18 hours ago, NOTW said:

Here are 8 as examples.  There are more (before you say "oh only 8, there should be more").  Watch the damn games or highlights.

But it's a waste of time. You know damn well if you watch the games he stands in the pocket and makes throws.  You only talk about the negative plays. And I know this was a waste of time because you're not even going to open the links and watch them.  You're not going to say "you're right, he made throws from the pocket."  You will ignore the evidence presented that proves you're wrong, make some excuse or say something else negative. 

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlight-eagles-seahawks-jalen-hurts-zips-completion-to-dallas-goedert-on-third

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlights-49ers-eagles-jalen-hurts-and-aj-brown-connect-for-38-yard-gain

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlights-49ers-eagles-jalen-hurts-connection-with-aj-brown-17-yard-pickup

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlight-eagles-cowboys-jalen-hurts-lofts-24-yard-dime-to-aj-brown

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlight-jalen-hurts-stands-firm-in-pocket-for-13-yard-strike-to-dallas-goedert

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlight-qb-jalen-hurts-rips-pass-to-te-dallas-goedert-over-the-middle-for-21-y

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlight-jalen-hurts-launches-go-ahead-28-yard-td-pass-to-a-j-brown-in-fourth-q

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlight-eagles-chiefs-jalen-hurts-13-yard-dime-pinpoints-devonta-smith

 

 

Video 1: Good pass - however, stares down intended target and has a guy wide open...every QB in the league makes that play. 

Video 2: you're kidding right? a 2 step drop and throwing a 4 yard slant to a wide open WR isn't standing in the pocket...again, every QB in the league makes that play

Video 3: literally the same play as video 2 LOL

Video 4: 4 step drop - already decided he's throwing to AJ before he snapped the ball - good ball placement though 

Also this isn't the last 3 weeks

Video 5: more of the same - staring down his intended target before the snap and throws a decent ball - a little high exposing Goedert to a potential back shot but good play

Video 6: You gave me an RPO play which isn't standing in the pocket either...however, solid pass putting it where it had to be with the LB preventing a catch and run opportunity

Video 7: Surprise surprise, another pre-determined pass off a quick drop back - and slightly underthrown, had that not been a rookie probably gets broken up.

Also this isn't the last 3 weeks

Video 8: This is your best example, he actually didn't throw to who he wanted to pre-snap. Unfortunately another video that doesn't fit the criteria of the last 3 weeks.

So you presented me 8 videos, 3 being outside the 3 week guideline, 2 being a 2 step dropback slant (same exact play), 1 being an RPO, so I'll give you a 3/8. You scored a 38/100, you fail. Study up for the next test

Do you understand what standing in the pocket means? If Hurts doesn't throw the ball after his dropback, there's a high chance he's leaving the pocket even if the pocket is clean

17 hours ago, Birdman said:

It's recency bias, it was no different with McNabb, but there are some fans around here that are obsessed just sitting around waiting for Hurts to fail. 

I think most of these people are just miserable, hate life and spew toxicity. Hurts is worthy of criticism just like any other player, but the piling on and crap takes are unwarranted. 

Waiting around for McNaab to take us to the promise land did wonders

20 minutes ago, RunItBAck said:

Video 1: Good pass - however, stares down intended target and has a guy wide open...every QB in the league makes that play. 

Video 2: you're kidding right? a 2 step drop and throwing a 4 yard slant to a wide open WR isn't standing in the pocket...again, every QB in the league makes that play

Video 3: literally the same play as video 2 LOL

Video 4: 4 step drop - already decided he's throwing to AJ before he snapped the ball - good ball placement though 

Also this isn't the last 3 weeks

Video 5: more of the same - staring down his intended target before the snap and throws a decent ball - a little high exposing Goedert to a potential back shot but good play

Video 6: You gave me an RPO play which isn't standing in the pocket either...however, solid pass putting it where it had to be with the LB preventing a catch and run opportunity

Video 7: Surprise surprise, another pre-determined pass off a quick drop back - and slightly underthrown, had that not been a rookie probably gets broken up.

Also this isn't the last 3 weeks

Video 8: This is your best example, he actually didn't throw to who he wanted to pre-snap. Unfortunately another video that doesn't fit the criteria of the last 3 weeks.

So you presented me 8 videos, 3 being outside the 3 week guideline, 2 being a 2 step dropback slant (same exact play), 1 being an RPO, so I'll give you a 3/8. You scored a 38/100, you fail. Study up for the next test

Do you understand what standing in the pocket means? If Hurts doesn't throw the ball after his dropback, there's a high chance he's leaving the pocket even if the pocket is clean

 

Was one of them a duplicate, woops.  I spent the time searching for videos.  I don't give a F about your "guideline."  I searched and grabbed what's available.  The Seahawks game alone he made enough throws from the pocket, anyone can see that. Go watch the highlights.  

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

 

Was one of them a duplicate, woops.  I spent the time searching for videos.  I don't give a F about your "guideline."  I searched and grabbed what's available.  The Seahawks game alone he made enough throws from the pocket, anyone can see that. Go watch the highlights.  

You're delusional.  

41 minutes ago, NOTW said:

On top of that, they only want to target their top 3 and not spread the ball around.  When Goedert is out, they don't even throw to a TE.  They don't care that their backup TEs are only for run blocking and special teams.  

1st INT of the night was a 50/50 deep ball to Quez (not "top 3").  This is a false narrative that "they ONLY want to target top 3".  You state this in absolute terms (which is patently false) and you discount that ALL teams have primary playmakers that each team could be accused of "ONLY wanting to target" based on your flawed logic.

Eagles 2023:

82% of targets for top 4

49ers 2023:

80% for top 4 

Cowboys 2023:

70% for top 4

 

4 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

1st INT of the night was a 50/50 deep ball to Quez (not "top 3").  This is a false narrative that "they ONLY want to target top 3".  You state this in absolute terms (which is patently false) and you discount that ALL teams have primary playmakers that each team could be accused of "ONLY wanting to target" based on your flawed logic.

Eagles 2023:

82% of targets for top 4

49ers 2023:

80% for top 4 

Cowboys 2023:

70% for top 4

 

Obviously there are some targets to other receivers throughout the season.  There are games like the Cowboys where they didn't target anyone but the top 3.  I already said I believe it was yesterday, that every team has their top 3 or 4 receivers that get bulk of the targets.  People have complained that Hurts isn't spreading the ball around and that other receivers should have more targets and catches.  All I've said is the coaches are coaching him that way according to them.  I've also said Hurts is missing open receivers and should make better reads regardless.  One the final play he could have thrown to Gainwell wide open to get into FG range instead of force it to AJ Brown.    

So fans have complained that they're not targeting other receivers enough, your stats are then disproving that?  So which is it?  Hurts doesn't spread the ball around enough?  Or they're targeting receivers in line with other teams and they're doing fine?  Which narrative are we going with, it seems to shift from day to day.

8 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Obviously there are some targets to other receivers throughout the season.  There are games like the Cowboys where they didn't target anyone but the top 3.  I already said I believe it was yesterday, that every team has their top 3 or 4 receivers that get bulk of the targets.  People have complained that Hurts isn't spreading the ball around and that other receivers should have more targets and catches.  All I've said is the coaches are coaching him that way according to them.  I've also said Hurts is missing open receivers and should make better reads regardless.  One the final play he could have thrown to Gainwell wide open to get into FG range instead of force it to AJ Brown.    

So fans have complained that they're not targeting other receivers enough, your stats are then disproving that?  So which is it?  Hurts doesn't spread the ball around enough?  Or they're targeting receivers in line with other teams and they're doing fine?  Which narrative are we going with, it seems to shift from day to day.

I have said nothing about his distribution of targets.  It’s primarily his decision making that I’ve criticized.  So no narrative shift for me.  

Now you say "obviously there are targets to other receivers” after beating this drum that he is being ordered to only target 3.  The passing offense, much like most offenses, runs through 3 primary receiving targets.  This isn’t breaking news.  
 

KC is struggling on offense and they’re near the bottom of the league in ratio of targets to their top 4 (somewhere around 50%).  Most offenses overwhelmingly target 3-4 weapons.  
 

Hurts isn’t making the right reads consistently and he is bailing clean pockets too often.  He is having his best success when he stays in the pocket and throws on schedule and takes what a defense gives him.  As is true for about ANY QB in the league. 
 

Is BJ or Siri (or both) the problem?  I think it’s all 3 of them.  I also think they best understand Jalen’s weaknesses reading a defense and are doing what they can to simplify it for him.  The bomb INT to Quez was at the expense of a wide open Devonta on a crossing route.  The INT to AJ was at the expense of a wide open Gainwell.  Those are two throws that are 100 percent on Jalen.  The scheme drawn up worked in both cases.  The play got guys open, Hurts just missed them for whatever reason.  
 

Maybe it’s AJ’s personality?  Maybe it is the $250MM contract weighing on Hurts mind and wanting to "earn it” by pressing too much?  Who really knows what is going on?

 

 

29 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

I have said nothing about his distribution of targets.  It’s primarily his decision making that I’ve criticized.  So no narrative shift for me.  

Now you say "obviously there are targets to other receivers” after beating this drum that he is being ordered to only target 3.  The passing offense, much like most offenses, runs through 3 primary receiving targets.  This isn’t breaking news.  
 

KC is struggling on offense and they’re near the bottom of the league in ratio of targets to their top 4 (somewhere around 50%).  Most offenses overwhelmingly target 3-4 weapons.  
 

Hurts isn’t making the right reads consistently and he is bailing clean pockets too often.  He is having his best success when he stays in the pocket and throws on schedule and takes what a defense gives him.  As is true for about ANY QB in the league. 
 

Is BJ or Siri (or both) the problem?  I think it’s all 3 of them.  I also think they best understand Jalen’s weaknesses reading a defense and are doing what they can to simplify it for him.  The bomb INT to Quez was at the expense of a wide open Devonta on a crossing route.  The INT to AJ was at the expense of a wide open Gainwell.  Those are two throws that are 100 percent on Jalen.  The scheme drawn up worked in both cases.  The play got guys open, Hurts just missed them for whatever reason.  
 

Maybe it’s AJ’s personality?  Maybe it is the $250MM contract weighing on Hurts mind and wanting to "earn it” by pressing too much?  Who really knows what is going on?

 

 

It's Hurts tendency to pre-determine where he's going with the ball....

1 hour ago, VeeMak said:

You're delusional.  

Sometimes the truth is better when it's fiction

1 hour ago, VeeMak said:

I have said nothing about his distribution of targets.  It’s primarily his decision making that I’ve criticized.  So no narrative shift for me.  

Now you say "obviously there are targets to other receivers” after beating this drum that he is being ordered to only target 3.  The passing offense, much like most offenses, runs through 3 primary receiving targets.  This isn’t breaking news.  
 

KC is struggling on offense and they’re near the bottom of the league in ratio of targets to their top 4 (somewhere around 50%).  Most offenses overwhelmingly target 3-4 weapons.  
 

Hurts isn’t making the right reads consistently and he is bailing clean pockets too often.  He is having his best success when he stays in the pocket and throws on schedule and takes what a defense gives him.  As is true for about ANY QB in the league. 
 

Is BJ or Siri (or both) the problem?  I think it’s all 3 of them.  I also think they best understand Jalen’s weaknesses reading a defense and are doing what they can to simplify it for him.  The bomb INT to Quez was at the expense of a wide open Devonta on a crossing route.  The INT to AJ was at the expense of a wide open Gainwell.  Those are two throws that are 100 percent on Jalen.  The scheme drawn up worked in both cases.  The play got guys open, Hurts just missed them for whatever reason.  
 

Maybe it’s AJ’s personality?  Maybe it is the $250MM contract weighing on Hurts mind and wanting to "earn it” by pressing too much?  Who really knows what is going on?

 

 

That's fair, if you weren't calling for spreading the ball around.  A lot have.  My comments were after the Cowboys game when only those 3 were targeted, and Siri said "what other guys" and laughed.  Yes, offenses run through your top players.  Hurts has been criticized for not going through reads and missing open guys like Stoll, and Siri said he's told not to go through every read there's no time to look at every guy and that the offense runs through those 3.  I also said it could be a coach covering for Hurts.  We talk in a lot of different forums and topics here and there's a lot being said about the offense.  BJ, Siri, Hurts, O line, etc.  There are problems with all of them.  Once Siri started saying multiple times about the intended reads and design of the plays I thought it was relevant info.  Again, obviously not 100% no team does that.  The criticism has been on HURTS for not spreading the ball around, yet the coach says that's the plan...then also says of course they'd like to get other guys involved but it runs through those 3 which is sort of talking out of both sides of his mouth, and some coach speak.  My point about TE is with Goedert out, they don't target the backup TEs.  Calcaretta has 0 targets this year, Albert 0 has 1, Stoll has 7 and most of those aren't when Goedert was out.  With Goedert out, they don't even bother considering another TE in the passing game.  Is that Siri, BJ or Hurts not trusting them?  We don't know.  Ertz was available and they were fine with their TEs.  They signed Julio and he has 9 targets all year with only 6 catches.  They're also forcing to AJ way too much, whether that's Hurts or the coaches or both, like the INT against Seattle.

They did it, they solved it for us!!...

1 hour ago, Portyansky said:

They did it, the solved it for us!!...

Turkey Hill Post of The Day

16 hours ago, VeeMak said:

1st INT of the night was a 50/50 deep ball to Quez (not "top 3").  This is a false narrative that "they ONLY want to target top 3".  You state this in absolute terms (which is patently false) and you discount that ALL teams have primary playmakers that each team could be accused of "ONLY wanting to target" based on your flawed logic.

Eagles 2023:

82% of targets for top 4

49ers 2023:

80% for top 4 

Cowboys 2023:

70% for top 4

 

Are you counting receptions or attempts?

Because if you look at attempts its more like 80%. Hurts throws a ton to AJ and barely completes 60% of the time.

5 hours ago, opa-opa said:

Are you counting receptions or attempts?

Because if you look at attempts its more like 80%. Hurts throws a ton to AJ and barely completes 60% of the time.

Targets are attempts.  82% as noted in my previous post. 

I've been thinking about this a lot and I think that we can blame the coaches the scheme etc all we want, but it all really comes down to Hurts.

Hurts has probably played his worst 3 games in a row since the 49ers game. He looks frustrated, depressed, and most of all, he's just not having fun anymore.

Teams have obviously figured out this offense and how to defend him, and unless the coaches and Hurts somehow come up with something new to turn this around, we are pretty screwed.

 

25 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

I've been thinking about this a lot and I think that we can blame the coaches the scheme etc all we want, but it all really comes down to Hurts.

Hurts has probably played his worst 3 games in a row since the 49ers game. He looks frustrated, depressed, and most of all, he's just not having fun anymore.

Teams have obviously figured out this offense and how to defend him, and unless the coaches and Hurts somehow come up with something new to turn this around, we are pretty screwed.

 

well its the head coaches' responsibility to find out why hurts is depressed, frustrated and all that. don't get me wrong, hurts is not seeing the field at all and i'm not sure why that is but its up to the coaches to figure out all this and get on the same page.

if they are not able to do that with hurts, put in tanner mckee and see how things go because whats the point of going 1 and done in the playoffs? we might aswell see how the young guys look for us and look ahead

 

On 12/20/2023 at 7:55 AM, RunItBAck said:

Waiting around for McNaab to take us to the promise land did wonders

McNabb's prime was wasted by AR, Lurie and Roseman's arrogance 

He was given trash WR's to work with throughout his tenure 

7 hours ago, Birdman said:

McNabb's prime was wasted by AR, Lurie and Roseman's arrogance 

He was given trash WR's to work with throughout his tenure 

What did Roseman's arrogance have to do with McNabb? He wasn't even the GM until 2010.

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

What did Roseman's arrogance have to do with McNabb? He wasn't even the GM until 2010.

Banner, Roseman, same thing...

In a great system, they should be able to plug in any quarterback and for a lot cheaper, allowing them to upgrade other positions. For a $100 million qb, the expectation is SB or bust. Since for most, a SB win is unlikely, might as well go with the first option, a great team with a cheaper qb.

6 hours ago, ThinkGreen said:

In a great system, they should be able to plug in any quarterback and for a lot cheaper, allowing them to upgrade other positions. For a $100 million qb, the expectation is SB or bust. Since for most, a SB win is unlikely, might as well go with the first option, a great team with a cheaper qb.

Yeah thats how the Eagles made it to the SB last year and why the Niners will prob win it this year.

Aaron Rodgers never took the Pack to the SB again after they paid him.

They could have waited a season to back up the Brinks truck.

I was screaming for it. It wouldn't have costed that much more to pay him this offseason.

And you get another year to see if he passes the litmus test.

Hurts is working on getting Sirianni fired.

Just stop with the freaking turnovers. Play a clean game, Hurts!!

Although, it doesn't help when the OC comes out and says "we need more explosive plays". That gets into Hurts head, I would think. So then he goes out there and plays hero ball/backyard football by chucking up deep passes. While missing a wide open TE or WR3 or RB. UGH!!

28 minutes ago, LacesOut said:

Just stop with the freaking turnovers. Play a clean game, Hurts!!

Although, it doesn't help when the OC comes out and says "we need more explosive plays". That gets into Hurts head, I would think. So then he goes out there and plays hero ball/backyard football by chucking up deep passes. While missing a wide open TE or WR3 or RB. UGH!!

Agreed.  We should be fine if Hurts takes what the defense is giving him.  A missing piece in his game surprisingly.  Should know by now.