Just now, Diehardfan said:

She missed a golden opportunity to lock PA down, help with questions about supporting Israel,  and having someone young and well spoken on the ticket. 

I know, right? You were this close to voting for a Harris Shapiro ticket!

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

She missed a golden opportunity to lock PA down, help with questions about supporting Israel,  and having someone young and well spoken on the ticket. 

Well, if she loses, Shapiro is the number one Dem candidate in 28.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

She missed a golden opportunity to lock PA down, help with questions about supporting Israel,  and having someone young and well spoken on the ticket. 

The right wing media would be beating the drum on the sexual harassment claim (+ him serving in the IDF).  You would've hated him in a week.

 

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

Kamala is married to a Jewish guy, is she not??

True.  And that takes a lot of the teeth out of the argument Vikas is making.  But there still is a small but loud group on the left that absolutely hated Shapiro because of his religion.  Hopefully, after the election, they can kindly GTFO.

3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

True.  And that takes a lot of the teeth out of the argument Vikas is making.  But there still is a small but loud group on the left that absolutely hated Shapiro because of his religion.  Hopefully, after the election, they can kindly GTFO.

Is he pro-settler colonialism?

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

If Shapiro were actually staunchly pro-Israel, and more importantly pro-Netanyahu, then these arguments would be valid. But he's not. He's Jewish. And the party of inclusiveness just said that's a non-starter. That's horrible.

 

What exactly made him so much better than waltz other than being from Pennsylvania?  I sure as F don't see it.

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

Is he pro-settler colonialism?

Harris' stepdaughter is pro-Palestinian

Just now, dawkins4prez said:

 

What exactly made him so much better than waltz other than being from Pennsylvania?  I sure as F don't see it.

His favorability scores are off the chart, and he massively outperformed Biden in PA. Walz barely outperformed Biden in MN. 

There's no real argument on the data to justify Walz over Shapiro. Shapiro polls much better and is from a crucial swing state. 

You don't see it because you don't want to see it. There's a reason Trump supporters are ecstatic right now.

5 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Is he pro-settler colonialism?

Who?  Shapiro?  I don't F'ing know.  I know he's Jewish and the far left hated him for it though and that's all any normal person knows either.  These in the weeds Israel positions are mastur-bation for the far left.  They're in-a-vacuum positions that don't take the real world into account, since we're not, you know, Israel, so we're not exactly in charge of their policies.  For me personally, Israel's about the 300th most important issue.

7 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

True.  And that takes a lot of the teeth out of the argument Vikas is making.  But there still is a small but loud group on the left that absolutely hated Shapiro because of his religion.  Hopefully, after the election, they can kindly GTFO.

It's a topic that Harris has to be purposefully opaque on and Shapiro was going to bring it to the forefront, not just because he's Jewish, also because he gave protesters a tongue lashing.  He's also a big backer of school vouchers which democrats have soured on big time and will be attacking in their platform.

 

BTW, it's not like this is something Trump can exploit, his base has got at least as many hard core Jew haters.

If he starts dressing like Boss Hogg, I'll like the pick

 

9 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

His favorability scores are off the chart, and he massively outperformed Biden in PA. Walz barely outperformed Biden in MN. 

There's no real argument on the data to justify Walz over Shapiro. Shapiro polls much better and is from a crucial swing state. 

You don't see it because you don't want to see it. There's a reason Trump supporters are ecstatic right now.

I see it perfectly i have been saying over and over again that Shapiro was the data driven choice.  IMHO, Harris will not win on data, she will win by maintaining the excitement from the base and Waltz was the better pick for that.  Overperforming in your state does not automatically translate to being the better pick to complement harris in a national race.  That's myopic as F.

 

 

1 hour ago, Next_Up said:

How about SCOTUS?

If she gets a pick. No one looks ready to retire. Isn't Thomas the oldest? He's making waaaaaay too much money taking bribes. He's not giving that up, you'll have to pry his fingers from the mahogany. 

 1) He has executive experience with strong record of accomplishment for middle class families that models what  Harris wants to do nationally(child tax-credit, junk fee ban, paid leave, gun safety, codifying Roe)

2) Has a bio that will appeal in key Midwestern states that Harris must win

3) Other qualifications that appealed to Kamala: He's a veteran who served in the national guard, football coach, hunter and gun owner and deep connections to rural America

4) He won in a Trump district as a House member

5) Effective messenger and Kamala thinks he will take the fight to Trump-Vance. Source specifically referred to Walz  starting the "weird" campaign on TV

6) Strong personal rapport and confidence in his ability to be a governing partner

  

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

See above. She was counseled that picking Shapiro would turn the DNC into a disaster thanks to the anti-Semitic lunatics.

 

Where are you hearing this? It's been funny in like a sick way watching centrists totally give into cognitive dissonance and spin any pushback against Israel acting like lawless lunatics as "antisemitism."

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

To Robert Kennedy, Jr

23 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I’m at the airport.  I’ll give you a hint which one.

 

By the way, the answer was Quebec City for those playing.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

 There's a reason Trump supporters are ecstatic right now.

Yes, the reason is, they are morons trying to take the heat off of their own horrible VP pick.  MAGA was going to be ecstatic no matter who they picked. 
 
MAGA can bring up the BLM riots, but Walz can point out that he hasn’t agreed to pardon those that were held accountable. And he did activate the MNNG during the Floyd unrest  

MAGA can bring up the antisemitism in the far left, Walz can play the tape of "good people on both sides.”

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

  

 

Where are you hearing this? It's been funny in like a sick way watching centrists totally give into cognitive dissonance and spin any pushback against Israel acting like lawless lunatics as "antisemitism."

From people in the campaign

13 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Who?  Shapiro?  I don't F'ing know.  I know he's Jewish and the far left hated him for it though and that's all any normal person knows either.  These in the weeds Israel positions are mastur-bation for the far left.  They're in-a-vacuum positions that don't take the real world into account, since we're not, you know, Israel, so we're not exactly in charge of their policies.  For me personally, Israel's about the 300th most important issue.

You don’t think giving Israel millions of dollars in aid is significant to American foreign policy?

12 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

I see it perfectly i have been saying over and over again that Shapiro was the data driven choice.  IMHO, Harris will not win on data, she will win by maintaining the excitement from the base and Waltz was the better pick for that.  Overperforming in your state does not automatically translate to being the better pick to complement harris in a national race.  That's myopic as F.

"excitement from the base" is not what she needs to win.  What she needs to win is to pull away enough independents, center, and center-right voters who have already made up their mind that they aren't voting for Trump, and convince them to vote for her ticket as opposed to simply sitting home or voting 3rd party on election day.  I think that picking Shapiro would have been better for accomplishing this goal. 

31 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

If Shapiro were actually staunchly pro-Israel, and more importantly pro-Netanyahu, then these arguments would be valid. But he's not. He's Jewish. And the party of inclusiveness just said that's a non-starter. That's horrible.

And now ask yourself how long moderate Jews can and will stay in a party that views them this way.