6 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

No, they want to pat me on the back.  Blacks and youth is the same coalition Obama won with, he fired them up. Reagan's secret weapon was the religious right, the same religious right which has fueled Trump. 

Black people typically make up 10-13% of the electorate.  Youth typically make up 15-18% of the electorate.  Obama didn't win because he "fired" up those groups.  He won because of how well he did among independents/moderates, middle aged people, and white people, that make up a much larger share of the electorate.  

5 minutes ago, toolg said:

I feel like Kamala decided she gets a bigger bump with the progressives from Walz, than trying to attract moderates with Shapiro or Kelly. To me it's not a big difference; it's close no matter who she picks. Moderates don't have a horse in the race.

I think she would have a better shot at the nevertrumper repubs with Shapiro than Walz

5 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Reagan was not a moderate...at all. 

He would be in this GOP. They'd call him a RINO.

5 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Black people typically make up 10-13% of the electorate.  Youth typically make up 15-18% of the electorate.  Obama didn't win because he "fired" up those groups.  He won because of how well he did among independents/moderates, middle aged people, and white people, that make up a much larger share of the electorate.  

Obama won because the global economy was on the brink of collapse and there was a Republican in the White House. No Republican was winning in 2008.

He won the primary due to enthusiasm among young and minority voters, and because he ran against the worst campaigner in human history. 

David Plouffe on the cable news ciircuit selling the pick and dropping bombs on Trump. Don't sleep on how much this guy is bringing to the table as senior campaign advisor. Dude could sell ice cubes to eskimos. I'd put him up there with Karl Rove as one of the great political minds of our time. 

1 minute ago, Gannan said:

Reagan was not a moderate...at all. 

EMTALA, expanding the EITC, Lifeline program, amnesty for illegal immigrants, etc... He did a lot of things in office that are favored by the other side of the aisle.  

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

He would be in this GOP. They'd call him a RINO.

Because it isn't about issues anymore for them. They are actually cheering for communist ghost cities and higher taxes. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Obama won because the global economy was on the brink of collapse and there was a Republican in the White House. No Republican was winning in 2008.

He won the primary due to enthusiasm among young and minority voters, and because he ran against the worst campaigner in human history. 

Ha yes that is true about 2008.  Forgot about that whole little ol global recession thingy...

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I think she would have a better shot at the nevertrumper repubs with Shapiro than Walz

Maybe. But can she count on them to vote for her? I am not so sure. She took a gamble on the progressives in her own party instead.

1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said:

EMTALA, expanding the EITC, Lifeline program, amnesty for illegal immigrants, etc... He did a lot of things in office that are favored by the other side of the aisle.  

His economic policies were more extreme than any president we've ever had. 

I'll add I don't think Walz was a bad pick.  I just think Shapiro would have been better.  I think there are benefits that both of them bring.  I think either of them is certainly better than say Buttigieg. 

I really don't think Walz is progressive to the point he's going to scare away moderates though. Walz to Shapiro isn't exactly a Bernie to Biden type comparison. 

I agree if their strategy was "energize to youths" that's a failing strategy. And the Dems are definitely dumb enough to try something like that. But I think they simply viewed Walz as the safer pick. He's a likable Midwest frumpy white dude with lots of experience and a strong military background. 

1 hour ago, Dave Moss said:

So if Kamala wins, Emhoff would become the first Jewish spouse of a president.  But people are also butt-hurt the VP isn’t Jewish?  Give me a break, dude.

You know how when one side brings up Hunter's baggage and the other side says "Well that's it, I'm not voting for Hunter!"

 

It's kind of like that.

1 hour ago, Dave Moss said:

At Charlottesville they were literally chanting "Jews will not replace us.”  That’s a little different than saying Palestine should be a state at some point in the future.  Or are the two the same to you?

The pigs in Charlottesville are the same as the pigs spray painting HAMAS on monuments.  

7 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I really don't think Walz is progressive to the point he's going to scare away moderates though. Walz to Shapiro isn't exactly a Bernie to Biden type comparison. 

I agree if their strategy was "energize to youths" that's a failing strategy. And the Dems are definitely dumb enough to try something like that. But I think they simply viewed Walz as the safer pick. He's a likable Midwest frumpy white dude with lots of experience and a strong military background. 

I agree. Despite his progressive politics, he has more street appeal to a middle-of-the-road American voter: former military, teacher, football coach; his family values; etc.  Shapiro comes off as more coastal elite.

Keep the family out of it....remember the reeing whenever someone mentioned Baron? Pepperidge farm remembers 

 

Um... looks like a nice family.  Doesn't quite hit like pics of Woody Kaine's mugshot.

2 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

The right wing media would be beating the drum on the sexual harassment claim (+ him serving in the IDF).  You would've hated him in a week.

I love people who serve. The IDF is no exception. 

I like Clinton who had a ton. Plus that's not a card the GOP should play.

26 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

I'll add I don't think Walz was a bad pick.  I just think Shapiro would have been better.

That's where I am. I don't think Walz is a drag on the ticket like Vance is on his. Just not a strategic pick. They went safe. He's certainly better than Tim Kaine. Nobody is happier about the Vance pick than that guy. He's no longer the absolute worst veep pick in history. 

4 minutes ago, Tweek said:

Keep the family out of it....remember the reeing whenever someone mentioned Baron? Pepperidge farm remembers 

 

Isn't that the guy that was caught creating fake profiles?

32 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Obama won because the global economy was on the brink of collapse and there was a Republican in the White House. No Republican was winning in 2008.

He won the primary due to enthusiasm among young and minority voters, and because he ran against the worst campaigner in human history. 

I think that's underselling Obama and the coalition he built that's won all 3 elections they ran it and now has Harris in a good spot.  

2 hours ago, barho said:

Well, if she loses, Shapiro is the number one Dem candidate in 28.

Agree. It's actually to his benefit of she does.

2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I know, right? You were this close to voting for a Harris Shapiro ticket!

Nope hahha but for her it was a missed opportunity. I think you know that.  Doesn't mean she made a bad pick. 

If she loses it won't matter who the dem candidate is in 2028. Does anyone remember the people who ran against Putin? The ones who weren't poisoned ?