So is it even worth watching us Christmas Day and risk being depressed when we lose again ?

2 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

So is it even worth watching us Christmas Day and risk being depressed when we lose again ?

The short answer is no. The longer answer is absolutely not why do that to yourself. 

8 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

So is it even worth watching us Christmas Day and risk being depressed when we lose again ?

You won't be able to help yourself.  We will win and Christmas will be a good day.

I can normally stick with a team as a fan, even when things are not going well.

But, when there are problems that you could easily fix, and you simply choose not to, I’m out.

They have a finesse running game, yet have refused to play the one back who could bring physicality and a different dimension.

Your offense is struggling and you desperately need to lean on the strength of your team (OL and run game), but Penny remains inactive.

I don’t give a F what they think they have seen to not trust him, they are flat out stupid to not try it.

F every coach on this team.

5 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

I hope we don’t lose him at the end of all this. He’s one of the only likeable players who isn’t about to retire.

Talk about wasting a talent. We have an elite route running, Heisman Trophy winning WR and they throw him WR screens and ask him to block more than they utilize what he's good at. 

28 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The OC right now is the easy piece to change. You can’t change too many of the players for various reasons but the OC can change. They did it with the DC and now they need to do it with the OC.

That won't happen until the offseason, at the soonest.   But, I think he's here as the OC next year.    And part of this will absolutely stem from the fact that he's got a special relationship with Hurts.    And I think to a certain extent... that's part of the problem.  

1 minute ago, Parrot Head said:

I can normally stick with a team as a fan, even when things are not going well.

But, when there are problems that you could easily fix, and you simply choose not to, I’m out.

They have a finesse running game, yet have refused to play the one back who could bring physicality and a different dimension.

Your offense is struggling and you desperately need to lean on the strength of your team (OL and run game), but Penny remains inactive.

I don’t give a F what they think they have seen to not trust him, they are flat out stupid to not try it.

F every coach on this team.

I mean look I’m not sure a lot of these issues are fixable. The defense is what it is. It’s old in the secondary and teams negate an underperforming DL.

The offense is just an issue full stop. The players aren’t executing. The QB is missing players and not seeing the field. The scheme is freaking awful and the play caller is outright bad. There are so many issues with the offense that whilst the talent is there I’m not sure they can be fixed now. Not during the season anyway.

27 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

So is it even worth watching us Christmas Day and risk being depressed when we lose again ?

I'm going to DVR the game.   I might watch it later... I might not.  

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

That won't happen until the offseason, at the soonest.   But, I think he's here as the OC next year.    And part of this will absolutely stem from the fact that he's got a special relationship with Hurts.    And I think to a certain extent... that's part of the problem.  

I mean if not the OC then change the play caller. Because quite frankly that sends an awful message through this organisation. So the defense with less talent, more injuries and guys who are washed up need to change? But the offense who’s simply not producing can just carry on as they are?

5 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

I hope we don’t lose him at the end of all this. He’s one of the only likeable players who isn’t about to retire.

If I were him, I'd absolutely be looking to go elsewhere right now.   He's an afterthought, despite the lip service.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean if not the OC then change the play caller. Because quite frankly that sends an awful message through this organisation. So the defense with less talent, more injuries and guys who are washed up need to change? But the offense who’s simply not producing can just carry on as they are?

I agree it should change.  But, I told you why I don't expect it will change.

4 hours ago, Know Life said:

Right. But what about the 12-play drive in the 3rd quarter? Is that another example of scripted plays working?

I guess I’m confused as to how many plays are actually scripted and how many are called on the fly. After Seattle got it to 17-13, I feel like the offense kind of panicked, hence the shot to Quez, when they should’ve been more methodical and committed to controlling the clock.

Also

The drive in the third was the first drive after halftime. I’d assume they spent the break in time drawing up a rough script for that drive based off what they saw in the first half. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean look I’m not sure a lot of these issues are fixable. The defense is what it is. It’s old in the secondary and teams negate an underperforming DL.

The offense is just an issue full stop. The players aren’t executing. The QB is missing players and not seeing the field. The scheme is freaking awful and the play caller is outright bad. There are so many issues with the offense that whilst the talent is there I’m not sure they can be fixed now. Not during the season anyway.

I referenced one specific issue that can be fixed, or at least tried, and they refuse.

Watching SEA take complete control in the 2nd half with a power, physical run game made me want to puke.

All while we rely on Swift trying to make highlight cuts with our finesse game.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

I agree it should change.  But, I told you why I don't expect it will change.

No I know bud I know. And sadly I agree with your reasons why they won’t change. But for me that kind of messaging and inconsistency is why this team is in the position it is in. The HC has lost his way because he doesn’t really know how to handle losing.

Just now, Parrot Head said:

I referenced one specific issue that can be fixed, or at least tried, and they refuse.

Watching SEA take complete control in the 2nd half with a power, physical run game made me want to puke.

All while we rely on Swift trying to make highlight cuts with our finesse game.

Thing is the fact they’ve not turned to Penny all year? I mean there’s reason for that. They obviously are seeing in practice that the guy just does not have it.

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Thing is the fact they’ve not turned to Penny all year? I mean there’s reason for that. They obviously are seeing in practice that the guy just does not have it.

Then they are fing stupid for not even trying it. What do they have to lose at this point?

Also, we've seen the guy be dynamic as hell as recently as last year.

Sorry, but the coaches don't get that benefit of doubt from me anymore, they are flat out stupid for not playing him.

1 minute ago, Parrot Head said:

Then they are fing stupid for not even trying it. What do they have to lose at this point?

Also, we've seen the guy be dynamic as hell as recently as last year.

Sorry, but the coaches don't get that benefit of doubt from me anymore, they are flat out stupid for not playing him.

I don’t know bud I really don’t. I never ever thought we’d be in this position so I’m just incredibly frustrated and disappointed. I love the NFL and this team is a hard watch and to be honest I’m going to have to turn them off to try and enjoy the rest of the season. That’s where I’m at.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Is it the $250M QB, the $100M WR, the all pro RT. The All Pro C. The Heisman winning WR, the highly paid TE or the highly paid LT.  Maybe the All Pro LG.

Exactly which personnel on offense is the problem, when these same guys last year were easily top 5 offensively?

 

The OC has to take some blame.  Sorry DGunn.

Like i said earlier i think dgunn was taking a jab at the eagles for firing their DC and then losing a game to a backup Qb where they allowed lock to be 4-4 on 3rd and 10+ with a 158.3 Qb rating, scoring on 3 of 5 possessions in the second half and same issue at the end of the halves where they allowed an offense to score in just over a minute which was an issue with desai.

On offense it’s both personnel as in your Qb who’s not playing well, oline who’s run blocking looks good one play then terrible the next and WRs like quez actually being allowed to be on this team.  

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Thing is the fact they’ve not turned to Penny all year? I mean there’s reason for that. They obviously are seeing in practice that the guy just does not have it.

Then cut him and bring in a younger player that might have some upside.

I think they’re done. The defense absolutely sucks and the offense has underachieved the entire season. It’s going to be tough, picking up the pieces after last night. I hope they prove me wrong though.

Somehow, Sirianni sounded dumber than this in his presser.

 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Then cut him and bring in a younger player that might have some upside.

Hey I don’t disagree! They cut Sermon and I mean last week that guy showed a little something.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Then cut him and bring in a younger player that might have some upside.

Exactly. The same can be said about players that offer nothing even though they are on the field. (J.Jones)

I know it’s an Eagles trope to fall in love with the coordinator that left, but it’s hard to deny Steichen made this offense go. What he’s doing in Indy with Minshew and barely any talent is commendable. Meanwhile it feels like we reverted back to 2021 when Sirianni was calling plays. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Like i said earlier i think dgunn was taking a jab at the eagles for firing their DC and then losing a game to a backup Qb where they allowed lock to be 4-4 on 3rd and 10+ with a 158.3 Qb rating, scoring on 3 of 5 possessions in the second half and same issue at the end of the halves where they allowed an offense to score in just over a minute which was an issue with desai. 

He said 'coordinators' (plural).  And the offense needs to score more than 17 points.   This loss, just like the others was a whole team affair.  And the QB, personnel-wise, takes a HUGE chunk of it... as much as Bradberry, frankly.   But, the issues with the offense continue, and contrary to some opinions, its not all down to the QB.   And a large part of it is the team's willingness to rely on the Shove so much.  Having that in the back pocket, you'd think in certain spots they'd use 3rd and 1 as an opportunity for a shot play.  If its there take it, if not, throw it away and run the Shove on 4th.  Yet, they continually run the Shoe on 3rd down.   This scheme is bad.  Its bad from 20 to 20, and gets frighteningly bad inside the red zone.  Frankly, it is only BECAUSE of the personnel we have that the offense looks even mildly competent.  This offense SHOULD be much better.  Yes, the QB is holding them back a bit, but at the same time, so is the coordinator.   And they've fallen victim to their own success with the Shove.  I think its a great weapon to have on FOURTH down, or super high leverage 3rd downs, but they go to that well way too frequently.  At this point, I hope it gets banned so that the coaching staff actually comes up with some creativity.  I can't remember the last truly creative thing we've seen, or times we've seen receivers SCHEMED open.

 

The defense has their problems.  The offense does too, and their issues really are not personnel.