4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Is it the $250M QB, the $100M WR, the all pro RT. The All Pro C. The Heisman winning WR, the highly paid TE or the highly paid LT.  Maybe the All Pro LG.

Exactly which personnel on offense is the problem, when these same guys last year were easily top 5 offensively?

 

The OC has to take some blame.  Sorry DGunn.

Exactly. This offense should be putting up big points each game. Game planning and play calling has been horrible. Brian needs to go. Should have kept him at QB coach. He's clearly not a good OC

I wasn't expecting the secondary to be great. I expected the Dline to still be above average. Definitely expected the offense to be putting up 30+ points each game

3 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

To be fair one INT wasn't his fault

3 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Then he shouldn’t have been taking up a roster spot all season. 

That's been brought up a few times and the answer in here has been they are saving him. For what?

Goes back to the idiots saying we're saving plays until the playoffs

Just now, Utebird said:

Yup, the shot to Watkins was stupid, watkins wasnt open, i get tossing the ball up to give your guys a chance but since when does watkins wins 50/50 balls??? the ball was a bit underthrown and late.

The shot to AJ to end the game was stupid bad decision bad throw just ugly stuff.

 

One on one that man Watkins is always open... didn't you get the damn memo. ELITE

2 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

We get to watch SF run an entire passing attack within 10 yards of the LoS, DAL basically through 1WR and an assortment of check downs and our solution to ‘situational football’ is Jalen heaving up the equivalent of contested 3 pointers… but the ball coach has all but said he’d rather be aggressive than smart.

You know who says that?  

 

 

 

Someone that doesn't know what 'smart' is says that.   Aggressive CAN be smart, if properly applied.  If properly timed and properly set up.   Why do we run the Shove on 3rd and 1 all the time?   When you have that ace in your sleeve, that gives you license to be aggressive on 3rd down, knowing that an incomplete pass on 3rd down will just mean that you run the Shove on 4th down to convert.  But, we pack it in tight on 3rd down... get a first down and somehow believe we've accomplished something.   We haven't.   And we have yet to see much variance off of it that leads to a big play.  If we run a variant we might get 4 or 5 yards instead of 1 or 2.  Big freaking deal.   Where's the play where the TE leaks out into the flat uncovered?   Last night we saw a variant and gained about 4 yards.  That's not impressive.  A variant off such a successful play should lead to an easy score, not an extra 2 or 3 yards.

We can be aggressive AND smart, it doesn't have to be either or.  Trouble is, it seems Sirianni doesn't understand that.   Aggressive for a TD when you don't need a TD and you need to kill clock is foolishness, especially if it is a low percentage chance of success to your least talented WR.  Would a TD to Watkins there been a death knell for the Seahawks?  Maybe.    Would taking another 5 minutes off the clock and getting a TD at the end have been a death knell?   Absolutely.  

2 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I think we’d need to change the nature of the run game as Hurts can’t take the punishment anymore, but yes the best solution for this defense this year is to keep them off the field for as long as possible.

Gee... its almost like the writing has been on the wall that centering your running game around your QB is a short term solution to a long term problem for years and years now.

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The over reliance on the Shove makes me question whether Sirianni is actually an offensive 'mind' or not.   

That's fair but what about last year where they were dominant offensively?

Was that all Steichen and Sirianni gets no credit?  If so then this year it should be all blame on BJ.

I think the players and coaches have to be on the same page and it seems like Hurts and BJ are not a good match. 

4 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

My guess it would be nobody. He was just talking to talk because nobody has any answers, including him.

The other, less likely, option is that we're seeing the AJ and Jalen relationship unravel in real-time. AJ's comments after the game and what we've been seeing from him throughout the season could be a trend.

Could just be his usual word vomit backfired on him. Just seemed weird how quickly he tried to backtrack on it and pretend like he didn’t know what "committed” meant. Almost like he let his frustration with something slip. 

In hindsight Howie definitely didn’t have a good off-season. The question is why. Did he calculate the money he needs for future free agents and they couldn’t afford to pay anyone else? Or did they just poorly evaluate the talent. I think there’s more of the latter. I don’t mind them keeping Bradberry in a vacuum. He was really good last season, who could have seen this fall? But their backup plan at LB and Safety was AWFUL. They couldn’t come up with something better than that? I remember during free agency every day goes by and you see all these LBs and safeties sign for cheap elsewhere and it’s like what in the F are the Eagles doing?

But because everyone trusts Howie people just assumed he had something up his sleeve, but he didn’t. 
 

I do trust Howie can fix problems in the off-season, he’s good at that. Howie struggles more with keeping good teams together than he does at fixing issues, that’s what he’s best at. But I still can’t get over just how much they neglected certain positions in free agency. And for the love of god, please invest in the back 7 with your premium picks just for Fing once instead of always drafting linemen,

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Exactly. This offense should be putting up big points each game. Game planning and play calling has been horrible. Brian needs to go. Should have kept him at QB coach. He's clearly not a good OC

I wasn't expecting the secondary to be great. I expected the Dline to still be above average. Definitely expected the offense to be putting up 30+ points each game

To be fair one INT wasn't his fault

That's been brought up a few times and the answer in here has been they are saving him. For what?

Goes back to the idiots saying we're saving plays until the playoffs

To be fair it was still a crappy throw   

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

This is such an odd comment by hurts.

I think its clear whatever meds he was on really impacted his decision making ...

Seriously though, starts out the comment by calling everyone out but ends by saying it starts with him...🤷‍♂️

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Curious who Hurts was calling out last night 

Yeah, sort of concerning.  First time I’ve seen Hurts blatantly calling others out.  Not a good approach, imo.   Hopefully it was mostly due to him still being sick.  (I know I’m miserable when I’m sick and when I’m like that, I don’t mince words)  

 

That sort of stuff needs to be addressed behind the scenes, locker rooms, meetings etc - not during a media press conference. 

No point discussing anything until this fraud 4 play o coord is gone. Then we can nitpick the other crap. 
 

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Exactly. This offense should be putting up big points each game. Game planning and play calling has been horrible. Brian needs to go. Should have kept him at QB coach. He's clearly not a good OC

I wasn't expecting the secondary to be great. I expected the Dline to still be above average. Definitely expected the offense to be putting up 30+ points each game

Peter principle on full display.

Sadly, we didn't really have options due to the long playoff run.  Same thing happened in 2017, but this time WITHOUT the parade.   

OK, well, after trying to sleep (edibles helped), here are some thoughts on yet another craptastic performance. I will say this -- I feel relief as I now accept that this team isn't good enough and isn't going to win anything. I'm back to 2021 levels. So I'll look for signs of hope here and there while having low expectations. I predicted 12-5, and we still might get there, but it's clear this team is completely broken.

1. It pains me to say this, but...the main issue on offense isn't Brian Johnson. Or Nick. It's Jalen Hurts. He is just playing awful football and looking to make hero plays when it is completely unnecessary. Last night, there were 3 easy examples -- the play Troy showed with Smith WIDE open but he went deep to AJ, the interception to Quez the checkdown was open, and the final throw to AJ he had Gainwell open for an easy 15 yards to get into FG range. My controversial take -- the Super Bowl last year is still in his head. In that game he made big play after big play, and it wasn't enough. Go back and look at some of the throws to Goedert -- they were insane tight window throws that no QB can make consistently. So now he's pushing for it; meanwhile, we haven't hit a deep ball in forever.

2. That's not to completely absolve Brian and Nick. They need to coach Hurts to take the underneath throws, and if he won't, stop calling shot plays. Coaches need to protect a player from himself. 

3. Also on the coaching, the offense is way too predictable. It's starting to feel a little Chip-esque. The last 3 games we have 19, 6 and 17 points. That's just insane given the talent on that side of the ball.

4. Last point on Hurts -- it seems he's going through the same thing as Josh Allen. Get superstar WR, ball out, come up juuuuuuuuuust short against the Chiefs, and then get reckless trying to be Superman. Allen is finally coming out the other side after 3 years -- we need Hurts to mature faster.

5. The offensive line was solid last night, and kudos to Opeta for holding up nicely. It's not their fault Jalen/Brian/Nick refused to just pound the ball in a 4 minute offense and end the game. No sacks allowed against a decent pass rush and running lanes were there. 

6. On defense, some of the changes were noticeable. On the first red zone stop, we actually blitzed on 3rd and long and tackled the guy short of the sticks. For whatever reason, we never seemed to repeat that. But it's hard to kill a team for giving up only 20. Patricia was fine.

7. I know CBs get old fast, but...damn. James Bradberry should be out of the league. 8 targets, 7 catches, 116 yards, TD, 118.8 rating. And the ENTIRE last drive was just throwing at him. If/when Slay is back, start one of the kids opposite him. Hell, I'd roll with Ringo/Ricks/Jobe/Roby next week. JB should be inactive -- he is unplayable. Took all game, but the Seahawks found the weak link.

8. Speaking of the kids -- Ringo/Ricks/Jobe were solid. I know Jobe got the PI, but that was a tough 1x1 cover on DK. It may have been Drew Lock, but it was still Metcalf, Lockett and Smith-Njigba. I still want to draft a CB, but going into next year with Slay, draft pick and those 3 actually inspires confidence.

9. I can't understand Nicholas Morrow. He is utter trash against SF, then has a good game last night. He's serviceable I guess. 

10. Jalen Carter made some plays. Cox too, and Graham. Reddick was completely MIA.

11. I appreciate the effort, but someone teach Sydney to tackle.

12.  If McNabb had a stretch like this, we'd be calling for his family to be murdered.

The throw to Quez was maddening because they were efficiently moving the ball before that on the drive and could have taken another couple of minutes off the clock that ultimately ended in a TD if they just moved down the field. It reminded me of the shot they took to AJ in the first Washington game that resulted in a TD towards the end of the game, when they could have ran more clock. I don't need Nick to admit it in a press conference and throw anyone under the bus, but he needs to coach as if this defense cannot be relied on. Because game after game this year they have shown that they can't be trusted. They need long drives on offense when nursing a lead in the fourth quarter and it needs to be borderline four-down territory on anything 4th and 5 or less if you're at or near midfield. 

I don’t think Hurts was calling out anyone I think it was just player speak. They speak in cliches. Let’s be real they aren’t the brightest people on the planet, and when they’re asked right after a game to explain the issues and have nothing to say they will speak in cliches.

we aren’t committed

we don’t have the right tenacity

 We lack focus

We need to be accountable

Every athlete on every team says the same stuff. IMO, it probably means nothing.

One more thought on Jalen Hurts -- we've been killing Brian Johnson the OC, but a lot of the issues now are decision making by the QB. Maybe the answer is Jalen misses Brian as his QB coach, and Alex Tanney either isn't doing the job or Jalen doesn't listen to him. Likely the former. It might not be that BJ is a terrible OC, it might be that we didn't replace him as QB coach.

It feels like Hurts is probably the only person behind Brian Johnson. 
 

I wouldn’t be committed to him either. 

this all was visible since week 1 when the team squeaked by the pats , same problems and nick has failed to correct any issues , just a bad coach.

4 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

That's fair but what about last year where they were dominant offensively?

Was that all Steichen and Sirianni gets no credit?  If so then this year it should be all blame on BJ.

I think the players and coaches have to be on the same page and it seems like Hurts and BJ are not a good match. 

It sure seems like it was all Steichen.  Sirianni was calling plays in 2021 and the offense was awful.  He turned it over to Steichen and it improved.   2022, they added Brown and the offense got even better.

2023... Brown is still here, Steichen is gone and the offense looks eerily similar to 2021 Sirianni level offense.

 

BUT, since Sirianni got credit for bringing Steichen in, Sirianni gets the blame for Johnson's failure.  They BOTH get the blame.  

 

Hurts and BJ seem to be too friendly to be effective as coworkers on this level.  It worked at QB coach - QB, with an OC over them.  It is NOT working as OC-QB.

35 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

This is my biggest area of concern with Hurts.  On several pass plays last evening, he would lock in (almost pre snap) to the point that the secondary would leave receivers wide open underneath because they already knew where the ball was going.  
 

If you pay close attention to the play where Devonte Smith was wide open on the  underneath crossing route it’s because the secondary left him open because they were already playing the deep ball before Hurts even threw the pass.  That is concerning. 

I'm curious what the coaches are telling him in his ear before snaps.

27 minutes ago, Godfather said:

He was out of the MVP race after we got wrecked by San Fran. But some people kept saying this week "he's got the 4th best odds still"

 

 

haha

I remember…😅

 

I was talking out of my ass when I said he is not even in the conversation… but +1000 said he was.😅

1 minute ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

No point discussing anything until this fraud 4 play o coord is gone. Then we can nitpick the other crap. 
 

Totally agree with this.

Until BJ is gone it doesnt really matter, hes just been so bad...the offense is so vanilla.

BJ finally ran some pre snap motion but it had no purpose, one doesnt run motion just for kicks and giggles, one runs it with a distinct purpose, shannahan, mcdaniels, Reid all understand this, BJ just ran a few motion plays without any purpose behind it other than to say he did...

Just stupid stuff all year by BJ.

Sadly i dont think Nick gets rid of him until he needs to make him a scapegoat and at 10-4 were not there yet.

 

Another thing to note - not sure if anyone mentioned it yet. - Pete Carroll has owned us since being with the Seahawks - improves to…drum roll…8-0 against us.  That’s sickening. 

51 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The problem isn't Hurts, he's on of the best pocket passers in the league. 

I'm one of the biggest Hurts' defenders in the blog and even I don't believe that.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

I'm one of the biggest Hurts' defenders in the blog and even I don't believe that.

Ditto.