3 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I'm not telling the right anything. I'm recognizing the age we live in. The mere existence of an accusation is enough to sink a campaign, especially on the left, given the stance that it has adopted vis-à-vis sexual assault. All the post said was that he asked the Archives to search for the records. And if the search turns up nothing, it's still not going to be enough in many people's minds to absolve him. A court of law is not the court of public opinion; the absence of evidence does not exonerate, it merely fails to meat the bar of legal guilt. This isn't about how you or I think. It's about how the liberal voting public thinks. It's already up in arms, and Biden will be answering questions about this until election day.

I think the real issue is you're super butthurt over Bernie. A flimsy accusation against Biden isn't going to make any liberal vote for Trump who has way more accusations. That's just ridiculous.

IMO Biden is pretty much a lock to be our next president. People want normalcy back. Hopefully Biden will be the most boring president in history. Hell, there's a good chunk of people on these boards that typically vote Republican that are going to vote for Biden to get rid of Trump....and would not have voted for Bernie over Trump. 

4 minutes ago, probably said:

I think the real issue is you're super butthurt over Bernie. A flimsy accusation against Biden isn't going to make any liberal vote for Trump who has way more accusations. That's just ridiculous.

IMO Biden is pretty much a lock to be our next president. People want normalcy back. Hopefully Biden will be the most boring president in history. Hell, there's a good chunk of these boards that typically vote Republican that are going to vote for Biden to get rid of Trump....and would not have voted for Bernie over Trump. 

Fair point

4 minutes ago, probably said:

I think the real issue is you're super butthurt over Bernie.

I'm well over it by this point, but I have less confidence in Biden by the day.

5 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said:

Fair point

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2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I'm well over it by this point, but I have less confidence in Biden by the day.

Are Trump's daily actions making you more confident that he will win? 

8 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I'm well over it by this point, but I have less confidence in Biden by the day.

You'd likely have even less confidence in Bernie if he had the nod.  There's little chance he'd have the leads Biden does right now, we'd be seeing daily stories about some new Communist that he praised, AND, on top of all that, you'd likely have a woman somewhere coming forward.

1 hour ago, probably said:

I think the real issue is you're super butthurt over Bernie. A flimsy accusation against Biden isn't going to make any liberal vote for Trump who has way more accusations. That's just ridiculous.

IMO Biden is pretty much a lock to be our next president. People want normalcy back. Hopefully Biden will be the most boring president in history. Hell, there's a good chunk of people on these boards that typically vote Republican that are going to vote for Biden to get rid of Trump....and would not have voted for Bernie over Trump. 

Biden has been credibly accused 8 times of inappropriate touching/sexual assault.

I wonder if Hillera still has her legs under her. Biden can wonder bewildered off stage and Clinton can stumble up to the mic ****ling in his place.

Run it back, ****es.

2 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

I wonder if Hillera still has her legs under her. Biden can wonder bewildered off stage and Clinton can stumble up to the mic ****ling in his place.

Run it back, ****es.

This is the Trumpbot fantasy. Hillary, the only candidate Trump can beat. 

2 minutes ago, Gannan said:

This is the Trumpbot fantasy. Hillary, the only candidate Trump can beat. 

If you insist on running a corrupt, senile rapist, go ahead. 

You have literally the weakest republican incumbent in a generation and the best you can come up with is a guy who digitally penetrates women against their will, takes millions in bribes from foreign powers and struggles so badly to express a coherent thought that his wife often speaks for him. 

And you think that guy is a lock for the Presidency. O.K..🤭

 

14 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Biden has been credibly accused 7 times of inappropriate touching/sexual assault.  inappropriate touching.  And 1 time of sexual assault.

FYP.  The Beta posted them a few pages back.  There's some really bad stuff in there, like:

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Biden, according to the Washington Post, "responded by clasping her hands and leaning down to place his forehead against hers.”

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After Biden arrived she was introduced to him, and, according to her, Biden "leaned in, squeezed her shoulders and delivered a compliment about her smile, holding her ‘for a beat too long.’”

Clasping someone's hands?  Squeezing someone's shoulder?  Complimenting people?  Someone get this guy off the streets.

 

10 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

And you think that guy is a lock for the Presidency. O.K..🤭

 

 

18 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

If you insist on running a corrupt, senile rapist, go ahead. 

You have literally the weakest republican incumbent in a generation and the best you can come up with is a guy who digitally penetrates women against their will, takes millions in bribes from foreign powers and struggles so badly to express a coherent thought that his wife often speaks for him. 

And you think that guy is a lock for the Presidency. O.K..🤭

 

Last I checked, there is a system where the candidate who gets the most votes gets the nomination. Perhaps they could switch to a system where votes are overturned by crazy guy on a message board, but for now its probably best to stick with the system that's already in place. 

3 hours ago, Kz! said:

"Quit pointing out my hypocrisy while I'm trying to point out your hypocrisy!"

Too easy.

LOL You contributed absolutely nothing at all. Take a second seat little guy.

42 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Last I checked, there is a system where the candidate who gets the most votes gets the nomination. Perhaps they could switch to a system where votes are overturned by crazy guy on a message board, but for now its probably best to stick with the system that's already in place. 

Democrats change the rules like Cowboy fans change their underwear. It's been about six weeks so you're due.

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

Biden has been credibly accused 8 times of inappropriate touching/sexual assault.

  7 of those are things like touching a shoulder too long.  You're the best cherry picker. You should work in the media. 

 

It's definitely old man creepy to most but I honestly think for him it's the politician kissing the baby moment. He's posing. If he thought he was doing something wrong he wouldn't be doing it on camera in front of millions of people like he has over and over again. 

1 hour ago, Abracadabra said:

If you insist on running a corrupt, senile rapist, go ahead. 

You have literally the weakest republican incumbent in a generation and the best you can come up with is a guy who digitally penetrates women against their will, takes millions in bribes from foreign powers and struggles so badly to express a coherent thought that his wife often speaks for him. 

And you think that guy is a lock for the Presidency. O.K..🤭

 

Have you seen who he is up against.  

Dems won't be complacent like they were last time. They won't waste their votes on third party out of spite because of Bernie getting screwed at the DNC. Moderates and some people who usually vote Republican but are fed up with Trump will do the same. It's going to be a concerted effort to oust Trump....and the Shiite going down now isn't helping him. 

2 minutes ago, probably said:

Have you seen who he is up against.  

Dems won't be complacent like they were last time. They won't waste their votes on third party out of spite because or Bernie getting screwed. Moderates and people who usually vote Republican but are fed up with Tru;mp will do the same. It's going to be a concerted effort to oust Trump....and the Shiite going down now isn't helping him. 

There's definitely a sizable vote against Trump and a competent democrat candidate would probably win. The problem is that Biden is an absolute disaster. Maybe the censorship on the internet and democrat media manipulated is enough to drag Biden across the finish line but it shouldn't be even close.

4 hours ago, Gannan said:

It was a stupid question. She asked if her name could be searched like the records were in google or something. They aren't digitized. The university would have to hire dozens of people to sift through them. Right now they have a few people curating them. This is only an issue for Bernie Bros and Trumpbots who won't vote for Biden anyway.

But WaPo does not generally cater to the Bernie Bro demographic. Despite what Trumpbots would have you believe, it's a slightly left-of-center publication. They have no interest in trying to take down Biden, but even they're having a hard time simply dismissing this. My only point is, that when articles like this are showing up in this the bastions of liberal journalism, we might have a problem. This will dog Biden through the campaign unless he can unequivocally quash it.

Is Biden going to make it to November?

They didn’t want him as the nominee. He sexually assaulted women on numerous occasions. He can’t complete a sentence without forgetting the sentence’s beginning. He mistook his sister for his wife.

There is no way they’re letting this guy near a debate stage.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/andrew-sullivan-by-bidens-own-standards-he-is-guilty.html

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By Biden’s Own Standards, He Is Guilty As Charged

By Andrew Sullivan

 

Like most people, I cannot know for sure what actually happened between Joe Biden and Tara Reade many, many moons ago, or, for that matter, what may have once transpired between Brett Kavanaugh and Christine Blasey Ford. No one knows for sure but the individuals (and/or eyewitnesses) themselves, and memories of long-ago encounters may not be sharp — or may become vivid in one person’s recollection and utterly vague in another’s. If I were asked to detail an incident that happened a quarter-century ago, absent serious trauma, I’d be completely stumped. There’s a reason for statutes of limitation. And a reason that in a liberal society an individual is deemed innocent until proven guilty.

Nonetheless, I tend to believe women on these matters as a starting point. They have to endure all sorts of exposure and embarrassment for coming forward, and their claims should always be treated respectfully, compassionately, and fairly. It’s been a serious gain for civilized life that women are not routinely ignored or universally trashed for protesting against their assaulters and harassers. Some trust for all women is vital.

But just as vital in a liberal society is verification. I believe strongly in due process, especially with grave allegations of sexual assault. Revolutionaries, like those behind the **** Media Men list, don’t care if an individual is unfairly accused because, well, in the grand scheme of things, the ends justify the means. In an otherwise admirable attempt to protect women, their respect for liberalism and its frustrating procedures for establishing guilt or innocence was notable by its absence. In fact, it is liberalism that they see as an impediment to their cause, because it is, to them, a mere mask for oppression.

The problem with defending due process in a case like Biden’s with respect to Tara Reade is that Biden himself, when it comes to allegations of sexual abuse and harassment, doesn’t believe in it. Perhaps in part to atone for his shabby treatment of Anita Hill, Biden was especially prominent in the Obama administration’s overhaul of Title IX treatment of claims of sexual discrimination and harassment on campus. You can listen to Biden’s strident speeches and rhetoric on this question and find not a single smidgen of concern with the rights of the accused. Men in college were to be regarded as guilty before being proven innocent, and stripped of basic rights in their self-defense.

Harvard Law professor Jeannie Suk Gersen noted the consequences of Biden’s crusade in The New Yorker last year. "In recent years,” she wrote, "it has become commonplace to deny accused students access to the complaint, the evidence, the identities of witnesses, or the investigative report, and to forbid them from questioning complainants or witnesses … According to K.C. Johnson, a professor at Brooklyn College and an expert on Title IX lawsuits, more than four hundred students accused of sexual misconduct since 2011 have sued their schools under federal or state laws — in many cases, for sex discrimination under Title IX. While many of the lawsuits are still ongoing, nearly half of the students who have sued have won favorable court rulings or have settled with the schools.”

On Friday’s Morning Joe, Biden laid out a simple process for judging him: Listen respectfully to Tara Reade, and then check for facts that prove or disprove her specific claim. The objective truth, Biden argued, is what matters. I agree with him. But this was emphatically not the standard Biden favored when judging men in college. If Biden were a student, under Biden rules, Reade could file a claim of assault, and Biden would have no right to know the specifics, the evidence provided, who was charging him, who was a witness, and no right to question the accuser. Apply the Biden standard for Biden, have woke college administrators decide the issue in private, and he’s toast.

Under Biden, Title IX actually became a force for sex discrimination — as long as it was against men. Emily Yoffe has done extraordinary work exposing the injustices of the Obama-Biden sexual-harassment regime on campus, which have mercifully been pared back since. But she has also highlighted Biden’s own zeal in the cause. He brushed aside most legal defenses against sexual harassment. In a speech at the University of Pittsburgh in 2016, for example, Biden righteously claimed that it was an outrage that any woman claiming sexual assault should have to answer questions like "Were you drinking?” or "What did you say?” "These are questions that angered me then and anger me now.” He went on: "No one, particularly a court of law, has a right to ask any of those questions.”

Particularly a court of law? A court cannot even inquire what a woman said in a disputed sexual encounter? Couldn’t that be extremely relevant to the question of consent? Or ask if she were drinking? It may be extremely salient that she had been drinking — because it could prove rape, if she were incapacitated and unable to consent and sex took place. But Biden’s conviction that young men on campus should be legally handicapped in defending themselves from charges of sexual abuse occluded any sense of basic fairness. In 2013, the Obama administration codified new rules for treating claims on sexual harassment and assault, which, according to the civil liberties group, Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, abandoned  "objective” or "reasonable person” standard, in order to protect young women from young men.

In 2014, the Obama administration issued another guidance for colleges which expanded what "sexual violence” could include, citing "a range of behaviors that are unwanted by the recipient and include remarks about physical appearance; persistent sexual advances that are undesired by the recipient; unwanted touching; and unwanted oral, anal, or vaginal penetration or attempted penetration.” By that standard, ignoring the Reade allegation entirely, Joe Biden has been practicing "sexual violence” for decades: constantly touching women without their prior consent, ruffling and smelling their hair, making comments about their attractiveness, coming up from behind to touch their back or neck. You can see him do it on tape, on countless occasions. He did not stop in 2014, to abide by the standards he was all too willing to impose on college kids. A vice-president could do these things with impunity; a college sophomore could have his life ruined for an inept remark.

Biden is now claiming simply that he never did what Tara Reade said he did. Let’s posit that he didn’t. Too bad. If he were to attempt to defend himself, by his own campus logic, he would be barred any knowledge of what he was precisely accused of, even the identity of his accuser; he would be unable to see the results of any investigation; and his own claims of innocence would be rejected if the woman merely subjectively felt as if she were being abused, regardless of his own intent. Likewise, he could be deemed guilty even if he were completely innocent. As Ezra Klein, a thoroughly mainstream liberal, has explained, the broader fact of sexual abuse on campus required a few broken eggs to make the liberated omelette. In discussing a new "affirmative consent model” in California, Ezra famously wrote:

Critics worry that colleges will fill with cases in which campus boards convict young men (and, occasionally, young women) of sexual assault for genuinely ambiguous situations. Sadly, that’s necessary for the law’s success. It’s those cases — particularly the ones that feel genuinely unclear and maybe even unfair, the ones that become lore in frats and cautionary tales that fathers e-mail to their sons — that will convince men that they better Be Pretty Damn Sure.

Now apply this standard to Biden. By Biden’s own standards, he’s guilty as charged. Reade claims Biden never got affirmative consent from her, and she feels and believes he assaulted her. He never got affirmative consent for countless handsy moves over the decades that unsettled some of the recipients of such affection. End of story. By Biden’s own logic, it is irrelevant that he didn’t mean to harm or discomfit anyone, that Reade’s story may have changed over time, that she might have mixed motives, that she has a record of erratic behavior, a bizarre love for Vladimir Putin, and a stated preference for Bernie Sanders, who was Biden’s chief rival. It’s irrelevant that she appeared to tweet that she would wait to launch her accusations against Biden until the timing was right. And her cause has been championed by the Bernie brigade. The many red flags and question marks in her case are largely irrelevant under Biden’s own campus standards.

It seems to me that Biden has a simple choice here. He can either renounce his previous astonishingly broad and illiberal view of "sexual violence” and argue for more nuance and due process so that a case like Reade versus Biden isn’t a slam dunk in advance; or he should follow his own rules and withdraw from the presidential race. He will, of course, do neither.

I’ll vote for him anyway, because Trump. If you’re using sexual assault as a way to judge a candidacy, Trump’s open record of boasting about it, and the long, long list of women he’s abused and assaulted is surely dispositive. But supporting Biden does mean I’ll be voting for a hypocrite who wants to ruin others’ young lives for what he has routinely and with impunity done. I can live with that, I suppose. And it won’t, of course, be the first time. Or, in all likelihood, the last.

 

 

 

5 hours ago, L.E said:

LOL You contributed absolutely nothing at all. Take a second seat little guy.

Bro, you literally started rooting for the Packers because your previous favorite team couldn’t get over the hump. Could you be any softer, "Legendary Eagle.” 😂😂😂

 

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Another accuser has come forth to claim presumptive Democrat presidential nominee Joe Biden, now 77, sexually harassed her in 2008 by complimenting for being "very well endowed” for a 14-year-old child.

The accuser, Eva Murry, now 26, is reportedly the niece of former Republican Senate candidate Christine O’Donnell, who ran in 2010 for the seat vacated by Biden after he became vice president to then-President Barack Obama.

In an interview with Dan Abrams’ Law & Crime, a site whose reporting tends to boast a very liberal, anti-Trump bias, Murry said that when she was in middle school, she used to attend political/campaign events with her aunt.

During one of those events, the Gridiron Club and Foundation’s annual "The First State Gridiron Dinner & Show” gala, Biden allegedly said something highly inappropriate.

This isn’t the first time he’s been accused of inappropriate behavior.

His past accusers include Tara Reade, Lucy Flores, Amy Lappos, Vail Kohnert-Yount, Caitlyn Caruso, D.J. Hill, Sofie Karasek and Ally Coll, bringing the total, including Murry, to eight.

"I remember walking into the lobby and being in awe of all the people in such fancy clothes,” Murry revealed to Law & Crime. "Our two parties of people gravitated towards each other and everyone started saying their hellos.”

"When it was Biden and my aunt’s turn to say hello he quickly turned to me and asked how old I was. I replied with my age and he replied with the comment ‘Fourteen? You’re very well endowed for 14!’”

He was presumably referring to her breasts, which raises the question of why a 65-year-old man would compliment a 14-year-old child on her bosom. While there are no previous records of him speaking this way to kids, there is plenty of footage of him touching children — particularly young girls — in ways that are inappropriate.

"I was confused but it was definitely weird, he looked me up and down and hovered his eyes on my chest so I had some clue [about] the notion of his comment but didn’t fully understand at the time. We quickly separated from his area after the encounter,” Murry continued.

She added that following the incident, she’d grow anxious and sick in the stomach anytime she saw Biden at other political events that she attended with her aunt.

"I feel his comments were verbal sexual harassment,” she continued. "I think I was too naive to realize exactly what it meant at the time but I vividly remember the uncomfortable feeling I had in the pit of my stomach during the whole encounter.”

"It wasn’t Biden’s words alone that made me so uncomfortable, it was the look, the tone, the whole general vibe was off.”

 

 

14 hours ago, Kz! said:

Bro, you literally started rooting for the Packers because your previous favorite team couldn’t get over the hump. Could you be any softer, "Legendary Eagle.” 😂😂😂

Jesus you're butthurt. You literally had nothing to add to what I posted, but since it was critical of your orange alpha male role model, you couldn't help but have to say something. Now you're resorting to personal attacks because, again, you have absolutely nothing to offer. 

Now get back in your seat.

2 hours ago, L.E said:

Jesus you're butthurt. You literally had nothing to add to what I posted, but since it was critical of your orange alpha male role model, you couldn't help but have to say something. Now you're resorting to personal attacks because, again, you have absolutely nothing to offer. 

Now get back in your seat.

I’m not butthurt. Just couldn’t resist pointing out the blatantly obvious hypocrisy in your first post, Legendary Eagle. Sorry I hurt your feelings. How’s Rodgers looking this offseason?