1 minute ago, judunno said:

Here's my take on the Season.

FO seeing the strength of schedule didn't think the Eagles would have a chance at another SB so fast. Started retooling/rebuild on defense missed out on CJG so they did some patchwork to stay competitive. Gave two inexperienced coordinators a shot for a mulligan year thinking maybe we'll get to the playoffs on the strength of the offensive talent alone. Then the unexpected happens. These dudes only lose 1 game now they're scrambling to make a Superbowl run... pick up Byard as probably sloppy seconds to what they really wanted. Get Shaq. Coordinators are showing their green so desperation sets in. Too late already lost the locker room. Hurts takes a step back due to this weird experiment with the coordinators and for whatever reason the addiction to the big play.

 

TLDR: FO miscalculated and Fd up what could gave been a great season with their decision making after the Superbowl.

The Eagles were contenders heading into FA…I agree on some your other points though.

But this year was never intended to be a rebuild of any sort. They just were cap strapped.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I was almost hate watching this team all year while they got lucky breaks to win games and then finally threw my hands up after the Bills game and said "winners win.” I spoke too soon. I should have stuck to my guns. It was obvious we weren’t that good. 

they were. its obvious theyre not playing at that level anymore.

I wonder how much better this defense would be with Fangio. My guess is they'd still have games where they get lit up and their weaknesses exploited, but they'd be better situationally and wouldn't have the historically awful trend on 3rd downs, but would be say in the late teens on 3rd down instead of dead last in almost all metrics.

Byard was not this bad in Tenn. Barnett was making plays yesterday for the Texans. Bradberry should not have fallen off a cliff when he's barely 30 years old it's not like he's 35. Everyone seems to be playing worse this season than last season and that to me is usually a sign of bad coaching when it happens collectively.

Maybe we think say the drop off in safety was significant because they were coached better last season. CJGJ led the NFL in INTs last season. It's not like when he came to Philly he was this renowned ball hawk who dominated the league. But he made plays. Epps is a mediocre safety, but they were able to coach him up to where he played respectably most of the season. Talent wise I don't think Epps is any better than Byard or Blankenship.

Maybe the talent drop off isn't as big, and it seems that way because the coaching got more out of last year's players and aren't this year.

1 minute ago, Iggles25 said:

You just lost to the Drew Lock led Seahawks with no Devon Witherspoon on defense.

It should all be burnt to the ground.

If Geno Smith had played tonight I gotta think SEA wins by 14+ points.

And, no ….. I don’t think Geno is that good.  More competent than anything 

I've never been more depressed to be playoff bound with three games left to play.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Leave me out of the nonsense. I don’t think you’re being racist, just ridiculous.

Im right. Hes selfish. Some of us noticed it in his first year. And second year. Then it was ok when we were winning and everyone was happy. Not its rearing its ugly head again. 

5 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

The Eagles were contenders heading into FA…I agree on some your other points though.

But this year was never intended to be a rebuild of any sort. They just were cap strapped.

I disagree... they clearly wanted to go in another direction with the defense but ended up resigning some vets. They are in the middle of a youth movement on defense with a lot more work to do. Slay and Bradberry isn't what they really wanted to do. I also don't believe they were contenders in FA.

So we've proven we can't beat good teams, Dallas and SF.

We've also proven we can't beat average or mediocre teams like Seattle. 

Now the question is can we beat bad teams?  That's all that is left on the schedule before playoffs. 

13 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

It's definitely both. The defensive line issues are not personnel. This line was awesome for weeks and then completely disappeared. I don't want to hear they're tired, this is the NFL, suck it up. Seattle's OL stinks and it was Drew Lock. How they got next to no pressure in this game was a Fing joke. And even if you wanted to use fatigue as an excuse, that's on the staff for not rotating other guys in more.

The most annoying this about this is it doesn't feel like they're in a funk, it feels like they've been figured out. I don't think this team is going to "get on a roll" even if they win the next 3 games. I just don't think they're very good and haven't been all year. They've never looked good.

DL lacks depth particularly at DT. Milton Williams should be on a milk carton. He’s not been good this year. He really good end of last year. Cox is old and slowing down. Davis and Carter are playing way too many snaps. And they traded away a DT.

They lost hargrave. He’s a Fing pro bowler for a reason and a veteran. So he’s done it for 17 games and playoffs. Suh and Joseph were really good last year. You have crap depth at DT. And at DE sweat and reddick while still good this year are not playing at the level they did last year. And frankly Graham shouldn’t be this relied upon at 34.

let’s just go through positional group from last year to this year. It is almost a significant downgrade at every single one of them.

safety: Epps, CJGJ and Blankenship vs. Blankenship, byard, brown (edmunds/Evans)

 significant downgrade. CJGJ was their best safety. And Epps was a solid starter and Blankenship as a 3rd safety was like having another starter. whereas your depth here this year is inexperienced or just bad. Byard is slow and an average player this year. 

corner: bradberry, slay and maddox/CJGJ vs. bradberry, slay, maddox (hurt)/Roby 

downgrade as bradberry has regressed. Maddox has missed practically the entire year. And they didn’t hVe CJGJ that could move down to play slot at a high level when he got hurt.

LB: white, Edwards, Dean vs. Leonard, morrow, Cunningham and Dean (injured)

Significant downgrade. White and Edwards were at least competent and above average linebackers. They were still getting targeted and mismatch. But it wasn’t nearly as bad as it is right now. And they were also better against the run then what you’re getting out of anybody that’s not named Zach Cunningham. This is a massive downgrade.

DT: hargrave, suh, Cox, Joseph, Davis, Williams vs. Carter, Davis, Williams, Cox and tui

Significant downgrade. Hargrave again what is a pro bowler. He did it in the regular season in the postseason. As great as Carter is going to be, he’s not there yet. David has never played this many snaps, and frankly, since he got hurt kind of like last year. He hasn’t been is good. Cox is older and not playing as well as he was early in the year. I’m not worms hasn’t shown up like he did at the end of last year at all this year. Plus the fact you lost Suh and Joseph who are playing pretty freaking well for the Eagles. They were super deep and super talented. They aren’t deep and frankly lacking high end talent besides Carter as Davis has tailed off as the season has carried on. 

pass rush: reddick, graham, Quinn and sweat vs. sweat, smith, reddick and graham 

its a downgrade cause I do not think reddick is playing like a DPOY. Still good not like last year. And sweat is still playing well just not as good as last year. And graham also not as consistent.

then, when you add they don’t have a good dc and you replaced with either young inexperienced players or guys who aren’t as good you’re gonna have a Fing problem. The defense is more personnel. If you had a good defensive coordinator, they might get a little more out of this group. But I still think they’re gonna have largely the same issues that they have now. Which is they can’t get off the field when I need to and teams exploit the mismatches repeatedly 

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Imagine making a car with so much focus on speed, that you forget to give it brakes.

You have the Model S Plaid. And the philadelphia eagles.

You know those brakes are too small to stop a car so heavy and fast. But you know you are gonna run a fast quarter mile and hope it can slow you down just enough to avoid disaster at the end of the drag strip. 

You know those brakes are a diaster waiting to happen. But whats more frustrating is.... if that car thats supposed to be fast somehow is not running fast at all. Theres no excuse for it to be happening. 

Last season you could say they were tesla plaid.

This year they regressed to model 3 & down to toyota prius

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

the coordinator issue on defense has fooled you in to thinking its personnel. thats how bad the coordinator issue has been. 

Sure… 

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I wonder how much better this defense would be with Fangio. My guess is they'd still have games where they get lit up and their weaknesses exploited, but they'd be better situationally and wouldn't have the historically awful trend on 3rd downs, but would be say in the late teens on 3rd down instead of dead last in almost all metrics.

Byard was not this bad in Tenn. Barnett was making plays yesterday for the Texans. Bradberry should not have fallen off a cliff when he's barely 30 years old it's not like he's 35. Everyone seems to be playing worse this season than last season and that to me is usually a sign of bad coaching when it happens collectively.

Maybe we think say the drop off in safety was significant because they were coached better last season. CJGJ led the NFL in INTs last season. It's not like when he came to Philly he was this renowned ball hawk who dominated the league. But he made plays. Epps is a mediocre safety, but they were able to coach him up to where he played respectably most of the season. Talent wise I don't think Epps is any better than Byard or Blankenship.

Maybe the talent drop off isn't as big, and it seems that way because the coaching got more out of last year's players and aren't this year.

CJG if healthy would have won us this game today. Significant loss. Brown was clueless out there. CJG comes away with possibly two picks in this game.

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

So we've proven we can't beat good teams, Dallas and SF.

We've also proven we can't beat average or mediocre teams like Seattle. 

Now the question is can we beat bad teams?  That's all that is left on the schedule before playoffs. 

I can’t imbed tweets anymore, but this is where I’d put the Gannon in the jeep tweet 

1 minute ago, EagleMatt said:

Last season you could say they were tesla plaid.

This year they regressed to model 3 & down to toyota prius

excellent addition to that analogy. Spot on.

11 minutes ago, devpool said:

Maybe on defense. On offense, Brian Johnson is just as liable. Someone has to call the plays that allows hurts to make these idiotic decisions. Someone has to call 40+ pass plays when your running back is averaging 4 ypc. On defense, we all know it's mostly personnel. On offense, it's at the very least 50/50, but the coaches have to change the game plan when their qb is failing to do anything

I’m pretty sure he was referring to the defense as they made the change at coordinator on that side. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

DL lacks depth particularly at DT. Milton Williams should be on a milk carton. He’s not been good this year. He really good end of last year. Cox is old and slowing down. Davis and Carter are playing way too many snaps. And they traded away a DT.

They lost hargrave. He’s a Fing pro bowler for a reason and a veteran. So he’s done it for 17 games and playoffs. Suh and Joseph were really good last year. You have crap depth at DT. And at DE sweat and reddick while still good this year are not playing at the level they did last year. And frankly Graham shouldn’t be this relied upon at 34.

let’s just go through positional group from last year to this year. It is almost a significant downgrade at every single one of them.

safety: Epps, CJGJ and Blankenship vs. Blankenship, byard, brown (edmunds/Evans)

 significant downgrade. CJGJ was their best safety. And Epps was a solid starter and Blankenship as a 3rd safety was like having another starter. whereas your depth here this year is inexperienced or just bad. Byard is slow and an average player this year. 

corner: bradberry, slay and maddox/CJGJ vs. bradberry, slay, maddox (hurt)/Roby 

downgrade as bradberry has regressed. Maddox has missed practically the entire year. And they didn’t hVe CJGJ that could move down to play slot at a high level when he got hurt.

LB: white, Edwards, Dean vs. Leonard, morrow, Cunningham and Dean (injured)

Significant downgrade. White and Edwards were at least competent and above average linebackers. They were still getting targeted and mismatch. But it wasn’t nearly as bad as it is right now. And they were also better against the run then what you’re getting out of anybody that’s not named Zach Cunningham. This is a massive downgrade.

DT: hargrave, suh, Cox, Joseph, Davis, Williams vs. Carter, Davis, Williams, Cox and tui

Significant downgrade. Hargrave again what is a pro bowler. He did it in the regular season in the postseason. As great as Carter is going to be, he’s not there yet. David has never played this many snaps, and frankly, since he got hurt kind of like last year. He hasn’t been is good. Cox is older and not playing as well as he was early in the year. I’m not worms hasn’t shown up like he did at the end of last year at all this year. Plus the fact you lost Suh and Joseph who are playing pretty freaking well for the Eagles. They were super deep and super talented. They aren’t deep and frankly lacking high end talent besides Carter as Davis has tailed off as the season has carried on. 

pass rush: reddick, graham, Quinn and sweat vs. sweat, smith, reddick and graham 

its a downgrade cause I do not think reddick is playing like a DPOY. Still good not like last year. And sweat is still playing well just not as good as last year. And graham also not as consistent.

then, when you add they don’t have a good dc and you replaced with either young inexperienced players or guys who aren’t as good you’re gonna have a Fing problem. The defense is more personnel. If you had a good defensive coordinator, they might get a little more out of this group. But I still think they’re gonna have largely the same issues that they have now. Which is they can’t get off the field when I need to and teams exploit the mismatches repeatedly 

They traded away a DT and a DE. DL is toast.

Again. We lost to Zach Wilson and somehow managed to lose to a QB worse than him. 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Again. We lost to a QB worse than Zach Wilson in the same season. 

I’m not sure Lock is actually worse than Wilson. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im right. Hes selfish. Some of us noticed it in his first year. And second year. Then it was ok when we were winning and everyone was happy. Not its rearing its ugly head again. 

That INT to Love changed the trajectory of the game.

Worse case scenario: Eagles settle for a FG on that drive. Up 20-13 with Seahawks only able to tie.

Dude clearly is not a franchise QBs.

Without all the ass push stuff, he's merely an average QB.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im right. Hes selfish. Some of us noticed it in his first year. And second year. Then it was ok when we were winning and everyone was happy. Not its rearing its ugly head again. 

I would go so far as to say Hurts needs some John DeFilippo-to-Carson Wentz coaching.  He’s playing like he needs a hard kick in the ass from the coaches. 

4 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

So we've proven we can't beat good teams, Dallas and SF.

We've also proven we can't beat average or mediocre teams like Seattle. 

Now the question is can we beat bad teams?  That's all that is left on the schedule before playoffs. 

They beat Dallas.

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

the coordinator issue on defense has fooled you in to thinking its personnel. thats how bad the coordinator issue has been. 

Exactly.  The league is littered with teams playing rookies, street free agents, aging CBs, and underperforming pass rushers on defense.  Only they have the right DC.

Just now, Iggles25 said:

That INT to Love changed the trajectory of the game.

Worse case scenario: Eagles settle for a FG on that drive. Up 20-13 with Seahawks only able to tie.

Dude clearly is not a franchise QBs.

Without all the ass push stuff, he's merely an average QB.

If only Adams would have played.

Just now, ManuManu said:

I’m not sure Lock is actually worse than Wilson. 

We lost to a QB worse than Drew Lock 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m pretty sure he was referring to the defense as they made the change at coordinator on that side. 

OOOOORRRRR since the coordinator issue is on defense, he was likely referring to all of the people continuously bashing Brian Johnson while Hurts plain as day single handedly kills this team's chances with poor decision making, inability to go through progressions, unwillingness to navigate a pocket, and turnovers. The player issue is on offense.