Outlaw Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Just now, VanHammersly said: Ah, okay, so you're not concerned about knowing the truth, you're just concerned that it's not getting enough "press coverage". Got it. Also, not sure if you've heard, but there's a global pandemic going on that's taken the lives of over 60k Americans and put millions out of work. I can't say for sure, but I think it's more important to the American people than a flimsy accusation with more holes from 30 years go. yep, more flimsy and more holes than Ford's accusation? See I don't care that Kavanaugh was investigated and got the full court press...just think it should be fair and equal for both sides. Of course, this accusation has corroborating witnesses, but you know...that doesn't matter. 2
mr_hunt Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Outlaw said: Completely agreed. I think the timing is suspect. But it's also hilarious he's doing Town Halls about #metoo while he's being accused. idk about hilarious. he's allowed to support the metoo movement even if there's an unproven accusation hanging out there.
Outlaw Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, mr_hunt said: idk about hilarious. he's allowed to support the metoo movement even if there's an unproven accusation hanging out there. The timing is what I find hilarious.
mr_hunt Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Outlaw said: yep, more flimsy and more holes than Ford's accusation? See I don't care that Kavanaugh was investigated and got the full court press...just think it should be fair and equal for both sides. Of course, this accusation has corroborating witnesses, but you know...that doesn't matter. kav was in the middle of a senate confirmation hearing. there was a forum for ford's accusations to be heard & she testified under oath & was questioned by both sides. circumstances are different with biden. sure, the press can dig into it but it will be all spin & nothing will be under oath.
Outlaw Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Just now, mr_hunt said: kav was in the middle of a senate confirmation hearing. there was a forum for ford's accusations to be heard & she testified under oath & was questioned by both sides. circumstances are different with biden. sure, the press can dig into it but it will be all spin & nothing will be under oath. That is a very solid point.
Gannan Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Outlaw said: But TRUMP! Don't talk about Trump when talking about the election between Biden and Trump! 1
VanHammersly Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Outlaw said: yep, more flimsy and more holes than Ford's accusation? See I don't care that Kavanaugh was investigated and got the full court press...just think it should be fair and equal for both sides. Of course, this accusation has corroborating witnesses, but you know...that doesn't matter. Yeah, I'd say it's a bit more flimsy than the Ford accusation, which was also flimsy. This woman has changed her story multiple times through the years, despite talking about her time with Biden over and over again publicly and despite Biden being a public political figure for a long, long time. Also, I'm not sure why you're pretending like we're not in the midst of a global pandemic. If this accusation is high on your list of priorities for the press, then they're a little out of whack.
Outlaw Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Yeah, I'd say it's a bit more flimsy than the Ford accusation, which was also flimsy. This woman has changed her story multiple times through the years, despite talking about her time with Biden over and over again publicly and despite Biden being a public political figure for a long, long time. Also, I'm not sure why you're pretending like we're not in the midst of a global pandemic. If this accusation is high on your list of priorities for the press, then they're a little out of whack. So should be Corona 24/7? While I don't see Biden as priority 1 at all, it should still be up in the top 5 wouldn't you say? And for the record, not a Trumpbot. His daily briefings make me cringe 99% of the time. I just fantasize about his daughter.
VanHammersly Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Outlaw said: So should be Corona 24/7? While I don't see Biden as priority 1 at all, it should still be up in the top 5 wouldn't you say? And for the record, not a Trumpbot. His daily briefings make me cringe 99% of the time. I just fantasize about his daughter. When Trump was accused of rape (the latest time) it was back page stuff. It barely got a half-day's news cycle. That woman had corroborating witnesses too and hadn't changed her story multiple times. It was far more credible than Reade. So, if we're going by that, Biden's allegation should've been out of the news already. After all, "it should be fair and equal for both sides". Don't you agree?
Outlaw Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: When Trump was accused of rape (the latest time) it was back page stuff. It barely got a half-day's news cycle. That woman had corroborating witnesses too and hadn't changed her story multiple times. It was far more credible than Reade. So, if we're going by that, Biden's allegation should've been out of the news already. After all, "it should be fair and equal for both sides". Don't you agree? I think where there's smoke, there's fire. And both guys have smoke, yes. I guess my issue is more where are all the "I Believe Her" members of our government when Ford was making accusations? Yeah, Corona, Trump, Jalen Hurts...I get there's other news but you're clearly biased if you think this is getting even close to the same type of attention as similar stories about other famous folks.
VanHammersly Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, Outlaw said: I think where there's smoke, there's fire. And both guys have smoke, yes. I guess my issue is more where are all the "I Believe Her" members of our government when Ford was making accusations? Yeah, Corona, Trump, Jalen Hurts...I get there's other news but you're clearly biased if you think this is getting even close to the same type of attention as similar stories about other famous folks. Like I just said, it's getting far, far more attention than Trump's latest rape accusation, which barely got a mention from most outlets. I don't remember that bothering you or anyone else. It seems like the media's giving this Reade accusation about as much attention as it deserves. I've seen articles in nearly every outlet, liberal and conservative, but it's not dominating the headlines, nor should it. They're "looking into it", like you seem to want them to, and presenting the facts as they're known. But I haven't seen you actually address the facts of the case and how clearly flimsy her story is. You just seem to want it to be covered in the press more.
Outlaw Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Like I just said, it's getting far, far more attention than Trump's latest rape accusation, which barely got a mention from most outlets. I don't remember that bothering you or anyone else. It seems like the media's giving this Reade accusation about as much attention as it deserves. I've seen articles in nearly every outlet, liberal and conservative, but it's not dominating the headlines, nor should it. They're "looking into it", like you seem to want them to, and presenting the facts as they're known. But I haven't seen you actually address the facts of the case and how clearly flimsy her story is. You just seem to want it to be covered in the press more. And you only seem to want to compare it to Trump stuff. Guess what? It is possible they're both scumbags, right? 1
VanHammersly Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 20 minutes ago, Outlaw said: And you only seem to want to compare it to Trump stuff. Guess what? It is possible they're both scumbags, right? Because they're running against each other for President. The point of an election is to compare two individuals and decide who's right for the job. And 20+ sexual assault accusations, 3 rape accusations, an ex-wife who confessed to rape in deposition, a personal-hot mic description of sexual assault along with a litany of other just generally deviant behaviors including paying a porn star hush money and cheating all three of his wives, including while his 3rd was home with their baby, is not equal to 1 assault accusation from 30 years ago. So, no, I don't consider them equal scumbags at all.
Outlaw Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Because they're running against each other for President. The point of an election is to compare two individuals and decide who's right for the job. And 20+ sexual assault accusations, 3 rape accusations, an ex-wife who confessed to rape in deposition, a personal-hot mic description of sexual assault along with a litany of other just generally deviant behaviors including paying a porn star hush money and cheating all three of his wives, including while his 3rd was home with their baby, is not equal to 1 assault accusation from 30 years ago. So, no, I don't consider them equal scumbags at all. Never said they were equal. 1
L.E Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Outlaw said: Well, to be fair...it's supposed to be President Clinton right now too. I think either side getting cocky this early is ludicrous. Trump told people to inject disinfectant last week.
Outlaw Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, L.E said: Trump told people to inject disinfectant last week.
EaglesRocker97 Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Just humor me here. Let's just say this really gets out of hand and looks bad for Biden. Is there any legitimate way for Bernie to ultimately be nominated? Or anyone else, for that matter?
jsdarkstar Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Just humor me here. Let's just say this really gets out of hand and looks bad for Biden. Is there any legitimate way for Bernie to ultimately be nominated? Or anyone else, for that matter? Hell no. Biden beat the crap out of Sanders in the Primaries, which are still ongoing and Biden is racking up big numbers despite the scandal.
EaglesRocker97 Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Hell no. Biden beat the crap out of Sanders in the Primaries, which are still ongoing and Biden is racking up big numbers despite the scandal. The only primary that's been held since the shutdowns was WI, which was a disaster. Otherwise, NY has been canceled, which is another stupid move. Ohio is ongoing, but that was always a lost cause for Bernie. My only point is, this only likely to heat up in the summer. I'll vote for Biden if he's the nominee, but I was never completely confident in his ability to beat Trump. If this accusations continues to dog Biden, I think it's a wrap for Trump in November.
jsdarkstar Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: The only primary that's been held to my knowledge was WI, which was a disaster. Otherwise, NY has been canceled, which is another stupid move. PA primary is in June. Many have been moved to a later date.
EaglesRocker97 Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: PA primary is in June. Many have been moved to a later date. Yeah, so they are postponed, not "ongoing." Take Bernie out of the equation. Can anyone else step in and save the Democrats from defeat in November at the hands of Biden? Because it does not look good for his candidacy.
jsdarkstar Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Yeah, so they are postponed, not "ongoing." Take Bernie out of the equation. Can anyone else step in and save the Democrats from defeat in November at the hands of Biden? Because it does not look good for his candidacy. Cuomo would have a better shot than Bernie. 1
EaglesRocker97 Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Cuomo would have a better shot than Bernie. And probably a better shot than Biden, as it currently stands. I'd take Cuomo in a heartbeat.
Gannan Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Just humor me here. Let's just say this really gets out of hand and looks bad for Biden. Is there any legitimate way for Bernie to ultimately be nominated? Or anyone else, for that matter? Let it go dude
VanHammersly Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Are we playing pretend in here? Cool. I think Obama’s gonna surprise us all and jump in the ring for a third term. 1
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