I'd prefer an actual conservative to represent the republican party, decent chance I'd vote for them over Harris. 

12 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The Harris/Walz interview was fine and was likely a non-event electorally. It allows her campaign to say she did sit for a serious interview, answered tough questions thoughtfully and isn't afraid to defend her positions. If you like Harris, you thought she crushed it. If you like Trump, you likely didn't watch it and will scream she did terribly.

It once again highlights the laughable double standard in the coverage of the campaigns. The media has been crying for a month for Harris to sit for an interview, and when she did, they grilled her. Meanwhile, Trump gives interviews were his answers are non-sensical, rambling monologues that are completely devoid of truth or any sense of reality. And...they just let it happen. 

The liberal media is really horrible at being the liberal media. 

20 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

I'd prefer an actual conservative to represent the republican party, decent chance I'd vote for them over Harris. 

Of the people who ran in the primary, I'd have voted for any of them other than Ramaswamy over Harris. Ramaswamy is a complete fraud and idiot - he's a complete joke in the finance industry, just like Trump. DeSantis has done a lot I disagree with, but I think he'd actually govern as a more traditional Republican. Haley, Christie and Burgum would all work. Pence is a little too evangelical, but I still would have been OK with it.

If the GOP loses this election, it's one of the worst own goals of all time.

Just now, vikas83 said:

Of the people who ran in the primary, I'd have voted for any of them other than Ramaswamy over Harris. Ramaswamy is a complete fraud and idiot - he's a complete joke in the finance industry, just like Trump. DeSantis has done a lot I disagree with, but I think he'd actually govern as a more traditional Republican. Haley, Christie and Burgum would all work. Pence is a little too evangelical, but I still would have been OK with it.

If the GOP loses this election, it's one of the worst own goals of all time.

I don't think I could vote for Pence. I'd consider Haley or Christie, and don't know a lot about Burgum but obviously if he was nominated that would change.

25 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

I'd prefer an actual conservative to represent the republican party, decent chance I'd vote for them over Harris. 

Who is that anymore? Younkin? I thought DeSantis had done a decent job handling disasters in Florida, but he hasn't been impressive the last year and a half. They don't have a bench while the Dems have 2 or 3 I could name. 

8 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Of the people who ran in the primary, I'd have voted for any of them other than Ramaswamy over Harris. Ramaswamy is a complete fraud and idiot - he's a complete joke in the finance industry, just like Trump. DeSantis has done a lot I disagree with, but I think he'd actually govern as a more traditional Republican. Haley, Christie and Burgum would all work. Pence is a little too evangelical, but I still would have been OK with it.

If the GOP loses this election, it's one of the worst own goals of all time.

Let's just hit reset on the primaries, let Bernie Lomax get an extra year, let the courts continue on Trumps crimes, and start over.  Guaranteed not to end up with a Harris vs Trump ballot.

 

3 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

I don't think I could vote for Pence. I'd consider Haley or Christie, and don't know a lot about Burgum but obviously if he was nominated that would change.

Christie is a POS who talks a lot of crap and is full of it. You might as well vote for Trump. 

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Christie is a POS who talks a lot of crap and is full of it. You might as well vote for Trump. 

Nah

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Christie is a POS who talks a lot of crap and is full of it. You might as well vote for Trump. 

Christie's not mentally ill, which is an important distinction.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Who is that anymore? Younkin? I thought DeSantis had done a decent job handling disasters in Florida, but he hasn't been impressive the last year and a half. They don't have a bench while the Dems have 2 or 3 I could name. 

I dunno. That's why I'm voting for Harris lol

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Of the people who ran in the primary, I'd have voted for any of them other than Ramaswamy over Harris. Ramaswamy is a complete fraud and idiot - he's a complete joke in the finance industry, just like Trump. DeSantis has done a lot I disagree with, but I think he'd actually govern as a more traditional Republican. Haley, Christie and Burgum would all work. Pence is a little too evangelical, but I still would have been OK with it.

If the GOP loses this election, it's one of the worst own goals of all time.

He is not impressive in debates, to say the least, but when the causeway to Sanibel was knocked out, many said it would take over a year at minimum before any vehicles would reach the island, and it was patched in about two weeks. The Army Core of Engineers should also get a lot of credit, but he's been really good handling disasters. 

Basically...

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

He is not impressive in debates, to say the least, but when the causeway to Sanibel was knocked out, many said it would take over a year at minimum before any vehicles would reach the island, and it was patched in about two weeks. The Army Core of Engineers should also get a lot of credit, but he's been really good handling disasters. 

His whole campaign came across as an overly managed, calculated train wreck where a bunch of advisors turned him into even more of a weird robot. He's much better when he isn't being overly managed. Combine that with him trying to buttress his MAGA credentials, and it all just came off as horribly inauthentic. 

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

 Republicans are mainly retirees, the unemployed and the unemployable. Get a job, hippies. 

Look at welders there in dark red.  Welders for Trump is the least surprising point in that data chart:

 

 

1 hour ago, Captain F said:

She doesn't make me sad about anything.  I'm not invested in politics like you guys.  How many times have I posted here? A handful? You guys live in here.  So instead of deflecting or trying to make a pathetic attempt at a joke.  Answer the question.

Do you really want a bunch of schmoes from a football team's message board sub-forum to convince you how to vote?

Bloomberg polls are usually pretty good, but +9 in Wisconsin seems off.

 

1 minute ago, toolg said:

Do you really want a bunch of schmoes from a football team's message board sub-forum to convince you how to vote?

That’s the best option he’s got tbh

19 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Of the people who ran in the primary, I'd have voted for any of them other than Ramaswamy over Harris. Ramaswamy is a complete fraud and idiot - he's a complete joke in the finance industry, just like Trump. DeSantis has done a lot I disagree with, but I think he'd actually govern as a more traditional Republican. Haley, Christie and Burgum would all work. Pence is a little too evangelical, but I still would have been OK with it.

If the GOP loses this election, it's one of the worst own goals of all time.

I was really hoping it wasn't going to be Trump and actually thought that it might not be.  Almost all of the people I know that voted in the primaries said they were not voting for Trump but they also may not have wanted to admit to voting for him, which should say something.  I don't think this race would be close if it were any of those you mentioned.  The fact that the race is this close just shows that we may have the worst 2 candidates running for president in history.  Sadly, it could end up where the winner gets the most votes in history and it's only because people are voting against a candidate and not for a candidate.  Unfortunately, it has been this way for the last 3 elections, hopefully this doesn't become the norm.

 

 

10 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

His whole campaign came across as an overly managed, calculated train wreck where a bunch of advisors turned him into even more of a weird robot. He's much better when he isn't being overly managed. Combine that with him trying to buttress his MAGA credentials, and it all just came off as horribly inauthentic. 

When DeSantis isn't running for anything, he's ok.

When he is running for something, he panders to the max.  Before he was elected gov, he was running on a "I love DJT, MAGA forever" trope, but then when he got into office he did a pretty good job.  After COVID and 2020, he got pushed into being a POTUS hopeful, and in doing so used Florida laws to benefit his campaign, instead of doing what was right for Florida.  After he dropped out, he came back around to the governor he was before COVID, which all things considered is pretty milquetoast (not enough to undo his moronic culture war laws, IMO).  His big downside is that he takes a metric F ton of donations from property developers, so they can pretty much get away with murder.

Not to mention he did all his debate prep with Eddie Munster and got a ton of campaign ideas from him to boot.

Also, Florida in the last few years pretty much slingshot my position on legislative term limits from yes to hell no.  FL has term limits in the legislature, and because of that people aren't there long enough to lead it and point it in a direction.  For a few months after he DeSantis dropped out, the legislature wasn't doing D, and the response was "Well, DeSantis hasn't given us any direction."  Turns out that tenure has merit.

 

I've spoken to a few people who know DeSantis, and they all agree he's an intelligent guy who just struggles to come across as an authentic person. Once he became a national name, he started with dumb stunts to get attention, and most of them were just stupid. The most obvious example was the fight with Disney...going to war with the state's largest employer, and somehow massively increasing the financial burden on taxpayers, was an interesting choice.

He would have been better served waiting until 2028.

Dude really hates windmills

Trump bizarrely claims people have stopped eating bacon because of wind power

The former president made the bold claim as an answer to a young rally-goer asking what his plan is, "to make life more affordable and bring down inflation for someone like me."

The GOP presidential nominee said, "You take a look at bacon and some of these products, and some people don't eat bacon anymore."

"And we are going to get the energy prices down," he continued.

 

"When we get energy down – you know this was caused by their horrible energy. Wind – they want wind all over the place," he added.

"But when it doesn't blow we have a little problem," Trump added.

 

5 minutes ago, GreenReaper said:

I was really hoping it wasn't going to be Trump and actually thought that it might not be.  Almost all of the people I know that voted in the primaries said they were not voting for Trump but they also may not have wanted to admit to voting for him, which should say something.  I don't think this race would be close if it were any of those you mentioned.  The fact that the race is this close just shows that we may have the worst 2 candidates running for president in history.  Sadly, it could end up where the winner gets the most votes in history and it's only because people are voting against a candidate and not for a candidate.  Unfortunately, it has been this way for the last 3 elections, hopefully this doesn't become the norm.

Obviously Trump sucks but Harris is a unicorn.  Popular on the left but tied to Biden's moderate Dem governing positions.  Trotting out mostly centrist Dem policy proposals: lower taxes on the middle class, pro-Western foreign policy, pro-Choice, pro border bill, but with some flashy populist red meat for the base: starter housing, taxes on the super wealthy.   Experience at the highest levels.  Runs a nimble campaign that's really the first one since 2016 to effectively counter Trump's chaos sheet (Biden's win had almost nothing to do with his campaign, it was 100% that the country hated Trump).  And add on top of it she'd be an historic choice as the first woman president and she's one of the stronger candidates the Dems have put up in a long time.

18 hours ago, mr_hunt said:

 

This is dumb because

It will never pass.