1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

I can tell feelings were hurt today when I rained on the parade by telling you guys trump would not actually be backing out of the debate. I knew it would happen. So many unhinged betas in here. 

Your track record at prognosticating isn't as good as you believe.

24 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

a guy on the internet constantly puffing out his saggy teets and proclaiming that others are betas is awesome stuff. i really hope we continue to be dazzled.

 

Saying the word beta is like shining the bat symbol in to the sky in here. You come running.

4 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Your track record at prognosticating isn't as good as you believe.

another one!

MAGA is full of trolls. 

 

 

32 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Cause Joe never used notes during press conferences. I'm not saying they should never have notes, but during a debate? Not a fan of that. The point is to learn more about how they think, not only hearing talking points. 

They all do rehearsed talking points in debates. Being able to memorize things better than the other candidate doesn't move the bar for me. 

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Saying the word beta is like shining the bat symbol in to the sky in here. You come running.

suuuuuuurrre it is gramps. sure it is. 

5 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

MAGA is full of trolls. 

LOL you guys are going bananas over crowd size and weird trolling like its the greatest thing since Richard Simmons workouts. Can you say hypocrite?

2 minutes ago, Gannan said:

They all do rehearsed talking points in debates. Being able to memorize things better than the other candidate doesn't move the bar for me. 

Well, we'll differ on this then. Yeah, they are all rehearsed, hence the practice, but I don't want someone who needs to take notes to keep their place. As Vikas said, they can write down anything they want when they walk in on that blank pad or during the debate. That happens, and it's okay. Outside of Harris, I can't remember any campaign asking for notes, but it could have happened. It's not a huge deal, but I'm not a fan of it. 

19 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

MAGA is full of trolls. 

I think both sides act like sports fans talking crap about each other, mocking each other, hating each other, with both thinking they are guaranteed to win.  Is one worse than the other? If that makes people feel better, pick a side and say yes, but that's irrelevant to me. 

I'll admit I've been part of that in years past, and I was wrong. I'm not in the middle now either, but I'm voting for Democrats on the state and local level and leaving the top of the ticket blank, so I'm not 100% GOP. I come on here and see it on one side, shake my head, and go on a conservative board and see it the other way, which also makes me shake my head. I like the people on here more, though. Most are really good people that I like, even when I disagree.

8 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Well, we'll differ on this then. Yeah, they are all rehearsed, hence the practice, but I don't want someone who needs to take notes to keep their place. As Vikas said, they can write down anything they want when they walk in on that blank pad or during the debate. That happens, and it's okay. Outside of Harris, I can't remember any campaign asking for notes, but it could have happened. It's not a huge deal, but I'm not a fan of it. 

Al Gore was great at memorizing facts and figures in the debates. He lost. Hillary Clinton was extremely good at it as well. She lost. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you didn't vote for either of them. 

14 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

LOL you guys are going bananas over crowd size and weird trolling like its the greatest thing since Richard Simmons workouts. Can you say hypocrite?

No one is going bananas or weird trolling. 

 

the old man is cooked. 

In retrospect I understand now that some of my whale posts were a bit silly.

27 minutes ago, Gannan said:

They all do rehearsed talking points in debates. Being able to memorize things better than the other candidate doesn't move the bar for me. 

Especially when one of the candidates can’t open their mouth without lying. 

17 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Al Gore was great at memorizing facts and figures in the debates. He lost. Hillary Clinton was extremely good at it as well. She lost. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you didn't vote for either of them. 

Sure didn't. Sure still don't support one needing notes they carry in. We can disagree on it. Not a huge issue. 

Well, now this looks like fake news. This quote from the NYP, which is a very pro-Trump paper, says Harris is talking about future debates, not the 9/10 debate:

https://nypost.com/2024/08/26/us-news/harris-campaign-urges-trump-to-take-abc-news-debate-without-muted-microphone/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Quote

Harris campaign senior communications adviser Brian Fallon fired the first shot in the spat Monday by saying the Democratic nominee had "told ABC and other networks seeking to host a possible October debate that we believe both candidates’ mics should be live throughout the full broadcast.

 

To be fair, others are reporting it for the 9/10 debate. I am looking for the actual statement from Brian Fallon. 

Looks like NYP got it wrong -- shocker. My apologies. Also looks like they baited the baby into it.

 

 

3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Good thread that talks about the shift in voting eligible population demographics as a result of the post-boomer birth rate drop, which I guess was called the "baby bust". Apparently all polling outfits use demo data that was based on the 2020 census, but that fails to capture a larger than usual shift in VEP age demos and excess deaths in older age groups as a result of covid.

TL/DR: We always talk about how unreliable the youth vote is and how much it favors the dems. But due to a unique confluence of factors like this "baby bust" combined with covid deaths in boomer aged voters, we could see an even more favorable overall demo shift towards dems, meaning a smaller turnout is needed from the youth demos to acheive the same result from previous elections.

 

I didn't save the post, but I saw on twitter about which demographics were going for Trump, and the only generation trump had a positive in was Gen X.  It surprised me, as I would have assumed that it would have been the baby boomers as the one generation going for Trump, but looking at your post I'm wondering if they would have been had the boomers on the right listened during COVID.

 

2 hours ago, vikas83 said:

The Harris campaign is free to ask for changes to the debate rules, but if Trump doesn't agree, she needs to show up and debate under the rules that were agreed to previously. You can't call Trump out for trying to back out and then threaten to back out if the rules aren't changed.

Again, free to ask and see if Trump's camp agrees. And making the mute thing public is smart because it might bait Trump into agreeing over the objection of his advisors. But if he doesn't, she needs to honor the agreement.

IMO I think the Harris campaign is too worried on the minutiae of the debate and trying to get perfect terms.  She just needs to get him on the other side of the stage so she can show off how lopsided of a comparison it is between the two. 

More or less the campaign needs to stop letting perfect get in the way of better.

12 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Al Gore was great at memorizing facts and figures in the debates. He lost. Hillary Clinton was extremely good at it as well. She lost. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you didn't vote for either of them. 

To tack on to your point, Nixon won the debate against Kennedy, so long as it was only listened to on the radio.

Poor, senile, old man

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Sure didn't. Sure still don't support one needing notes they carry in. We can disagree on it. Not a huge issue. 

I tend to really like policy wonks who are highly intelligent and have a deep analytical understanding of the issues. Those candidates always lose. Spouting facts and figures, citing historical precedent, and talking about policy nuances that are possible to pass a deeply divided congress just puts the average voter straight to sleep. If people actually liked these candidates we would be talking about President Rubio's second term.  

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Looks like NYP got it wrong -- shocker. My apologies. Also looks like they baited the baby into it.

 

 

 

how about hooking them both up to a lie detector for the debate!