5 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Good point.  She said to "throw" the Dems on one side, presumably out west, then the Conservatives can have the midwest and the entire east, so I guess that leaves MAGA in Alaska.  Actually, I think that works for me.

well, i claim Michigan !!!!!!!! 

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

well, i claim Michigan !!!!!!!! 

Yours. No one wants it

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

Yours. No one wants it

i only want it for the fishing and hunting. 

2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i only want it for the fishing and hunting. 

And the weed

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

Imagine how low your T levels have to be to be impressed by this:

Slay queen!  

I didn't watch it, so I have to admit, these posts had me wondering:

 

18 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

AOC on,  this girl  has grown up a LOT since when she started.

 

18 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

*swoon* 😍

 

18 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

G'dayum AOC is killing it, this could be one of those launch speeches that takes her to another stratosphere.

 

 

But now I know I should have trusted my gut in the first place.

16 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

I understand, man. It's tough but skilled workers in IT normally do not stay unemployed long. I'm wishing you all the best for a short search.

I appreciate that. This time may be different, though. The market is flooded right now at the lower levels, and people aren't looking to take on big salaries for  executives. I was blessed; I feel bad for people like one from my old team who found a new job and may lose it on maternity leave because their new company is letting people go as well. Intel and Cisco just threw another 21k people into the pool. It will be better than 2023, but they aren't good when around 400k have lost jobs in the last two. I don't think either side can do much to change it right now. 

Again, I appreciate the well wishes. 

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

And the weed

well, it'd be my state so yeah. 

58 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

Your optimistic self is consistent in all things. Tech is not a train wreck. Job growth within the tech sector is still growing faster than other sectors. There is a huge investment going into the AI technology transition that will both help and hurt other sectors of the economy and the one ailing area is startup capital because money is expensive right now -- for all sectors but tech startups rely more on this than most. I think polling people who were recently let go might skew the results one way, possibly.

Dude, tech is getting absolutely crushed.  I'm in tech consulting and there is nothing out there right now.  We lost a ton of great people over the past 10 months.

In hindsight, maybe don't learn to code...

44 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Because you know someone who is looking for a job? Come on, man.

Tech is extremely volatile right now due to AI.  Companies are spending very little right now in IT and I can confidently say that not because "I know someone looking for a job", but because I browse the job postings in our internal professional marketplace and there is practically nothing.  In my 23 years*, it's the leanest I've seen and thats including after the 2008-2009 great recession.  

 

*I started during the post dot com bubble, but since I was green as hell and I'm not in a position to compare.

2 minutes ago, paco said:

Dude, tech is getting absolutely crushed.  I'm in tech consulting and there is nothing out there right now.  We lost a ton of great people over the past 10 months.

Sure, but you have to admin 2020-2021 was NUTS. Not sure if new jobs were being created or everyone was just jumping for massive raises.

3 minutes ago, paco said:

Dude, tech is getting absolutely crushed.  I'm in tech consulting and there is nothing out there right now.  We lost a ton of great people over the past 10 months.

Now what are all those laid-off journalists who learned to code supposed to do?  It's curious about tech being down (I'm not arguing it's not, I've read that it is) because the one manufacturing sector still going strong is data centers.  Google and Facebook are eating up capacity at every major electrical manufacturer to build the clous storage centers as quickly as they possibly can. 

2 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

look at sloth, so triggered and laboring under the delusion that his approval is needed. 

i love this place. 

 

 

Laboring......

 

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

In hindsight, maybe don't learn to code...

Learn to Gender Study

Just now, paco said:

Tech is extremely volatile right now due to AI.  Companies are spending very little right now in IT and I can confidently say that not because "I know someone looking for a job", but because I browse the job postings in our internal professional marketplace and there is practically nothing.  In my 23 years*, it's the leanest I've seen and thats including after the 2008-2009 great recession.  

 

*I started during the post dot com bubble, but since I was green as hell and I'm not in a position to compare.

This is nothing new. Hardware/Network/Environment guys have been suffering for decades through virtualization and cloud computing while the devs were almost always safe. The pendulum has swung since there's not much more juice to squeeze on the hardware side (maybe Docker and K8?) and now AI is making development more efficient. Again, nature of the beast.

2 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Sure, but you have to admin 2020-2021 was NUTS. Not sure if new jobs were being created or everyone was just jumping for massive raises.

Oh yeah, absolutely.  We had no bench back then and were hiring just to keep up with client demand.  If you could spell python on the second try, you could get hired somewhere.  There are tons of stories about coders working two jobs to maximize income over shorter working sprints to do more travel.

 

Now?  Employers have the upper hand.  I think it may have been google (please don't quote me on that) that I read a story a few months back about their newest hiring practice for developers: Prospective employees are given a few days to come up with a working POC that would be difficult to do in a couple of weeks.  And even if they succeeded it still might not mean employment.  

Just now, paco said:

Oh yeah, absolutely.  We had no bench back then and were hiring just to keep up with client demand.  If you could spell python on the second try, you could get hired somewhere.  There are tons of stories about coders working two jobs to maximize income over shorter working sprints to do more travel.

Yeah, I knew when I started reading about people working 2-3 IT jobs at a time that they would screw us all.

6 hours ago, Next_Up said:

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/education/it-and-tech/tech-industry-statistics-and-facts/

Maybe the folks being let go are dead wood. Its a dynamic sector. The Devs about to lose their jobs are the ones not embracing the multiplier affect of AI for their work. The creative ones will be in great demand. The code sloggers will not. It happened with accounting as well with the rise of online tax filing programs. Their is always change going on, it doesn't mean the sector is tanking. It means that it is highly competitive.

Look, I get what you're saying, but I think it was a pretty poor choice of words and cold as F to use dead wood. 400k people in 2 years is a lot of "dead wood". Innovation is part of it, but poor decisions from those in leadership also impact the rest of us. Yeah, I called you a POS, and I own that even if I edited it. To answer your PM, it was a POS move to say that to someone who lost their job along with some other talented executives at my last company (who are much better than me) because of inept moves by a CEO are dead wood. I still have a conscience and feel bad about making it personal. Saying something BS doesn't make you a POS,  that hit close to home, so I'm sorry for that. 

41 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Dead wood? I can't remember getting personal with someone in a long time but GO F YOURSELF 

Dead wood was an insensitive way to phrase it. My apologies. A pre-federal interest rate rise over hiring coupled with AI staffing projections would be more accurate, IMO.

18 minutes ago, paco said:

I didn't watch it, so I have to admit, these posts had me wondering:

 

 

 

 

 

But now I know I should have trusted my gut in the first place.

 

She cute.

37 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

wait, so where are the never trumper's going? the mid-west? i mean she said conservatives. 

I feel insulted that she grouped conservatives in with the maga cult

2 hours ago, Kz! said:

I mean, yeah. 

Fast forward to November

 

1 hour ago, MidMoFo said:

 

Bobert is a literal hooker high school drop out who F'd her boss to get ahead then started giving handies to randos once she was elected...they adore her. 

2 hours ago, Kz! said:

Oh no, I sure hope these ladies don't read CVON or that might switch their vote to Harris because someone called her a ho.  

That video is about as real as your sex life.  Staged and faked, like the "assassination attempt". Not surprised you'd fall for it. 

48 minutes ago, paco said:

I didn't watch it, so I have to admit, these posts had me wondering:

 

19 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

AOC on,  this girl  has grown up a LOT since when she started.

 

19 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

*swoon* 😍

 

19 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

G'dayum AOC is killing it, this could be one of those launch speeches that takes her to another stratosphere.

 

 

But now I know I should have trusted my gut in the first place.

AOC has appeal and a bright future, but I think her lane is as a party whip or attack dog -- figuratively speaking, of course.  I don't get leadership vibes from her or the ability to bring different backgrounds or ideologies together.  She is still young, though (politically)