10 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

How is he a Chris Christie type?  Christie's problem was his personality and likeability.  He came across as abrasive and at times as a bully, and people didn't like that.  Shapiro is likeable.  Not seeing a comparison to Christie at all. 

Get **** done?  That's his motto?  That sounds like an East Coast big city mayor, something Guiliani could have run on back in the day.  I know its easy to forget in 2024 just how high East Coast moderates were on Christie once upon a time.  I understand he very popular in the type of suburbs Kamala needs but he definitely gives off more a city vibe than Scranton Joe.

1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said:

And you think that's because of the base or because of the sentiment that people not in the base have held which is "we're not voting for Trump, but we're also not voting for 80+year old Biden, just replace him with anyone else". 

 

I think it's both but I know the numbers on the Dem side shot up pretty big because they were finally energized for the first time in a while.  And an energized Democratic Party is as close as you can get to unbeatable in modern presidential elections.  They just have numbers.

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Yeah, not really.  And this is a lazy Kz-type argument

Yes, there is.  Go look at what's been happening around the country with all these "pro palestine" riots and the responses by democrat politicians.  And then go and compare responses by democrat politicians to charlottsville, or any of the right-leaning protests that happened during the pandemic. 

4 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

The dems finally made a good move in getting Biden off the ticket, but they still made a mistake in waiting too long which has led us to this point which is Kamala basically being the defacto nominee.  Even though had a primary actually happened, she wouldn't have come anywhere close to winning.  So they still have a problem to solve.  

Also, I strongly disagree with this.  This process played out perfectly for the Dems.  It made the right toss out 4 years worth of attack lines and start over from scratch, which is kryptonite for the right since they don't really care about their side's positions, they only care about attacking the other side.  Biden's age coming into play when it did forced the Dems to do something that they're too institutional and too scared to do on their own.  They did something unexpected which, in the media cycle we live in now, is a huge benefit.

1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Yes, there is.  Go look at what's been happening around the country with all these "pro palestine" riots and the responses by democrat politicians.  And then go and compare responses by democrat politicians to charlottsville, or any of the right-leaning protests that happened during the pandemic. 

At Charlottesville they were literally chanting "Jews will not replace us.”  That’s a little different than saying Palestine should be a state at some point in the future.  Or are the two the same to you?

2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

I think it's both but I know the numbers on the Dem side shot up pretty big because they were finally energized for the first time in a while.  And an energized Democratic Party is as close as you can get to unbeatable in modern presidential elections.  They just have numbers.

Maybe in an election where the republican nominee was someone like Romney that would matter.  I don't see it in an election in which Donald Trump is the republican nominee.   The base is coming out and pulling the lever for the democratic nominee no matter who it is due to Trump being on the other side of the equation.  

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

Also, I strongly disagree with this.  This process played out perfectly for the Dems.  It made the right toss out 4 years worth of attack lines and start over from scratch, which is kryptonite for the right since they don't really care about their side's positions, they only care about attacking the other side.  Biden's age coming into play when it did forced the Dems to do something that they're too institutional and too scared to do on their own.  They did something unexpected which, in the media cycle we live in now, is a huge benefit.

It was more dumb luck than anything, but it really did work out perfectly that they made the switch after the RNC.

1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Yes, there is.  Go look at what's been happening around the country with all these "pro palestine" riots and the responses by democrat politicians.  And then go and compare responses by democrat politicians to charlottsville, or any of the right-leaning protests that happened during the pandemic. 

so you think neo-NSDAP white supremacist boob hate groups are morally equivalent to a bunch of naive college kids being led around by Russian/Iranian propagandists? That the response should be equivalent? In Charlottesville one of the white supremacists drove his car into the crowd and killed a person. The dopey college kid protestors whined about why their college wasn't feeding them after they occupied a building. It's not the same and to claim hypocrisy of response it to not recognize the difference.  

Friendly reminder on the important work the GOP in the house is focused on.  This will help Americans bigly

 

Just now, Phillyterp85 said:

Maybe in an election where the republican nominee was someone like Romney that would matter.  I don't see it in an election in which Donald Trump is the republican nominee.   The base is coming out and pulling the lever for the democratic nominee no matter who it is due to Trump being on the other side of the equation.  

I mean, they clearly weren't going to do it for Biden. 

This election is coming down to like 100k people in PA, MI and WI. Just like 2016. For this pick to work, Walz needs to basically live in those states and talk to suburban and rural voters non-stop. 

This is you guys in here complaining bout Walz.

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

At Charlottesville they were literally chanting "Jews will not replace us.”  That’s a little different than saying Palestine should be a state at some point in the future.  Or are the two the same to you?

" That’s a little different than saying Palestine should be a state at some point in the future.  Or are the two the same to you?"

LOLOLOL yeah cause that's what's happening at these riots.  Just people peacefully walking up and down the street, saying "hey guys, we think Palestine should be a state at some point in the future".   ffs.............................................

2 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Maybe in an election where the republican nominee was someone like Romney that would matter.  I don't see it in an election in which Donald Trump is the republican nominee.   The base is coming out and pulling the lever for the democratic nominee no matter who it is due to Trump being on the other side of the equation.  

I don't know.  Never underestimate the stupidity and the naivety of the left.

Just now, Dave Moss said:

At Charlottesville they were literally chanting "Jews will not replace us.”  That’s a little different than saying Palestine should be a state at some point in the future.  Or are the two the same to you?

Many of the pro-palestine riots have been every bit as anti-semetic as Charlotsville.  There is absolutely a growing anti-semitism on the left and Shapiro calling them out was 1000% the right thing to do morally AND politically. Did it bite him for VEEP in 2024, sure did.  But I expect him to reap the benefits in the long run.  

9 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Yeah, not really.  And this is a lazy Kz-type argument

wow, what a shocker that you'd deny it. 

3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Also, I strongly disagree with this.  This process played out perfectly for the Dems.  It made the right toss out 4 years worth of attack lines and start over from scratch, which is kryptonite for the right since they don't really care about their side's positions, they only care about attacking the other side.  Biden's age coming into play when it did forced the Dems to do something that they're too institutional and too scared to do on their own.  They did something unexpected which, in the media cycle we live in now, is a huge benefit.

The process would have played out perfectly for the Dems had Biden withdrew prior to the primary and allowed democrat voters the opportunity to actually pick their candidate.   Harris wouldn't have come close to winning the primary.  So she's basically been foisted onto voters by the DNC.  

4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

At Charlottesville they were literally chanting "Jews will not replace us.”  That’s a little different than saying Palestine should be a state at some point in the future.  Or are the two the same to you?

yeah, that's all they were chanting ...... OMG 

 

1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said:

The process would have played out perfectly for the Dems had Biden withdrew prior to the primary and allowed democrat voters the opportunity to actually pick their candidate.   Harris wouldn't have come close to winning the primary.  So she's basically been foisted onto voters by the DNC.  

I disagree.  Like Vikas said, it's dumb luck, but it's dumb luck that favors Dems.  Give the right a year + and they'll have anyone that ever watches right wing media believing the Dem pick is a direct descendant of Stalin.

Just now, Phillyterp85 said:

The process would have played out perfectly for the Dems had Biden withdrew prior to the primary and allowed democrat voters the opportunity to actually pick their candidate.   Harris wouldn't have come close to winning the primary.  So she's basically been foisted onto voters by the DNC.  

I couldn't disagree with this more. First off, an open primary would have been a bloodbath that would have exposed the fissures in the party. You'd have had the progressive wing (Sanders, Warren, etc.) vs. the moderates in a free for all. Whatever candidate that emerged would have been wounded and likely would have to tack back to the middle. Instead, you got euphoria over Biden stepping down and immediate coalescing behind Harris. That never happens after a contested primary (see 2016). The unifying theme for the party was Biden couldn't beat Trump, and once he stepped down, the enthusiasm was there for whoever stepped in.

5 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

The process would have played out perfectly for the Dems had Biden withdrew prior to the primary and allowed democrat voters the opportunity to actually pick their candidate.   Harris wouldn't have come close to winning the primary.  So she's basically been foisted onto voters by the DNC.  

I agree that Biden waited too long.  You wonder though if LBJ stepped down too soon in 1968 

Well Harris loses PA and AZ now, it is almost like the Dems want to lose

3 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Many of the pro-palestine riots have been every bit as anti-semetic as Charlotsville.  There is absolutely a growing anti-semitism on the left and Shapiro calling them out was 1000% the right thing to do morally AND politically. Did it bite him for VEEP in 2024, sure did.  But I expect him to reap the benefits in the long run.  

And it is a bad look to abandon your post in the first term. And he got a national bounce just by being in the discussion until the end. All positives. Just it was not his time to be VP.

Just now, Joe Shades 73 said:

Well Harris loses PA and AZ now, it is almost like the Dems want to lose

how does walz lose PA & AZ? 

 

This has turned into the game day thread when the eagles are down 3 points in the first quarter lol. They lost its over!