11 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Hurts has had a rough year especially with the turnovers, but I still put more on Johnson / Sirriani.

We've seen the player Jalen can be with a good OC.

And the best OL and two top WR andxa good TE. Basically,  the perfect situation most QB would be amazing in

Just now, Parrot Head said:

Oh, I don't put it all on the OC, but I just refuse to believe that Hurts has regressed this much from last year to this year. Especially when we see Steichen doing what he's doing in Indy.

Jalen is definitely contributing to the problems, but the coaches absolutely get paid to show him where to go with the ball and to hold him accountable if he doesn't do it in a game.

 

 

Hurts' issues are a lot less to do with play design, and much more with his hero complex. He can have the most fantastic coordinator with magical play designs and if he keeps playing hero ball hes going to be Fing up a lot of plays out there. 

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

Yah.

Both Blankenship and Brown are better box safeties IMO. Need that 3rd safety to have range and 4.3 speed.

That would be the issue with getting away from the Fangio stuff. We have three strong safeties at this point. Brown is fast, but at this point deep safety isn’t his thing. We don’t have a legit single high. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

What have you liked from Brown other than running the alley?

He's made a lot of plays out in center field, and has shown a willingness to play harder than most of our players.

I know he's had some missed tackles, etc, but I think he'll figure that stuff out and be a heck of a player.

On the first missed tackle, he slowed Walker down, yet Leonard just stood there watching instead of helping finish the play. Ugh.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

That would be the issue with getting away from the Fangio stuff. We have three strong safeties at this point. Brown is fast, but at this point deep safety isn’t his thing. We don’t have a legit single high. 

how is it not his thing? thats the one thing he really excels at. His range is ridiculous.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Hurts' issues are a lot less to do with play design, and much more with his hero complex. He can have the most fantastic coordinator with magical play designs and if he keeps playing hero ball hes going to be Fing up a lot of plays out there. 

Yeah, I agree, but I don't think he's to the level of Wentz.

We've seen him be coached hard after dumb stuff and make corrections. I just don't think they have been doing that this year.

BJ doesn't strike me as the guy to put his foot in someones ass.

Just now, Parrot Head said:

Yeah, I agree, but I don't think he's to the level of Wentz.

We've seen him be coached hard after dumb stuff and make corrections. I just don't think they have been doing that this year.

BJ doesn't strike me as the guy to put his foot in someones ass.

If he really needs the hard coaching like putting a foot in his ass, then hes by definition not that coachable. At least not anymore. 

2 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Yeah, I agree, but I don't think he's to the level of Wentz.

We've seen him be coached hard after dumb stuff and make corrections. I just don't think they have been doing that this year.

BJ doesn't strike me as the guy to put his foot in someones ass.

I love Hurts attitude but right now he isn’t playing well, and particularly not seeing the field well or particularly feeling the game. And then you have the turnovers.

He missed a wide open Smith towards the end of the half on a third down which would have helped get us some points, Gainwell was wide open on the last INT. There was another play he bailed out of the pocket way too early when the O-line had everyone blocked. 

I still think he gets this turned around though, at least his own play. 

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

how is it not his thing? thats the one thing he really excels at. His range is ridiculous.

Occasionally doing it isn’t the same as excelling at it. He was really late to get to Metcalf on the deep ball. He’s more box safety than deep safety. I’m d he cleans up his tackling he’d be really good at it. 

I'm tired of waking up feeling this sick and disgusted. F Hurts, F Nick, F BJ, F Lurie if he doesn't clean house or next year and the year after will be just as bad.

21 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Hurts has had a rough year especially with the turnovers, but I still put more on Johnson / Sirriani.

We've seen the player Jalen can be with a good OC.

Yep.  And Hurts is among one of the most coachable QB’s in the NFL.   If he’s making mistakes (he is) then the coaches need to find ways to get those mistakes corrected.  
 

I have yet to hear or read about a single report questioning Hurts’s mental makeup and ability to be coached (the way we would hear about Wentz’s ability to be coached). 

So if there’s a very coachable QB making the same mistakes, whose fault is it?  Is it just the QB’s fault or do the coaches share the blame for not coaching him on his mistakes? 

 

Whilst Hurts absolutely needs to do better in those spots… Why on earth on that first INT are they calling a deep shot there to Quez? This is a guy who’s not making any plays and hasn’t in a long time. I just don’t understand it. That’s just as bad as the Hurts throw.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm tired of waking up feeling this sick and disgusted. F Hurts, F Nick, F BJ, F Lurie if he doesn't clean house or next year and the year after will be just as bad.

Unfortunately I think there’s just too much to fix. I may be wrong and maybe a fresh set of eyes helps but I just don’t see it.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Occasionally doing it isn’t the same as excelling at it. He was really late to get to Metcalf on the deep ball. He’s more box safety than deep safety. I’m d he cleans up his tackling he’d be really good at it. 

He was right on time at the Metcalf play.  He looked like a defender caught in a debate over today's NFL rules.  He could have laid him out. He could have went for the ball.  He settled for a shoulder tap slightly after the ball arrived. 

If he didn't have to worry about a flag he could have popped him full speed right as the ball arrived. 

24 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Hurts has had a rough year especially with the turnovers, but I still put more on Johnson / Sirriani.

We've seen the player Jalen can be with a good OC.

QB coach…bring that guy back. He worked wonders last year. Enormous improvements from ’21.

1 minute ago, Joe Ball said:

QB coach…bring that guy back. He worked wonders last year. Enormous improvements from ’21.

So you mean demote BJ? 😊

For all the whining the 9ers did, they were right. This whole year feels like one big Fing lie. Enough to make me want to start drinking again. 😞

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm tired of waking up feeling this sick and disgusted. F Hurts, F Nick, F BJ, F Lurie if he doesn't clean house or next year and the year after will be just as bad.

yeah , as soon as we get bounced from the playoffs , heads should roll on entire coaching staff.

4 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Whilst Hurts absolutely needs to do better in those spots… Why on earth on that first INT are they calling a deep shot there to Quez? This is a guy who’s not making any plays and hasn’t in a long time. I just don’t understand it. That’s just as bad as the Hurts throw.

I’ve been saying this ad nauseam around here.  Quez is fast but he’s not great at tracking the ball and going up and getting it.  His strengths are getting the ball in stride on intermediate routes then using his speed for YAC. 
 

When was the last time Quez caught a contested ball that was thrown 40-50 yards in the air? 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I have yet to hear or read about a single report questioning Hurts’s mental makeup and ability to be coached (the way we would hear about Wentz’s ability to be coached). 
 

I think he's coachable within a specific system but you can't make the mistake of confusing effort/heart for skill. He has a very, very specific skillset. If the thought is that he can be coached to be Peyton Manning with enough time then that's stupid. He can't even be Vinny Testaverde. He can be Jalen Hurts and he needs to be the best version of that... which is running the ball, running it more, and then hitting wide open receivers after the defense has committed to stopping the run.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

And the best OL and two top WR andxa good TE. Basically,  the perfect situation most QB would be amazing in

Just saying things we are discussing with hurts right now (turnovers, decision making, locking onto receivers, hero ball and regressing and even OC/HC not helping him) are the same things dak went through last year. The only difference is Dak got hurt and missed some time. But eerily similar how the hurts is playing is comparable to Dak in 2022. And how the eagles defense is also getting more and more exposed as the season continued similarly to cowboys last year and their pass rush that was supposed to good didn’t consistently show up. Heck they might be the 5 seed and go to tampa then if they win have to play SF. 

Just now, mayanh8 said:

I think he's coachable within a specific system but you can't make the mistake of confusing effort/heart for skill. He has a very, very specific skillset. If the thought is that he can be coached to be Peyton Manning with enough time then that's stupid. He can't even be Vinny Testaverde. He can be Jalen Hurts and he needs to be the best version of that... which is running the ball, running it more, and then hitting wide open receivers after the defense has committed to stopping the run.

Amari Cooper would tell you Hurts looks like a black Dak at this point.

1 minute ago, mayanh8 said:

I think he's coachable within a specific system but you can't make the mistake of confusing effort/heart for skill. He has a very, very specific skillset. If the thought is that he can be coached to be Peyton Manning with enough time then that's stupid. He can't even be Vinny Testaverde. He can be Jalen Hurts and he needs to be the best version of that... which is running the ball, running it more, and then hitting wide open receivers after the defense has committed to stopping the run.

That seemed to work in past seasons (All the way to the Super Bowl last year)  - no idea why they’ve gotten away from that concept this season. 

 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Amari Cooper would tell you Hurts looks like a black Dak at this point.

you never see hurts on the bench looking at his tablet to see where he f'ed up. just sits there looking like he would rather be somewhere else,  does he even enjoy playing football?