1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I know it’s an Eagles trope to fall in love with the coordinator that left, but it’s hard to deny Steichen made this offense go. What he’s doing in Indy with Minshew and barely any talent is commendable. Meanwhile it feels like we reverted back to 2021 when Sirianni was calling plays. 

100%! This feels like 2018 when Groh got promoted to OC and they tried to run it back. There’s no wrinkles to this offense. There’s nothing creative. They needed to go outside to get fresh eyes on this and they didn’t.

8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Hey I don’t disagree! They cut Sermon and I mean last week that guy showed a little something.

Yeah... maybe our coaches don't have the best track record of talent evaluations... 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Yeah... maybe our coaches don't have the best track record of talent evaluations... 

No doubt about that bud. The FO also don’t seem to know when to move on from older players. We’ve been here before too.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I know it’s an Eagles trope to fall in love with the coordinator that left, but it’s hard to deny Steichen made this offense go. What he’s doing in Indy with Minshew and barely any talent is commendable. Meanwhile it feels like we reverted back to 2021 when Sirianni was calling plays. 

He is likely calling plays. That's the problem with hiring an inexperienced coordinator. He keeps his hand in the cookie jar. Hurts though has been a problem and there is no saving an offense when your franchise QB is a turnover machine and not taking what the defense is giving them. Starting to think the plays that we hate are an attempt to save Hurts from himself.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I know it’s an Eagles trope to fall in love with the coordinator that left, but it’s hard to deny Steichen made this offense go. What he’s doing in Indy with Minshew and barely any talent is commendable. Meanwhile it feels like we reverted back to 2021 when Sirianni was calling plays. 

The better question is, what would this coaching staff do with that dreck?   And yes... this is very much like the Sirianni offense.  Which is why elevating Johnson seems to have been a terrible mistake given his inexperience coaching at the NFL level.  If Johnson needs someone to lean on, he goes to Sirianni... and that's not helping.   We needed to add a veteran coaching presence... but they didn't offensively.  

Kelce admitted the referees have been warning him for a while and emphasized to him to stop moving the ball forward on tush pushes. They finally cracked down on it last night. 

Still can’t believe the blew that game last night, this team is a joke, looks like Sirianni is running his brothers D3 offense, Hurts is a shell of himself, people called for Wentz’s head when he played like this with zero talent at the skill positions, the defense finally gave them a chance to win and the offense couldn’t capitalize. This season can’t be over fast enough 

Just now, Fhalbig22 said:

the defense finally gave them a chance to win and the offense couldn’t capitalize.

This offense got the ball with 10 minutes to go knowing they had already run a 7:30 and an 8:30 drive. They started well and then inexcusably Hurts goes for it all and throws the INT. They then got the ball back with 6 minutes to go, brought it down to just under 2 minutes but gave the ball back. 2 missed opportunities to drain more clock and get some points at least.

6 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

What about my bonus of Penny 0 carries for 0 yards?

Interesting.  Did Penny "finish" the game?

After review the receiver did get both feet down  with possession of the ball.  The call on the field is overturned.

18 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean look I’m not sure a lot of these issues are fixable. The defense is what it is. It’s old in the secondary and teams negate an underperforming DL.

The offense is just an issue full stop. The players aren’t executing. The QB is missing players and not seeing the field. The scheme is freaking awful and the play caller is outright bad. There are so many issues with the offense that whilst the talent is there I’m not sure they can be fixed now. Not during the season anyway.

Agreed. The problems this team has are not fixable this year. Most people have been saying it all season and the close wins have given us the illusion that they just find ways to win and will fix these issues along the way. We’ve waited all year and nothing has really changed. This is the team and they are out of sync and not as good as the record says. Teams are not really worried about playing the Eagles. The way the 49ers insulted them on their home field showed that there isn’t much respect about this team’s ability right now. 
The bully mentality isn’t there any longer because they’ve been slapped around plenty this year, mostly on the defensive side..

Hurts was a rookie - subpar play

Hurts beat up a bad schedule on a loaded team, got carried in the playoffs and fumbled the one shot we had away

Hurts is back to playing like a rookie

 

Maybe last year was a fluke?

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He said 'coordinators' (plural).  And the offense needs to score more than 17 points.   This loss, just like the others was a whole team affair.  And the QB, personnel-wise, takes a HUGE chunk of it... as much as Bradberry, frankly.   But, the issues with the offense continue, and contrary to some opinions, its not all down to the QB.   And a large part of it is the team's willingness to rely on the Shove so much.  Having that in the back pocket, you'd think in certain spots they'd use 3rd and 1 as an opportunity for a shot play.  If its there take it, if not, throw it away and run the Shove on 4th.  Yet, they continually run the Shoe on 3rd down.   This scheme is bad.  Its bad from 20 to 20, and gets frighteningly bad inside the red zone.  Frankly, it is only BECAUSE of the personnel we have that the offense looks even mildly competent.  This offense SHOULD be much better.  Yes, the QB is holding them back a bit, but at the same time, so is the coordinator.   And they've fallen victim to their own success with the Shove.  I think its a great weapon to have on FOURTH down, or super high leverage 3rd downs, but they go to that well way too frequently.  At this point, I hope it gets banned so that the coaching staff actually comes up with some creativity.  I can't remember the last truly creative thing we've seen, or times we've seen receivers SCHEMED open.

 

The defense has their problems.  The offense does too, and their issues really are not personnel.

The offense i think has a play calling and personnel problem. It’s that your OC isn’t doing any favors to your Qb and the offense when dialing up randomness, hurts is playing like crap and been a Turnover machine/inconsistent all year and your run blocking one play will look good and the next we have guys not blocking the right guy or blocking no one. Second to last offensive possession we had the ball run blocking showed what it’s been like all year. Swift gains 11 yards. Guys blocked well. Next play on first down, not great blocking blocking and swift gets 3 yards. Swift took what he could get. They run again on 2nd down and they get absolutely  nothing cause the Seahawks DL just worked them. Their running game issues aren’t just swift not hitting a right hole. They’re inconsistent with their run blocking play to play. 

Hurts being a turnover machine and making bad decisions is on Hurts for continuously making bad decisions and careless with the ball. Having quez Watkins and garbage behind aj brown and smith is a personnel problem. Having Stoll and Calcaterra being basically useless behind goedert is a personnel problem. Run blocking being inconsistent play to play goes back to your players not playing well. Can attribute OC and sirianni for some of that. But some of this falls on personnel not doing their jobs but getting paid like they are.  

don’t get me wrong i don’t think on offense personnel is the biggest issue with the offense. Unless we are considering hurts turnovers and inconsistency as a personnel issue. Sirianni and Brian Johnson routinely look lost as the season has carried on with game plan and situational football.

That said also heard what dgunn talk about the Dc. 100% was a shot at the eagles for doing what they did and having similar end results in the second half on defense. 

The offensive coaching needs to start treating Hurts as a rookie or struggling backup.  
 

They need to simplify the game for him.  Don’t give him the free rein to change calls at the LOS.  Stop going for deep plays when every one is a disastrously bad throw.  Short stuff to TEs, Slants to AJ, digs to Smith.

He can’t handle a complex passing offense right now, so call the game you’d call if Mariota was playing.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

Hurts was a rookie - subpar play

Hurts beat up a bad schedule on a loaded team, got carried in the playoffs and fumbled the one shot we had away

Hurts is back to playing like a rookie

 

Maybe last year was a fluke?

I would say he is somewhere in between?! He has improved as a "passer”, but still doesn’t instill confidence that he can consistently make plays as a passer. Too much hot and cold for my liking. Plus, he misses the easy plays that need to be made.

 

Say what you want about Purdy and him only being good because of his playmakers and Shanahan, but the guy makes the easy throws that need to be made and are there to move the chains. Consistency (in a good way) goes a long way at the QB position.

 

41 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Thing is the fact they’ve not turned to Penny all year? I mean there’s reason for that. They obviously are seeing in practice that the guy just does not have it.

Then he shouldn’t have been taking up a roster spot all season. 

Although the D failed at the end and had some of the same issues, I think they played well enough to win this game. The game was there to be won and the offense didn’t come through.

Who has more passing yards Monday…Hurts or Devito?

1 minute ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Then he shouldn’t have been taking up a roster spot all season. 

Exactly. Why is even on the team? If he is that bad in their eyes, then cut him. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Who has more passing yards Monday…Hurts or Devito?

Danny devito 

23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Kelce admitted the referees have been warning him for a while and emphasized to him to stop moving the ball forward on tush pushes. They finally cracked down on it last night. 

smh... he knew better then. shame on me for assuming he wasn't warned

11 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

I would say he is somewhere in between?! He has improved as a "passer”, but still doesn’t instill confidence that he can consistently make plays as a passer. Too much hot and cold for my liking. Plus, he misses the easy plays that need to be made.

 

Say what you want about Purdy and him only being good because of his playmakers and Shanahan, but the guy makes the easy throws that need to be made and are there to move the chains. Consistency (in a good way) goes a long way at the QB position.

So much talk about game changers and game managers after the Cam Newton clip earlier in the week. It’s the game changer mentality that is ruining Hurts’ progression. Him running around the pocket, extending plays, launching YOLO balls deep and getting picked. For some reason, game manager is such an undesirable term when it’s really what a QB should be doing 75% of the time. I want Hurts to be a game manager 8 plays out of 10. 

3 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Then he shouldn’t have been taking up a roster spot all season. 

Penny is essentially this years sermon. 

3 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

Although the D failed at the end and had some of the same issues, I think they played well enough to win this game. The game was there to be won and the offense didn’t come through.

Yeah... Even in the end I was looking for one of those long time consuming drives that ended in a TD to seal the game like they were doing earlier in the season but nope.

Just now, BDawk_ASamuel said:

So much talk about game changers and game managers after the Cam Newton clip earlier in the week. It’s the game changer mentality that is ruining Hurts’ progression. Him running around the pocket, extending plays, launching YOLO balls deep and getting picked. For some reason, game manager is such an unbearable term when it’s really what a QB should be doing 75% of the time. I want hurts to be a game manager 8 plays out of 10. 

The thing is… Hurts doesn’t have a special arm. And he’s not some expert incredible pre snap reader of a defense. He’s athletic and what made him special was being smart, being in control and being a leader.