I don't know if it was the illness last night but Hurts' throwing motion looked super slow.  

5 minutes ago, Godfather said:

Qb1 has had 1 passing td the last 3 games. MVP numbers right there

He’s on pace to match Dak’s 2022 numbers of 23 passing tds and 15 ints. And his Qb rating is close as Dak was 91 and hurts is 90. Both had QBR of 59.9 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Cutting Bradberry and designating him post June 1 is gonna cost $17M in dead cap over ‘24-25.

Howie blew it pretty bad there. 

Yeah.

On the other hand, if there was some way to play a defense where one CB primarily plays man, and the other CB primarily plays zone, both of our CBs could still be looking pretty damn good. 

Bradberry, every time he is getting beat, is getting beat in man coverage by go routes. If he can press, and break on balls in his short-intermediate area- hes still quite alright.

 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Even White was looking really good in Arizona before getting hurt. 

Believe it was solak who said the same thing. But also solak alluded to Gannon isn’t running a fangio style defense. Which makes me go back to the eagles as an organization have a philosophy that they want to run that style whereas Gannon isn’t as attached at the hip to it. It’s shown to be a defense that’s getting more and more exposed. Even fangio has gotten exposed by better offenses 

10 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

lol, well if it helps Hurts with decision making, read progression, etc. yes. Take away all the other stuff he’s doing since moving to OC and focus on the largest investment the team has made.

And look I think they’ve got to try it just because they need to establish where the big issues are with this offense. But that’s not going to help Hurts post snap where he’s making bad decisions.

At the end of the day, this offense has been relying on pure talent to win most of the season but when that talent gets out schemed defensively, you get what we’ve seen over the past 3 weeks.  In the NFL, talent can only get you so far.  Once you hit that point, you need to make adjustments and get better schematically. 

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

He can be really good when used correctly.

Look we can go back to his college days. We can go back to NFL plays he’s made. The reality is he’s not made plays for this team in a long while and he’s hurt the team on a number of occasions in big spots. He shouldn’t be out there regardless of what he can do if used correctly. He’s not been used correctly in a long time.

The problem isn't Hurts, he's on of the best pocket passers in the league. But the knee injury has cost him the burst that made the RPO work, but it was time to start moving on from the RPO in any case. But moving away from the RPO exposed the OL, Lane just isn't an elite player anymore, Jurgens hasn't stayed healthy at RG. They can run the ball, but not consistently.

There is far too much reliance on asking Brown and Smith to win one on one battles consistently, against any defense with good CBs, that ain't gonna happen every play. They don't have a competent 3rd WR, 2 TE, or use their RBs in the passing game efficiently. Johnson deserves some of the blame, but so does Siri, I'd bring in an OC who's worked with Shanahan/Reid and who can incorporate a short passing game into the offense - throw away the WR screens and learn how to run a conventional screen game (AR was brilliant at it with no more talent on his OLs).

But Howie deserves a lot of blame, he's too loyal to players who delivered for him, Bradberry had a very good year last season, but given his track record, shouldn't have counted on a repeat. Maddox got hurt again. Dean never developed or stayed healthy. But the real problem has been the DL, Cox got overused early b/c Howie didn't bring in a veteran DL to replace Hargrave in the short-run, Barnett was so bad Williams had to play DE, Smith needs a year in the weight room and so on. Asking Carter to carry the defense as a rookie is a bit much, no matter how talented.

Not sure they can fix much, other than hope that Brown and Ringo keep improving the next few games and solidify the secondary. Jobe and Ricks have proven they just aren't NFL material. Not sure what they can do at LB other than hope Leonard plays better with reps and health. On the offense, use the middle of the field, be more patient and use Swift as a receiver more and get him into space with the ball.

If they have a quick exit from the playoffs, Howie should "blow it up," eat a bunch of dead money, dump a lot of veterans, go with kids for a year, build a war chest, and take a step back to reload for 2025.

Just now, Ace Nova said:

At the end of the day, this offense has been relying on pure talent to win most of the season but when that talent gets out schemed defensively, you get what we’ve seen over the past 3 weeks.  In the NFL, talent can only get you so far.  Once you hit that point, you need to make adjustments and get better schematically. 

Pure facts. And this offense looks like 2020 which makes me believe Siri is in too much control. I'm in agreement with Seth Joyner that this is a philosophical thing coming from up top firmly based in analytics.

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

He can be really good when used correctly.

 

Go to 2:00 and 2:30 in this video:

Those are the type of plays Quez can excel at in the NFL.  (He had some nice contested catches in that highlight video but those were against lesser tiered college CB’s - he’s not getting those plays in the NFL)

The plays he can get are the ones at 2:00 and 2:30 when he gets open on shorter and intermediate routes, gets the ball in stride and then uses his speed to take off and get a ton of yards after the catch.  
 

Start with those types of plays, get his confidence up then go from there. 

There was a time (maybe his second year?) when he made a bunch of good catches. Not easy routine stuff. Good catches. And a lot of them seemed to come on 3rd downs. He was looking like a playmaker for sure.

That was short lived, and too far in the past now. Too many mistakes piled on top of each other.

Its time to move on. It was actually time to move on after last season and we failed at that. Letting Paschal walk, and not even replacing him let alone finding an improvement for Quez who was already only WR4 back then. Somehow Quez was promoted to WR3 after a bad year. Mistake. 

Its a little frustrating when people fail to remember or credit him for his stretch of very good play and potential that he showed, but at this point, theres no use arguing it either. Because hes never going to get back to that. And its not worth the risk of continuing to force feed him opportunities to try to prove it. Because hes only going to hurt you.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And look I think they’ve got to try it just because they need to establish where the big issues are with this offense. But that’s not going to help Hurts post snap where he’s making bad decisions.

Call me crazy but I think if he gets better at pre snap defensive alignment and coverage recognition it will improve his post snap performance, it should allow him to make his reads faster. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

At the end of the day, this offense has been relying on pure talent to win most of the season but when that talent gets out schemed defensively, you get what we’ve seen over the past 3 weeks.  In the NFL, talent can only get you so far.  Once you hit that point, you need to make adjustments and get better schematically. 

Eerily similar to things that were said at the end of the doug pederson era where we weren’t very creative and we were consistently get our scheme but had far less talent by the end of 2020 

8 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

I don't know if it was the illness last night but Hurts' throwing motion looked super slow.  

its always been slow.

Just now, Joe Ball said:

Call me crazy but I think if he gets better at pre snap defensive alignment and coverage recognition it will improve his post snap performance, it should allow him to make his reads faster. 

It might do but he’s not seeing open guys. He’s locking in based on what the play call is. Or if he’s not and he’s just ignoring the wide open guys then that’s an even bigger issue.

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Thing is the fact they’ve not turned to Penny all year? I mean there’s reason for that. They obviously are seeing in practice that the guy just does not have it.

Ohh I’m not so sure about that. He just lost it when? He was good last year and hasn’t really played at all this year. The Eagles prefer Gainwell, whatever the reason. 

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

its always been slow.

Yes.  I know he has a slow release but that looked like slo motion slow last night

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The problem isn't Hurts, he's on of the best pocket passers in the league. But the knee injury has cost him the burst that made the RPO work, but it was time to start moving on from the RPO in any case. But moving away from the RPO exposed the OL, Lane just isn't an elite player anymore, Jurgens hasn't stayed healthy at RG. They can run the ball, but not consistently.

There is far too much reliance on asking Brown and Smith to win one on one battles consistently, against any defense with good CBs, that ain't gonna happen every play. They don't have a competent 3rd WR, 2 TE, or use their RBs in the passing game efficiently. Johnson deserves some of the blame, but so does Siri, I'd bring in an OC who's worked with Shanahan/Reid and who can incorporate a short passing game into the offense - throw away the WR screens and learn how to run a conventional screen game (AR was brilliant at it with no more talent on his OLs).

But Howie deserves a lot of blame, he's too loyal to players who delivered for him, Bradberry had a very good year last season, but given his track record, shouldn't have counted on a repeat. Maddox got hurt again. Dean never developed or stayed healthy. But the real problem has been the DL, Cox got overused early b/c Howie didn't bring in a veteran DL to replace Hargrave in the short-run, Barnett was so bad Williams had to play DE, Smith needs a year in the weight room and so on. Asking Carter to carry the defense as a rookie is a bit much, no matter how talented.

Not sure they can fix much, other than hope that Brown and Ringo keep improving the next few games and solidify the secondary. Jobe and Ricks have proven they just aren't NFL material. Not sure what they can do at LB other than hope Leonard plays better with reps and health. On the offense, use the middle of the field, be more patient and use Swift as a receiver more and get him into space with the ball.

Agree with you on most of this but hurts is part of the problem. He consistently a turnover machine. He’s on pace for 21+ turnovers. Can’t say he’s not a problem when he’s turning over at the rate he is.

agree on the inconsistent run game, eagles lacking 3rd wr, 2nd TE and not using RBs out of the backfield more. Been saying this for weeks now. All of it is an issue when you have a lack of depth at WR and TE so you are just reliant on smith and brown and goedert. There’s no one else to help them if those guys have bad games or the talent on the other side can matchup to slow them down.

yup bradberry’s career has been one year good next year regression. It’s been pretty consistently that. DL depth isn’t there and guys are run down. Relying on maddox was always a blow up in your face especially with no CJGJ who could fill and Blankenship replaces him at safety when maddox got hurt. (I’d add Milton Williams regressed from where he was at the end of last year didn’t help their depth at DL). Asking Carter to be a pro bowl veteran like hargrave was asking for way too much too soon

They can’t really fix any of it til the offseason where they can add in FA and the draft. And frankly they need 2 LBs, depth at safety/potential starter, depth at DT and pass rush and likely a better option at slot corner. Also can try to move off bradberry and maybe sign someone like jaylon Johnson and have him and ringo as the long term starters and try to deal slay or keep him for another year then move on 

4 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It might do but he’s not seeing open guys. He’s locking in based on what the play call is. Or if he’s not and he’s just ignoring the wide open guys then that’s an even bigger issue.

From his Nfl.com draft profile:

Weaknesses

• Has issues sustaining rhythm as passer with so many off-schedule throws -yep ✅
• Inconsistent patience allowing routes to develop - improved this (almost to a fault)
• Slow recognition of early throw opportunities - yep ✅
• Leaves slants and crossers behind targets - pretty good at leading receivers now
• Misses checkdowns and opts for harder throws - YEP ✅
• Deep arm dip into elongated release - yep ✅
• Forced speedsters at OU and Alabama to slow for deep throws - maybe this is why Quez isn't as useful ? 
• Needs to get better at trusting his pocket - improved 
• Quick to drop his eyes when pressure mounts - YEP ✅
• More likely to void pocket than climb, scan and throw from it - YEP ✅

He's still relatively young but he has many weaknesses from college he still has issues with. It's gotta be a focus this offseason to clean some of these up

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hopefully we can bench Leonard when Cunningham is back. He’s completely cooked. I have a bad feeling Nick or Howie promised him playing time to get him to sign here. 

Somehow I'd imagine him playing like Ray Lewis if he went to Dallas instead. 😄😄

8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It might do but he’s not seeing open guys. He’s locking in based on what the play call is. Or if he’s not and he’s just ignoring the wide open guys then that’s an even bigger issue.

This is my biggest area of concern with Hurts.  On several pass plays last evening, he would lock in (almost pre snap) to the point that the secondary would leave receivers wide open underneath because they already knew where the ball was going.  
 

If you pay close attention to the play where Devonte Smith was wide open on the  underneath crossing route it’s because the secondary left him open because they were already playing the deep ball before Hurts even threw the pass.  That is concerning. 

We are stuck in a time loop. This is the same stuff that was said with Doug during the end of his tenure

 

We run the same fing 5 plays it’s broken down on every single nfl show for weeks, only last night they added two hospital screens 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

We are stuck in a time loop. This is the same stuff that was said with Doug during the end of his tenure

 

Nick is mirroring Doug's tenure and Hurts is mirroring Wentz's trajectory. It's scary. 

Nick & Doug: Average first year, Super Bowl year two, regression year three

Hurts & Wentz: Average first year starting, MVP level year two, regression year three

19 minutes ago, austinfan said:

 Hurts, he's on of the best pocket passers in the league.

Come on now.

27 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

I don't know if it was the illness last night but Hurts' throwing motion looked super slow.  

He looks slow mentally