August 6, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I couldn't disagree with this more. First off, an open primary would have been a bloodbath that would have exposed the fissures in the party. You'd have had the progressive wing (Sanders, Warren, etc.) vs. the moderates in a free for all. Whatever candidate that emerged would have been wounded and likely would have to tack back to the middle. Instead, you got euphoria over Biden stepping down and immediate coalescing behind Harris. That never happens after a contested primary (see 2016). The unifying theme for the party was Biden couldn't beat Trump, and once he stepped down, the enthusiasm was there for whoever stepped in. Ok so let me ask you this: If Shapiro had won the primary and been the Dem candidate, what are the chances he defeats Trump in the election as compared to Harris's chances? I think the reason we are so focused on who the VP pick is, is due to the reality that Harris isn't popular and is a weak candidate who's basically dependent on the VP to win.
August 6, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said: how does walz lose PA & AZ? He does not lose them, but does nothing to win them, Shapiro would make PA a slam dunk, Kelly would probably put AZ in the win column, if people don't see that Walz does nothing for Harris you just don't want to see it
August 6, 20241 yr 17 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: At Charlottesville they were literally chanting "Jews will not replace us.” That’s a little different than saying Palestine should be a state at some point in the future. Or are the two the same to you? Didn't they deface a statue of Ann Frank, protest outside of concentration camps, and say Hitler didn't go far enough?
August 6, 20241 yr Just now, Phillyterp85 said: Ok so let me ask you this: If Shapiro had won the primary and been the Dem candidate, what are the chances he defeats Trump in the election as compared to Harris's chances? I think the reason we are so focused on who the VP pick is, is due to the reality that Harris isn't popular and is a weak candidate who's basically dependent on the VP to win. It all depends on how bloodied he would be coming out of the primary. Trump would have likely been able to focus on him (or whoever was going to win) shortly after Super Tuesday, especially at the RNC. By waiting until after the RNC to make the switch, the Democrats basically had Trump waste 4 nights of free air time attacking the wrong person. But the other thing at play here is -- the switch basically injected hope and life into a party that was basically admitting defeat. After the debate and the assassination attempt, the Democrats were basically despondent. But once Biden stepped aside, it was like a losing team all of a sudden getting a pick-6 to get back into the game. You couldn't recreate this with anyone who won a contested primary. Giving hope to the hopeless is basically what they did, and it has driven the Harris surge. And Harris has played it well, attacking Trump for being weird, scared to debate, etc.
August 6, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Gannan said: Didn't they deface a statue of Ann Frank, protest outside of concentration camps, and say Hitler didn't go far enough? They were also checking IDs and blocking Jewish students from going to the library and freely moving on campus, heckling them, etc.
August 6, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Ok so let me ask you this: If Shapiro had won the primary and been the Dem candidate, what are the chances he defeats Trump in the election as compared to Harris's chances? I think the reason we are so focused on who the VP pick is, is due to the reality that Harris isn't popular and is a weak candidate who's basically dependent on the VP to win. I actually disagree with this. It could be that she seizing on an atmosphere where people were jsut starving for a younger candidate, but she's also grown as a politician. She's drawing big crowds and connecting with young voters. She's tapped into something. There's just no denying that.
August 6, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Ok so let me ask you this: If Shapiro had won the primary and been the Dem candidate, what are the chances he defeats Trump in the election as compared to Harris's chances? I think the reason we are so focused on who the VP pick is, is due to the reality that Harris isn't popular and is a weak candidate who's basically dependent on the VP to win. Are you not looking at the polls that have Harris gaining momentum and even pulling ahead without a VP? Lol.
August 6, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: This has turned into the game day thread when the eagles are down 3 points in the first quarter lol. They lost its over! It depends what side your on. Biden went 3 and out and was knocked out of the game. Trump scored on his opening drive. Harris got a huge momentum push off-the-bench, quickly tied it up, then scored again off a turnover deep in Trump territory. I got Harris ahead going into the 2nd quarter. A lot of time left.
August 6, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, vikas83 said: It all depends on how bloodied he would be coming out of the primary. Trump would have likely been able to focus on him (or whoever was going to win) shortly after Super Tuesday, especially at the RNC. By waiting until after the RNC to make the switch, the Democrats basically had Trump waste 4 nights of free air time attacking the wrong person. But the other thing at play here is -- the switch basically injected hope and life into a party that was basically admitting defeat. After the debate and the assassination attempt, the Democrats were basically despondent. But once Biden stepped aside, it was like a losing team all of a sudden getting a pick-6 to get back into the game. You couldn't recreate this with anyone who won a contested primary. Giving hope to the hopeless is basically what they did, and it has driven the Harris surge. And Harris has played it well, attacking Trump for being weird, scared to debate, etc. Good points. I just think it's a bit of a wasted opportunity that Harris is the defacto nominee. I think it's still a bit of an uphill battle for her as to me, she doesn't really offer anything and is now relying on the VP pick to pry away independents. To me, if someone like Shapiro or Kelly was the nominee, I think they win in a landslide.
August 6, 20241 yr 15 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said: Are you not looking at the polls that have Harris gaining momentum and even pulling ahead without a VP? Lol. I'm not doubting that Harris is a better nominee than Biden.
August 6, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Good points. I just think it's a bit of a wasted opportunity that Harris is the defacto nominee. I think it's still a bit of an uphill battle for her as to me, she doesn't really offer anything and is now relying on the VP pick to pry away independents. To me, if someone like Shapiro or Kelly was the nominee, I think they win in a landslide. Excuse me? The black vote is fired up. The youth vote is fired up. That's because Kamala is a hard left black woman. You guys are stubborn as F in denying the hard left their dues. Like you want to pretend they don't exist. Moderates never get excited about anything, that's why they're moderates and that's why they never win an election for either party all by themselves.
August 6, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Moderates never get excited about anything, that's why their moderates and that's why they never win an election for either party all by themselves. Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Ronald Reagan would like a word with you...
August 6, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said: Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Ronald Reagan would like a word with you... I was told Obama was a radical Kenyon Socialist
August 6, 20241 yr Just now, Phillyterp85 said: Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Ronald Reagan would like a word with you... No, they want to pat me on the back. Blacks and youth is the same coalition Obama won with, he fired them up. Reagan's secret weapon was the religious right, the same religious right which has fueled Trump.
August 6, 20241 yr 13 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Good points. I just think it's a bit of a wasted opportunity that Harris is the defacto nominee. I think it's still a bit of an uphill battle for her as to me, she doesn't really offer anything and is now relying on the VP pick to pry away independents. To me, if someone like Shapiro or Kelly was the nominee, I think they win in a landslide. I feel like Kamala decided she gets a bigger bump with the progressives from Walz, than trying to attract moderates with Shapiro or Kelly. To me it's not a big difference; it's close no matter who she picks. Moderates don't have a horse in the race.
August 6, 20241 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: Fun fact: I get all my JD Vance news from the Gay Guy Candle Co it's pretty wild that a trump campaign would try to paint the opposition as "chaos".
August 6, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Ronald Reagan would like a word with you... Reagan was not a moderate...at all.
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