October 4, 20241 yr I mean... Quote What are the qualities of a cult leader? Cult leaders are charismatic, highly convincing, and good at getting people to listen to and follow them. They often build their image on lies and may display narcissistic behaviors. What is cult behavior? There are several behaviors associated with cults. Someone who is in a cult might lose their sense of individuality, become obsessed with cult doctrine, cut contact with loved ones, or start engaging in unhealthy behaviors like self-starvation. What defines a cult? It is difficult to define a cult, as there are many characteristics that cults must have. Essentially, a cult is a group of people who fanatically follow one person or belief system while also engaging in a number of dangerous practices.
October 4, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: That isn't the enemy in your mind? It used to be that you could have a more enjoyable conversation when you disagreed with a conservative than a liberal, because there would be some good faith argument going on and they wouldn’t go insane about it. Now you’ve got MAGA just completely going off the deep end. It’s gotten to the point where not only will there be no good faith argument when you disagree with a MAGA, they will actively shun people who disagree, including friends and family.
October 4, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: It's definitely psychological. There's something not right in their heads. Normal people don't observe everything we have observed about Trump and then still decide to vote for him. keep in mind that they might not see much of the negative trump stuff if they only watch right wing coverage. or they see it & it's downplayed or spun.
October 4, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Bill said: For the life of me I can’t understand how everyone is coalescing around Trump. Like I get being tied so much to your political principles that you argue about it as nauseam or you make it more or your personality than it should be, but I just can’t grasp what the intersection is between Trump and his followers. It’s politics, on steroids, and over a man, not an ideal. Maybe someone with more psychological or sociological expertise can explain it somewhat. But I just don’t get it. It's a cult. We just have never seen it on this kind of scale in the US. Think about the level of cognitive dissonance required. - Trump voters think he is a strong man, when in fact he is a cuck loser who can't handle any criticism and cries like a **** (see his "I hate Bruce Springsteen" comment"). - Trump voters think he's a genius and some amazing businessman, when the truth is he is an imbecile that can't speak in coherent sentences and has run multiple businesses into the ground. - Trump voters think he cares about people like them (working class, poorly educated), when in reality Trump wouldn't be caught dead associating with any of them and inherited hundreds of millions of dollars. - Trump voters think he is a good Christian man, but he's cheated on every wife he has ever had, never has been to Church, and couldn't cite a single Bible passage when pressed. The issue is people fell for this con in 2016 -- some of it thanks to the marketing genius of Rob Burnett, some of it because they would believe anything to vote against Hillary Clinton. Now, they are irretrievably invested into it, and no matter how much evidence they see that they were conned, they can't come to grips with it and admit they fell for a scam. So the more insane he acts, the more it becomes evident that he is an imbecile, the more they defend him. Because they aren't defending him. They are defending themselves, because to accept reality would require admitting they are morons that were duped.
October 4, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Bill said: It used to be that you could have a more enjoyable conversation when you disagreed with a conservative than a liberal, because there would be some good faith argument going on and they wouldn’t go insane about it. Now you’ve got MAGA just completely going off the deep end. It’s gotten to the point where not only will there be no good faith argument when you disagree with a MAGA, they will actively shun people who disagree, including friends and family. I'm all about giving someone the benefit of the doubt and starting out with good faith. But all that good faith evaporates the moment someone says Trump was cheated out of the 2020 election. At that point, being tethered to reality takes priority because I refuse to indulge someone's deranged fantasies.
October 4, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: It's definitely psychological. There's something not right in their heads. Normal people don't observe everything we have observed about Trump and then still decide to vote for him. I mean I get cults to an extent. I used to live not far from the Scientology headquarters. At first I thought it was just a really nice hotel, with all the workers running around in matching uniforms. Blue slacks, a tie, and a vest. They never caused a problem. But you could tell how exactly how they conned the followers. The guys were all butt fugly nerds who probably never got any, and all the women were just good looking enough to qualify as good looking, but not good looking enough to know it. They just pray on the loners with no self confidence. This is different. I always figured that 10% of the population was just stupid and/or nuts. I didn’t realize that it was closer to 40.
October 4, 20241 yr And this "ownership bias" problem isn't unique to Trump, or politics. I used to see it all the time with my analysts. They'd do a ton of work on a name, get conviction that it was a buy, and push to get it in the portfolio. Then, when the story began to change, when the news and announcements made clear that the thesis was wrong, they'd spin it all to a positive light and keep justifying why they were right and everyone else is wrong. It's why you need analysts but also portfolio managers that aren't as emotionally invested. It's really hard to admit you were wrong.
October 4, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, vikas83 said: It's a cult. We just have never seen it on this kind of scale in the US. Think about the level of cognitive dissonance required. - Trump voters think he is a strong man, when in fact he is a cuck loser who can't handle any criticism and cries like a **** (see his "I hate Bruce Springsteen" comment"). - Trump voters think he's a genius and some amazing businessman, when the truth is he is an imbecile that can't speak in coherent sentences and has run multiple businesses into the ground. - Trump voters think he cares about people like them (working class, poorly educated), when in reality Trump wouldn't be caught dead associating with any of them and inherited hundreds of millions of dollars. - Trump voters think he is a good Christian man, but he's cheated on every wife he has ever had, never has been to Church, and couldn't cite a single Bible passage when pressed. The issue is people fell for this con in 2016 -- some of it thanks to the marketing genius of Rob Burnett, some of it because they would believe anything to vote against Hillary Clinton. Now, they are irretrievably invested into it, and no matter how much evidence they see that they were conned, they can't come to grips with it and admit they fell for a scam. So the more insane he acts, the more it becomes evident that he is an imbecile, the more they defend him. Because they aren't defending him. They are defending themselves, because to accept reality would require admitting they are morons that were duped. Makes perfect sense.
October 4, 20241 yr 52 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: i, for one, am shocked. It's the same story with voter fraud and political violence... they'll tell you its an evil cabal of immigrants and trans people but it always ends up being just some white Republicans.
October 4, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: keep in mind that they might not see much of the negative trump stuff if they only watch right wing coverage. or they see it & it's downplayed or spun. That's exactly the case with some of my family and my in-laws too. I have to remind my wife all the time that her dad is on a steady diet of 24/7 Fox News when she questions how he can believe so many crazy things.
October 4, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said: The left needs to do a better job of telling the Midwest that they get a lot of their energy from renewable energy. Iowa is a 64% And even Texas is at 28% https://www.fool.com/research/renewable-energy-by-state/ That looks like gay socialism to me.
October 4, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, Gannan said: I mean... yeah...there is cult-like stuff out there like this. but i'd like to think the average trump voter isn't going that far.
October 4, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: How is it that Evangelical Christians support Trump in mass. He doesn't read the bible. He is unable to quote the bible. He doesn't belong to a church. He doesn't attend Church. He doesn't pray. He is a a sinner that doesn't ask for forgiveness. He doesn't go to confession. He has violated the 10 Commandments. # 7 Thou shall not commit adultery and # 8 Thou shall not steal. Again he doesn't ask for forgiveness. He is unholy yet is supported by Evangelicals. It makes zero sense to me. What's the appeal. He is Jesus Christ? The ends justify the means.
October 4, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, vikas83 said: It's a cult. We just have never seen it on this kind of scale in the US. Think about the level of cognitive dissonance required. - Trump voters think he is a strong man, when in fact he is a cuck loser who can't handle any criticism and cries like a **** (see his "I hate Bruce Springsteen" comment"). - Trump voters think he's a genius and some amazing businessman, when the truth is he is an imbecile that can't speak in coherent sentences and has run multiple businesses into the ground. - Trump voters think he cares about people like them (working class, poorly educated), when in reality Trump wouldn't be caught dead associating with any of them and inherited hundreds of millions of dollars. - Trump voters think he is a good Christian man, but he's cheated on every wife he has ever had, never has been to Church, and couldn't cite a single Bible passage when pressed. The issue is people fell for this con in 2016 -- some of it thanks to the marketing genius of Rob Burnett, some of it because they would believe anything to vote against Hillary Clinton. Now, they are irretrievably invested into it, and no matter how much evidence they see that they were conned, they can't come to grips with it and admit they fell for a scam. So the more insane he acts, the more it becomes evident that he is an imbecile, the more they defend him. Because they aren't defending him. They are defending themselves, because to accept reality would require admitting they are morons that were duped. A sad tale about mental illness in America. This is an acceptable mental illness to perhaps a third of the US.
October 4, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, vikas83 said: It's a cult. We just have never seen it on this kind of scale in the US. Think about the level of cognitive dissonance required. - Trump voters think he is a strong man, when in fact he is a cuck loser who can't handle any criticism and cries like a **** (see his "I hate Bruce Springsteen" comment"). - Trump voters think he's a genius and some amazing businessman, when the truth is he is an imbecile that can't speak in coherent sentences and has run multiple businesses into the ground. - Trump voters think he cares about people like them (working class, poorly educated), when in reality Trump wouldn't be caught dead associating with any of them and inherited hundreds of millions of dollars. - Trump voters think he is a good Christian man, but he's cheated on every wife he has ever had, never has been to Church, and couldn't cite a single Bible passage when pressed. The issue is people fell for this con in 2016 -- some of it thanks to the marketing genius of Rob Burnett, some of it because they would believe anything to vote against Hillary Clinton. Now, they are irretrievably invested into it, and no matter how much evidence they see that they were conned, they can't come to grips with it and admit they fell for a scam. So the more insane he acts, the more it becomes evident that he is an imbecile, the more they defend him. Because they aren't defending him. They are defending themselves, because to accept reality would require admitting they are morons that were duped. Or some people just prefer the Trump economy to the Kambla economy and want to see as many illegal alien rapists deported as quickly as possible. It's not really that complicated. Just because you're built like a liberal doesn't mean you have to become one.
October 4, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, mr_hunt said: yeah...there is cult-like stuff out there like this. but i'd like to think the average trump voter isn't going that far. I have one relative that believes he's some sort of sign from God. She is also bipolar. Other friends and relatives, like you, I just can't bring it up because it would not end well. I'll leave you with a couple of quotes from my landlord the other day. He is completely gone. "Democrats have too much power" "We're going to end up just like China" "A slave state" "Did you know The FBI and the CIA have slaves? Yea, you never see them because they aren't allowed to come out of the house" I have openly admitted on here that I voted for this bustard in 2016. I was suckered into it when they re-opened Hilary's email investigation. I was sure she was crooked. About 2 weeks into the Trump Presidency, I started regretting that vote. Never again.
October 4, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, Kz! said: Or some people just prefer the Trump economy This will never not make me laugh. Just shows a complete ignorance to how the economy works. Out of curiosity, what do you do for a living, kz?
October 4, 20241 yr 37 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: It's more pity mixed with amusement, rather than hostility. I would rather mock and laugh at you, than fight you. I honestly do wonder if some of you guys have some sort of legit learning disability. And no, I don't consider people like that "the enemy" but they don't get to pretend to be patriotic after voting for someone who tried to illegally remain in power after losing an election. It's pretty black and white, there are no shades of gray to this one. Agree with some of that. We've both said some nasty crap to each other that we both meant, but there is still a good guy I like in there. Trump's not a nice guy, and I think you and others are pissed off people would enable another 4 years of what you see as dangerous to you, your family, and the country you love. I get it. There are no shades of gray in this election, but there is another side who sees her as dangerous to our families and our lives. Neither side is going to get it or respect the other for thinking that. I don't know who is going to win, but the other side will be apoplectic in four weeks. If I was betting my life on it, I'd say Harris wins. And yes, I mean wins. I may troll the crap out of some of you about fraud, but I said Biden won on election night and meant it. If people don't remember I said it I enjoy f'ing with them. We'll see what happens.
October 4, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Paul852 said: This will never not make me laugh. Just shows a complete ignorance to how the economy works. Out of curiosity, what do you do for a living, kz? I know, we had another record harvest, didn't we, comrade? Honestly, just look at housing costs and any grocery bill pre and post Trump.
October 4, 20241 yr Just now, Kz! said: Honestly, just look at housing costs and any grocery bill pre and post Trump. More of that ignorance we're talking about. What exactly would a "Trump economy" do to lower the cost of housing? You guys point to the cost of things from 2016-2019 and say "Not when Trump was president". Of course not, dipsh**s. We had a global pandemic that caused inflation around the world. Is a "Trump economy" going to lower the prices in England?
October 4, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, jsdarkstar said: My 401 K thanks Joe Biden. Day Chart Price Change % S&P 500 5,709.22 +0.16% Dow 30 42,039.25 +0.07% Nasdaq 17,978.60 +0.34% Russell 2000 2,203.17 +1.06% Lucky for you the catch-up contribution limit for 401(k)s is now $11,250 for participants between the ages of 60 and 63 due to the SECURE 2.0 Act.
October 4, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Paul852 said: More of that ignorance we're talking about. What exactly would a "Trump economy" do to lower the cost of housing? You guys point to the cost of things from 2016-2019 and say "Not when Trump was president". Of course not, dipsh**s. We had a global pandemic that caused inflation around the world. Is a "Trump economy" going to lower the prices in England? Well, I for one am certain that imposing an across the board 10-20% tariff on all good will definitely bring down prices. And allowing the President to have input in setting interest rates is also a great idea which definitely won't lead to artificially low rates that inflate the price of homes and other assets. Makes total sense...
October 4, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, paco said: Lucky for you the catch-up contribution limit for 401(k)s is now $11,250 for participants between the ages of 60 and 63 due to the SECURE 2.0 Act. You calling him old?
October 4, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Paul852 said: You calling him old? I have no idea how old he is, I'm just saying there is an avenue for him to pump up that balance.
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