August 21, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: 30 minutes and not a single shtlib quoted or addressed this - F'n pssy ass coward btches Nice to see you take a break from rubbing one out to videos of Trump playing golf to provide the usual substantive discourse that we've come to expect from you.
August 21, 20241 yr 27 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I voted Libertarian in 2016 and 2020, but the candidate this time seems pretty weak. I also debated writing in Romney. But...Trump needs to be obliterated. The only way to save the GOP is to destroy MAGA. Since your vote doesn't matter and you want to make a statement, join me.
August 21, 20241 yr Just now, paco said: Since your vote doesn't matter and you want to make a statement, join me. underrated comedy. soooo many great quotes!
August 21, 20241 yr 28 minutes ago, vikas83 said: My parents live in PA. My mom is a lifelong Republican, but she has voted against Trump each time. My dad is a super liberal, and volunteered on Biden's first Senate campaign.
August 21, 20241 yr 49 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: As much as it helps soothe your mental anguish, Obama was probably the biggest driving force behind Trump getting elected Not everyone has the "HOPE" poster hanging above their bed. Have you seen the people attending Trump rallies? A faltering education system in rural America was the driving force. And bigots -- don't forget the bigots.
August 21, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, paco said: Out of curiosity, as someone who disagrees with most of Harris's "policies", why the assumption that there would be minimal overlap between hers and Obamas? I would imagine the Venn Diagram would have very little that isn't overlapping and you just opened the door to dictatorships that the left has been screeching about for 2 months now. And no on GWB for that same reason. I assume there would be near universal overlap in policy, though Obama may not be quite as liberal. The point is I'd take Obama over either of the current options, and certainly over someone who is a wannabe dictator and an imbecile with the potential to cause irreparable harm to the country. The thought experiment is if either Obama or GWB were eligible. I don't want the 22nd amendment repealed.
August 21, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, paco said: The first election they voted in was 1984 - mom became a citizen in 1982, dad in 1983. Dad likes to say he was the only person in DE to vote for Mondale.
August 21, 20241 yr Anyone with an IQ in even the double digits knew that those job reports were complete BS, but all the lemmings in here still crowed about them every month Now they can't handle being shown how stupid they were to be duped yet again
August 21, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I assume there would be near universal overlap in policy, though Obama may not be quite as liberal. The point is I'd take Obama over either of the current options, and certainly over someone who is a wannabe dictator and an imbecile with the potential to cause irreparable harm to the country. The thought experiment is if either Obama or GWB were eligible. I don't want the 22nd amendment repealed. Ok, if we are talking about a theoretical 2nd term, sure. Either one. We've had absolute s*** to choose from the past 3 elections
August 21, 20241 yr 20 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Trumpbots should take it as a wake-up call that Trump is so detestable, conservatives like vikas, Bill, and toastjenkins are voting for Kamala F'in Harris. They won't, of course, because they're in a cult and incredibly stupid to boot, but they should. Yes but look how powerful he is! What a pandering simp and for what. A moronic con man.
August 21, 20241 yr Yeah, things like this don't help your guy, MAGA. What a combination of morons and criminals.
August 21, 20241 yr 29 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Trumpbots should take it as a wake-up call that Trump is so detestable, conservatives like vikas, Bill, and toastjenkins are voting for Kamala F'in Harris. They won't, of course, because they're in a cult and incredibly stupid to boot, but they should. I honestly don’t know if the Republican Party still exists. It’s been taken over by MAGA. Wonder if they will ever be able to take it back.
August 21, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, Alphagrand said: Have you seen the people attending Trump rallies? A faltering education system in rural America was the driving force. And bigots -- don't forget the bigots. Man, can you see the testosterone flowing through that crowd? This dude clearly lifts.
August 21, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Mike31mt said: DNC a microcosm of the entire party. Inside, everyone having fun, singing songs and rubbing elbows with celebrities. Yaaay if you vote Democrat you're a cool kid! Outside: The only consolation if Trump actually manages to win, is how miserable he will make that collection of arse hats.
August 21, 20241 yr 51 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said: I honestly don’t know if the Republican Party still exists. It’s been taken over by MAGA. Wonder if they will ever be able to take it back. Trump isn't going to be around forever. He is pushing 80 years old. It is a good thought experiment to wonder what happens to the Republican Party and MAGA when the cult leader is gone. Can MAGA survive without Trump? Or will the cult crumble? Can the party resurrect itself over the ashes of MAGA? Who fills the vacuum?
August 21, 20241 yr Just now, toolg said: Trump isn't going to be around forever. He is pushing 80 years old. It is a good thought experiment to wonder what happens to the Republican Party and MAGA when the cult leader is gone. Can MAGA survive without Trump? Or will the cult crumble? Can the party resurrect itself over the ashes of MAGA? Who fills the vacuum? The "thinking" behind the Vance pick was to find someone who could carry on the MAGA movement after Trump. It was a ridiculously cocky move made when it seemed like victory over Biden was assured. They clearly did next to no vetting (which isn't surprising from a collection of lazy morons), and now it is blowing up spectacularly in their faces. If they lose, Vance's career is over, and Trump will 100% blame him for the loss. I'd like to think that when the leader dies, the cult will crumble. But MAGA has really taken over the apparatus of the party and chased traditional conservatives out of the party completely. In order for things to go back, Trump needs to not just lose but be obliterated. They need to see him as a loser.
August 21, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, paco said: Out of curiosity, as someone who disagrees with most of Harris's "policies", why the assumption that there would be minimal overlap between hers and Obamas? I would imagine the Venn Diagram would have very little that isn't overlapping and you just opened the door to dictatorships that the left has been screeching about for 2 months now. And no on GWB for that same reason. IMO it seems like most of POTUS’s job is foreign affairs, whereas most people tend to vote as if POTUS is largely the driver of domestic affairs, when really it’s Congress that does that. (Obviously, it’s not as if POTUS has nothing to do with domestic affairs and Congress has nothing to do with foreign affairs, but each branch has more of one on their plate.) From a foreign policy standpoint, obviously Trumps was a dumpster fire, but Obama’s was simply not good. For awhile there Trump pretty much had a first class foreign policy team (I mean Mattis as SecDef and McMaster as Chairman of the NSC were amazing in principle), but instead of driving policy anyone on Trumps team who were good spent their time trying to corral him and point him in the right direction. I mean Kelly had to sell Trump on the idea that increased diplomacy with NK would make him seem like "the greatest businessman deal maker ever” in order to get him to do it. The inverse of that is the Obama foreign policy team. He listened to them, but they weren’t good. Clinton and Obama I don’t think got the concept of why the US needs to be sitting on the wall. Granted with Obama, he came after Bush, who’s team thought our job was to be on the other side of the wall all the time, with grandiose and stupid idea that we would be able to evict every a—hat in the worst part of town. So, coming in when everyone is war weary, for good reason, means the course correction went too far the other way. In terms of Biden’s team, Blinken and Austin are honestly pretty good, but the main cheerleader of US foreign policy is Sullivan, who has no business being anywhere near any room where foreign policy decisions are being made, let alone being Chairman of the NSC. So the one thing about Harris that I’m hearing that actually makes me feel good is that she’s rejecting the foreign policy cheerleaders from Obama and Biden and looking to go in a better direction. I’ve long thought that authoritarian dictators are just leaders of criminal enterprises that see themselves as political leaders, rather than political leaders that do some crime on the side, thus if you can get someone to see foreign policy and the US sitting on the wall in the same vein as, say, a former prosecutor, then I think we may be onto something.
August 21, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I'd like to think that when the leader dies, the cult will crumble. But MAGA has really taken over the apparatus of the party and chased traditional conservatives out of the party completely. In order for things to go back, Trump needs to not just lose but be obliterated. They need to see him as a loser. I don't even know if that works. The party apparatus will see MAGA is a loser and want to turn it around. But so much of the party apparatus was replaced by MAGA loyalists. MAGA doesn't care if they lose. They just refuse to accept the outcome. Where does it even start to unravel? Vance is such an opportunist. He hitched himself to MAGA because that was his best chance for his own self-promotion. If MAGA doesn't work out he is going to weasel into something else.
August 21, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: 2 Communists and 2 professional trolls. Real A-Team they're putting together. well, when you went through cabinet members like diapers after a big mac bender, this is what you're left with.
August 21, 20241 yr 22 minutes ago, vikas83 said: The "thinking" behind the Vance pick was to find someone who could carry on the MAGA movement after Trump. It was a ridiculously cocky move made when it seemed like victory over Biden was assured. They clearly did next to no vetting (which isn't surprising from a collection of lazy morons), and now it is blowing up spectacularly in their faces. If they lose, Vance's career is over, and Trump will 100% blame him for the loss. I'd like to think that when the leader dies, the cult will crumble. But MAGA has really taken over the apparatus of the party and chased traditional conservatives out of the party completely. In order for things to go back, Trump needs to not just lose but be obliterated. They need to see him as a loser. If MAGA existed without Trump and his disciples now, it might be much more popular. I believe in a lot of those policies which is why I voted for Trump. I just wish there was someone more presidential who could rally people for the right reasons.
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