11 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

isn't misoprostol just south of aleppo?    

sounds more like one of those towns in eastern Ukraine

58 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

I’m saying that aside from having higher hurdles to get over, both parties have teams a seasoned staff that go over election paperwork with a fine tooth comb. 

agreed, i get that and you get that, but kennedy should've as well and he & his people dropped the ball. 

8 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

agreed, i get that and you get that, but kennedy should've as well and he & his people dropped the ball. 

No doubt someone on his team dropped the ball. If there is legit fraud then they should hammer them, but most of the time it is simple mistakes that have no bearing on the election. I couldn’t care less about Kennedy or any other rich entitled a-hole, but it really drives up the costs of running for office and hurts the "small guy.” Getting on the ballot comes down to who can afford to pay for professional petition canvassers, and people to help fight challenges. 

52 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I'll bite while we wait for Vikas.  To put it simply, Trump was doing all the work for Putin by weakening NATO, etc. so Putin wisely fed Trump and chose to bide his time.

And you're still going with that one?

6 minutes ago, Procus said:

And you're still going with that one?

yes, he's going with reality. it's one of the very few promises that trump kept. unlike the wall, getting rid of obamacare, infrastructure deal, better trade deal etc. etc. 

9 minutes ago, Procus said:

And you're still going with that one?

In your mind what exactly did Trump do that "scared" Putin? Because Trump doesn't even want to provide aid to Ukraine.

I truly don't get the reasoning behind this argument. Putin didn't invade Ukraine because he was afraid of the person who constantly gargles his ballbag and who heads the political party that wants to cut funding for his enemies?  Is that really a genuine argument y'all are trying to make?

Just now, DEagle7 said:

I truly don't get the reasoning behind this argument. Putin didn't invade Ukraine because he was afraid of the person who constantly gargles his ballbag and who heads the political party that wants to cut funding for his enemies?  Is that really a genuine argument y'all are trying to make?

Also, what are they saying Trump is going to do that the current administration hasn't done? Directly attack Russia?

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I truly don't get the reasoning behind this argument. Putin didn't invade Ukraine because he was afraid of the person who constantly gargles his ballbag and who heads the political party that wants to cut funding for his enemies?  Is that really a genuine argument y'all are trying to make?

5D level thinking. 

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I truly don't get the reasoning behind this argument. Putin didn't invade Ukraine because he was afraid of the person who constantly gargles his ballbag and who heads the political party that wants to cut funding for his enemies?  Is that really a genuine argument y'all are trying to make?

I'm not sure that I'd call it an argument at all.  It's just a singular data point that they've clung to because they can't actually say out loud that the Trump plan with Ukraine is to turn it over to Russia.

9 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Also, what are they saying Trump is going to do that the current administration hasn't done? Directly attack Russia?

Tariffs! 

10 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Also, what are they saying Trump is going to do that the current administration hasn't done? Directly attack Russia?

Way!

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

I'll bite while we wait for Vikas.  To put it simply, Trump was doing all the work for Putin by weakening NATO, etc. so Putin wisely fed Trump and chose to bide his time.

Lol it's still so stupid, every time I hear it

"Don't attack while your enemy is weak. No, wait until they are strong again. Then attack"

-Sun Tzus retarded TDS cousin

1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said:

It really is this simple. 

Simple is definitely one word for it.

21 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

yes, he's going with reality. it's one of the very few promises that trump kept. unlike the wall, getting rid of obamacare, infrastructure deal, better trade deal etc. etc. 

Trump weakened NATO by actually holding other nations accountable for their own responsibilities.  And it was so weak Putin waited until 1 year into Bidens term to invade.

 

Makes sense!

33 minutes ago, Procus said:

And you're still going with that one?

I'm doing my best to lay it out as simply as possible for you

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Lol it's still so stupid, every time I hear it

"Don't attack while your enemy is weak. No, wait until they are strong again. Then attack"

-Sun Tzus retarded TDS cousin

Well, that's not what I said.  Read it again.

22 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Trump weakened NATO by actually holding other nations accountable for their own responsibilities.  And it was so weak Putin waited until 1 year into Bidens term to invade.

 

Makes sense!

NATO spending by Europe's gone up far more under Biden than it ever did under Trump.  He didn't hold anyone accountable for anything.  He just emboldened Putin by trashing our allies.

Quote

A record 23 NATO countries out of 32 are hitting the alliance's 2 percent defense spending target, according to the latest NATO statistics released late Monday.

Germany, the Netherlands, Norway and Turkey are among those that reached the 2 percent figure for the first time.

"Across Europe and Canada, NATO allies are, this year, increasing defense spending by 18 percent," NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said standing next to U.S. President Joe Biden at the White House on Monday. "That’s the biggest increase in decades."

The fact 23 countries meet the target — which was set 10 years ago — makes it "more than twice as many as four years ago, and demonstrates that European allies and Canada are really stepping up and taking their share of the common responsibility to protect all of us in the NATO alliance."

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/defense-spending-target-nato-joe-biden-jens-stoltenberg/

17 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Lol it's still so stupid, every time I hear it

"Don't attack while your enemy is weak. No, wait until they are strong again. Then attack"

-Sun Tzus retarded TDS cousin

Putin's miscalcualtion was that he thought he had weakened the US and NATo's ability to band together for common cause and actually make collective sacrifices to stop him. He didn't need Trump or Biden to be POTUS, he just need the country and the alliance to be at each others throats and not agree on anything.  He can't launch that offensive in Ukraine without years of preparation during Trump's and even Obama's terms.  He doesn't give a rat's arse about any democratic elected leader, he thinks they are all weak with no mandate to do hard things.

27 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Lol it's still so stupid, every time I hear it

"Don't attack while your enemy is weak. No, wait until they are strong again. Then attack"

-Sun Tzus retarded TDS cousin

I remember when Putin was stacking troops on the border and all you Trumpbots said Biden was lying when he said Putin was going to invade.

Obama did nothing when Putin invaded, so Putin was gambling that Biden would react the same way.

2 minutes ago, Gannan said:

I remember when Putin was stacking troops on the border and all you Trumpbots said Biden was lying when he said Putin was going to invade.

Obama did nothing when Putin invaded, so Putin was gambling that Biden would react the same way.

Trumpbots are still pissed that Biden responded with strength when Putin crossed the line.  They were hoping he would pull an Obama but instead he rallied the world and has backed Ukraine despite their opposition.  They really just wanted to call him weak but they had to shift gears to now hoping Ukraine falls.  Thankfully they still haven't gotten their wish.

28 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Trump weakened NATO by actually holding other nations accountable for their own responsibilities.  And it was so weak Putin waited until 1 year into Bidens term to invade.

 

Makes sense!

you really need to stop drinking the kool-aid. it's ok to say trump didn't do something right. you won't turn trans. 

11 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Putin's miscalcualtion was that he thought he had weakened the US and NATo's ability to band together for common cause and actually make collective sacrifices to stop him.

 

3 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Obama did nothing when Putin invaded, so Putin was gambling that Biden would react the same way.

 

The longer Trump was POTUS the weaker the NATO alliance became.  When Trump lost it was time for Putin to put his plan in motion as NATO was at its weakest point.  One year later after the buildup they invaded the Ukraine.  It isn't hard to decipher the timeline.

Always fun to rehash the exact same circular arguments from 3 years ago, almost word for word

My cousin whom I'm very close with, but is a hard core Trumper goes with a "this is all America's fault" when we discuss Ukraine. When we talked about it, he said because of our NATO expansion we forced Putin's hand. Putin is only protecting his national security interests against American aggression and NATO expansion. It's bizarre hearing this argument from someone (who I really do love) who voted for W. twice and once told me that the Iraq war was not only justified but a brilliant measure to protect our national security interests and assert our military dominance. 

His argument is that this wouldn't have happened if the democrats had not stolen the 202 election because Trump would have dissolved NATO making the invasion of Ukraine unnecessary. It's a chilling and bizarre take.