside of voting those people should be provided one via mobile facilities. We spend stupid money on so many things that should be easy

3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Simple solution.  Allow for drivers licenses as valid ID cards.  That will knock out the majority of individuals and costs.  Give others a free voter ID card if they want one.

You'd have to make the IDs available to every citizen, free of charge, or it's a violation of the 14th amendment. Non-citizens are allowed to get driver's licenses. Hell, many states give them to illegal immigrants. Proof of citizenship right now is only via a Passport.

So no, it's not simple. There are real constitutional questions all around. If you want a Federal law requiring identification, then you need to provide a free federal voting ID card to all citizens. 

 

Just now, vikas83 said:

You'd have to make the IDs available to every citizen, free of charge, or it's a violation of the 14th amendment. Non-citizens are allowed to get driver's licenses. Hell, many states give them to illegal immigrants. Proof of citizenship right now is only via a Passport.

So no, it's not simple. There are real constitutional questions all around. If you want a Federal law requiring identification, then you need to provide a free federal voting ID card to all citizens. 

Also, lindy booth.

Nice try, Arthur

7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Simple solution.  Allow for drivers licenses as valid ID cards.  That will knock out the majority of individuals and costs.  Give others a free voter ID card if they want one.

They will still say it's undue burden - bus fare to go get the card, etc.

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

 

At first I thought Mike Pence passed away, so I did some research on Wikipedia.  It appears he is alive still.

3 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

 

I heard it was something about a lack of courage and death threats but I couldn't hear the full story over all the shouts of Biden being too old.

15 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

You'd have to make the IDs available to every citizen, free of charge, or it's a violation of the 14th amendment. Non-citizens are allowed to get driver's licenses. Hell, many states give them to illegal immigrants. Proof of citizenship right now is only via a Passport.

So no, it's not simple. There are real constitutional questions all around. If you want a Federal law requiring identification, then you need to provide a free federal voting ID card to all citizens. 

It just isn't hard to solve this.  Make the special IDs available to anyone that wants one BUT also allow for driver's licenses to function as well.  You can easily add a mark on the driver's license to denote someone who has citizenship to be able to give non-voters the chance to get a driver's license.  Most eligible voters aren't going to want to carry both IDs so they will only get the driver's license.

You also do not need to have a federal ID card.  All that is needed is a law requiring states to require ID for voting in elections of federal officials AND also requiring states to provide free voting IDs to those citizens requesting them.

So yeah, it truly is very simple it would seem.  However, it shouldn't be a priority for the reasons we've already laid out imho.

What am I missing?

11 minutes ago, paco said:

At first I thought Mike Pence passed away, so I did some research on Wikipedia.  It appears he is alive still.

i heard the trump camp really got hung up on this decision. 

Simple solution: replace elections with lotteries. Just like how we pick juries.

#ProblemSolved

Is anyone in either party really making an effort to require voter ID? I just figured it was more BS frothing at the mouth so magats didn’t have to admit they lost.

 

Spoiler

 

9 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

Is anyone in either party really making an effort to require voter ID? I just figured it was more BS frothing at the mouth so magats didn’t have to admit they lost.

There's a bill being voted on soon in the House, the SAVE act. I haven't read it, but reportedly it would require proof of citizenship to register to vote in federal elections. I'm not sure how that bill addresses existing registered voters. Voter ID would be the next logical step though.

18 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

It just isn't hard to solve this.  Make the special IDs available to anyone that wants one BUT also allow for driver's licenses to function as well.  You can easily add a mark on the driver's license to denote someone who has citizenship to be able to give non-voters the chance to get a driver's license.  Most eligible voters aren't going to want to carry both IDs so they will only get the driver's license.

You also do not need to have a federal ID card.  All that is needed is a law requiring states to require ID for voting in elections of federal officials AND also requiring states to provide free voting IDs to those citizens requesting them.

So yeah, it truly is very simple it would seem.  However, it shouldn't be a priority for the reasons we've already laid out imho.

What am I missing?

For starters, you are missing that there is nothing to solve, as there is zero evidence of widespread voter fraud of any kind. So all of this is spending billions of dollars to solve a non-existent problem.

Second, you want every state DMV to be required to check citizenship status to "add a mark" for people who are citizens? Great, how will they do this? And if they get it wrong and give one to a non-citizen, who is liable? Oh, and under that effing authority is the Federal Government putting a mandate on state DMVs???? Nice job massively expanding Federal power and violating the 10th Amendment to the Constitution. 

Third, first time voters...HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME FORM OF IDENTIFICATION. Under the Help America Vote Act:

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HAVA requires that first-time voters who registered by mail, and have not previously voted in a federal election in the State, to present a form of identification to the appropriate State or local election official before or on election day. The ID may be either a current and valid photo identification or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter. Voters who submitted any of these forms of identification during registration are exempt, as are voters entitled to vote by absentee ballot under the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act. The ID requirement applies to in person and vote by mail voters. In the case of a vote by mail voter, a copy of the ID must be submitted with the ballot. A State may enact further ID requirements which aren't specified under HAVA.

 

If you want to force every voter to show an ID to vote every time, then it needs to be (i) free in order to avoid violation of the 24th Amendment and (ii) issued by the Federal Government in order to respect the 10th Amendment.

So what you're missing is that we have a Constitution.

 

4 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

You would be surprised by the amount of people that come in looking for a " job" that can't be hired because they don't have IDs in low income communities. Or the amount of people that play the skills games and have to pest our customers for their ID to cash out. 

I believe it. If the government passed the laws about ID and deposits at the bank they need to make them available to everyone. The same with flying or whatever even though that doesn't impact most lower income people. Again, they spend money on a lot of stupid things. Free IDs at any DMV and have mobile units. It can be done.

8 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 

  Kuato remains undefeated

You make it a requirement and the parties will solve the issue tomorrow.  They can go door to door to register voters and harvest their ballots they can ensure they have government issued photo ID, and help them get one if they don't.  This simple step to help restore some confidence in the integrity of our elections is a no brainer.

18 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

There's a bill being voted on soon in the House, the SAVE act. I haven't read it, but reportedly it would require proof of citizenship to register to vote in federal elections. I'm not sure how that bill addresses existing registered voters. Voter ID would be the next logical step though.

The optics of this are not so great for the reasons this fella points out...

 

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

This simple step to help restore some confidence in the integrity of our elections is a no brainer.