Just now, judunno said:

They beat Dallas.

They avoided losing to Dallas.....and KC....and Buffalo....and Washington.

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I wonder how much better this defense would be with Fangio. My guess is they'd still have games where they get lit up and their weaknesses exploited, but they'd be better situationally and wouldn't have the historically awful trend on 3rd downs, but would be say in the late teens on 3rd down instead of dead last in almost all metrics.

Byard was not this bad in Tenn. Barnett was making plays yesterday for the Texans. Bradberry should not have fallen off a cliff when he's barely 30 years old it's not like he's 35. Everyone seems to be playing worse this season than last season and that to me is usually a sign of bad coaching when it happens collectively.

Maybe we think say the drop off in safety was significant because they were coached better last season. CJGJ led the NFL in INTs last season. It's not like when he came to Philly he was this renowned ball hawk who dominated the league. But he made plays. Epps is a mediocre safety, but they were able to coach him up to where he played respectably most of the season. Talent wise I don't think Epps is any better than Byard or Blankenship.

Maybe the talent drop off isn't as big, and it seems that way because the coaching got more out of last year's players and aren't this year.

Byard on film was slow as crap with the titans this year and not playing well there. 

1 minute ago, judunno said:

CJG if healthy would have won us this game today. Significant loss. Brown was clueless out there. CJG comes away with possibly two picks in this game.

Maybe. And maybe if the Eagles kept him, he'd have sucked this year too and regressed like the rest of the defense. Maybe if the Eagles kept TJ Edwards and White, they'd be playing like crap in this defense. I mean... everyone else is playing like crap compared to last season. Why would it be crazy to assume they would be as well if the Eagles kept them?

I don't know either way, it's impossible to know what would have been. But that's the point. I don't think you can rule anything out. Maybe it is the talent, but maybe the coaching this year just really stinks to high heaven and aren't getting a lot out of their talent and putting them in positions to fail. And that's beyond the coordinator. They lost a highly respected DB coach who players loved.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I would go so far as to say Hurts needs some John DeFilippo-to-Carson Wentz coaching.  He’s playing like he needs a hard kick in the ass from the coaches. 

The coach relationship is probably too friendly. Either that or they are encouraging what Jalen is doing 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Maybe. And maybe if the Eagles kept him, he'd have sucked this year too and regressed like the rest of the defense. Maybe if the Eagles kept TJ Edwards and White, they'd be playing like crap in this defense. I mean... everyone else is playing like crap compared to last season. Why would it be crazy to assume they would be as well if the Eagles kept them?

I don't know either way, it's impossible to know what would have been. But that's the point. I don't think you can rule anything out. Maybe it is the talent, but maybe the coaching this year just really stinks to high heaven and aren't getting a lot out of their talent and putting them in positions to fail. And that's beyond the coordinator. They lost a highly respected DB coach who players loved.

It's talent and the coaching on the defensive side. It can be both. Aging out and coordinators treating them like they're spring chickens. Whens the last time you haven't seen the DL have a great rotation.

 

7 minutes ago, judunno said:

They traded away a DT and a DE. DL is toast.

Yup. Go through positional group by positional group on defense. tell me they didn’t downgrade (some significantly)at every one of those positions. And then on top of all of this they went with desai who wound up being a bad defensive coordinator. And replaced him with Patricia who’s isn’t good when he hasn’t had belichick. 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Same as it ever was.

 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Ooooor their personnel at every positional units on defense has been downgraded from last year… 

again, thats the coordinator issue fooling you.

Meanwhile on offense, RB is less productive compared to last year (player issue). OL is still excellent but not as dominant as last year. same players. same OL coach. Regressed a bit. Player issue. And QB is a mess. Player issue. And, fumbles- player issues.

 

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

They avoided losing to Dallas.....and KC....and Buffalo....and Washington.

Win is a win. Now they are losing of course. DL has no gas left on the defensive side. Hurts playing hero ball due to the pressure of thinking he has to put up big points to compensate for the D. Domino effect.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Nice. What i said the other day. Changing your DC isn’t the fix you think it’s going to be. Frankly cause Patricia is also not very good but your personnel isn’t good enough and it’s an offseason fix.  

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

DL lacks depth particularly at DT. Milton Williams should be on a milk carton. He’s not been good this year. He really good end of last year. Cox is old and slowing down. Davis and Carter are playing way too many snaps. And they traded away a DT.

They lost hargrave. He’s a Fing pro bowler for a reason and a veteran. So he’s done it for 17 games and playoffs. Suh and Joseph were really good last year. You have crap depth at DT. And at DE sweat and reddick while still good this year are not playing at the level they did last year. And frankly Graham shouldn’t be this relied upon at 34.

let’s just go through positional group from last year to this year. It is almost a significant downgrade at every single one of them.

safety: Epps, CJGJ and Blankenship vs. Blankenship, byard, brown (edmunds/Evans)

 significant downgrade. CJGJ was their best safety. And Epps was a solid starter and Blankenship as a 3rd safety was like having another starter. whereas your depth here this year is inexperienced or just bad. Byard is slow and an average player this year. 

corner: bradberry, slay and maddox/CJGJ vs. bradberry, slay, maddox (hurt)/Roby 

downgrade as bradberry has regressed. Maddox has missed practically the entire year. And they didn’t hVe CJGJ that could move down to play slot at a high level when he got hurt.

LB: white, Edwards, Dean vs. Leonard, morrow, Cunningham and Dean (injured)

Significant downgrade. White and Edwards were at least competent and above average linebackers. They were still getting targeted and mismatch. But it wasn’t nearly as bad as it is right now. And they were also better against the run then what you’re getting out of anybody that’s not named Zach Cunningham. This is a massive downgrade.

DT: hargrave, suh, Cox, Joseph, Davis, Williams vs. Carter, Davis, Williams, Cox and tui

Significant downgrade. Hargrave again what is a pro bowler. He did it in the regular season in the postseason. As great as Carter is going to be, he’s not there yet. David has never played this many snaps, and frankly, since he got hurt kind of like last year. He hasn’t been is good. Cox is older and not playing as well as he was early in the year. I’m not worms hasn’t shown up like he did at the end of last year at all this year. Plus the fact you lost Suh and Joseph who are playing pretty freaking well for the Eagles. They were super deep and super talented. They aren’t deep and frankly lacking high end talent besides Carter as Davis has tailed off as the season has carried on. 

pass rush: reddick, graham, Quinn and sweat vs. sweat, smith, reddick and graham 

its a downgrade cause I do not think reddick is playing like a DPOY. Still good not like last year. And sweat is still playing well just not as good as last year. And graham also not as consistent.

then, when you add they don’t have a good dc and you replaced with either young inexperienced players or guys who aren’t as good you’re gonna have a Fing problem. The defense is more personnel. If you had a good defensive coordinator, they might get a little more out of this group. But I still think they’re gonna have largely the same issues that they have now. Which is they can’t get off the field when I need to and teams exploit the mismatches repeatedly 

Missing one key regression. Hint, we made him the highest paid player in NFL history.

Edit: nvm you’re just doing defense. I’m tired.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

again, thats the coordinator issue fooling you.

Meanwhile on offense, RB is less productive compared to last year (player issue). OL is still excellent but not as dominant as last year. same players. same OL coach. Regressed a bit. Player issue. And QB is a mess. Player issue. And, fumbles- player issues.

Again no it isn’t. Their defense has a personnel issue and a DC issue. They downgraded across every positional group and have two bad DC.  

Never thought #3 seed would be in play 

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

Missing one key regression. Hint, we made him the highest paid player in NFL history.

We talking defense and offense. Or just defense. I’m pointing out strictly at defense. 

They downgraded in talent, that isn't a question. Still don't think the fall off should be that drastic though. They were a top 5 defense this season and this season they're a bottom 5 defense. And I know they lost a lot. But the guys they lost were not HOFers. It's not like the defense lost Aaron Donald, Ray Lewis, and Deion Sanders. If that happened it would be like ok, I get it. But their best defensive players are still here.

That's why I put the emphasis on coaching. Coaching is supposed to mitigate the loss in talent by piecing together ways to make them respectable, although not elite.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

We talking defense and offense. Or just defense. I’m pointing out strictly at defense. 

Yup just corrected my post

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Nice. What i said the other day. Changing your DC isn’t the fix you think it’s going to be. Frankly cause Patricia is also not very good but your personnel isn’t good enough and it’s an offseason fix.  

Multiple offseasons.

This takes two drafts to fix.

2025 will be the sweet spot.

 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I hope we don’t lose him at the end of all this. He’s one of the only likeable players who isn’t about to retire.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Brian Johnson and Nick Sirianni deserve each other.

Bums.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

This definitely is karma for the MVS drop

Smith dropped one just like that recently:(

That Kelce false start loomed pretty large in retrospect. Just watching highlights, not that he is even close to the top of my list of issues by any means.