15 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

To be fair one INT wasn't his fault

 

Which? Both were horrible decisions and bad under throws 

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

1. It pains me to say this, but...the main issue on offense isn't Brian Johnson. Or Nick. It's Jalen Hurts.

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13 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

To be fair one INT wasn't his fault

Which one wasn't his fault?  The YOLO to Watkins?   That's his fault.  The ball was horribly under thrown.   The thing people want is for Watkins to have been able to break it up, but couldn't because he was 'interfered' with.   Truth is, if the ball is in front of Watkins rather than behind him, then maybe they do throw the flag, because it impeded Watkins' FORWARD progress.   The tug didn't affect Watkins' ability to come back to the ball.   (That said, it's a throw made to a guy that can't track the ball in the air.)

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Which? Both were horrible decisions and bad under throws 

I'm assuming he means the one to Quez where he was interfered with. But it still was a terrible decision, and a typical complete lack of effort by Quez to fight for the ball (if he tries to come back, the PI gets called).

3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Who has more passing yards Monday…Hurts or Devito?

Danny Devito’s nephew 

4 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

I remember…😅

 

I was talking out of my ass when I said he is not even in the conversation… but +1000 said he was.😅

I believe some people were calling other people ignorant when they said there's a zero percent chance he wins it

Who's ignorant now? Haha

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

OK, well, after trying to sleep (edibles helped), here are some thoughts on yet another craptastic performance. I will say this -- I feel relief as I now accept that this team isn't good enough and isn't going to win anything. I'm back to 2021 levels. So I'll look for signs of hope here and there while having low expectations. I predicted 12-5, and we still might get there, but it's clear this team is completely broken.

1. It pains me to say this, but...the main issue on offense isn't Brian Johnson. Or Nick. It's Jalen Hurts. He is just playing awful football and looking to make hero plays when it is completely unnecessary. Last night, there were 3 easy examples -- the play Troy showed with Smith WIDE open but he went deep to AJ, the interception to Quez the checkdown was open, and the final throw to AJ he had Gainwell open for an easy 15 yards to get into FG range. My controversial take -- the Super Bowl last year is still in his head. In that game he made big play after big play, and it wasn't enough. Go back and look at some of the throws to Goedert -- they were insane tight window throws that no QB can make consistently. So now he's pushing for it; meanwhile, we haven't hit a deep ball in forever.

2. That's not to completely absolve Brian and Nick. They need to coach Hurts to take the underneath throws, and if he won't, stop calling shot plays. Coaches need to protect a player from himself. 

3. Also on the coaching, the offense is way too predictable. It's starting to feel a little Chip-esque. The last 3 games we have 19, 6 and 17 points. That's just insane given the talent on that side of the ball.

4. Last point on Hurts -- it seems he's going through the same thing as Josh Allen. Get superstar WR, ball out, come up juuuuuuuuuust short against the Chiefs, and then get reckless trying to be Superman. Allen is finally coming out the other side after 3 years -- we need Hurts to mature faster.

5. The offensive line was solid last night, and kudos to Opeta for holding up nicely. It's not their fault Jalen/Brian/Nick refused to just pound the ball in a 4 minute offense and end the game. No sacks allowed against a decent pass rush and running lanes were there. 

6. On defense, some of the changes were noticeable. On the first red zone stop, we actually blitzed on 3rd and long and tackled the guy short of the sticks. For whatever reason, we never seemed to repeat that. But it's hard to kill a team for giving up only 20. Patricia was fine.

7. I know CBs get old fast, but...damn. James Bradberry should be out of the league. 8 targets, 7 catches, 116 yards, TD, 118.8 rating. And the ENTIRE last drive was just throwing at him. If/when Slay is back, start one of the kids opposite him. Hell, I'd roll with Ringo/Ricks/Jobe/Roby next week. JB should be inactive -- he is unplayable. Took all game, but the Seahawks found the weak link.

8. Speaking of the kids -- Ringo/Ricks/Jobe were solid. I know Jobe got the PI, but that was a tough 1x1 cover on DK. It may have been Drew Lock, but it was still Metcalf, Lockett and Smith-Njigba. I still want to draft a CB, but going into next year with Slay, draft pick and those 3 actually inspires confidence.

9. I can't understand Nicholas Morrow. He is utter trash against SF, then has a good game last night. He's serviceable I guess. 

10. Jalen Carter made some plays. Cox too, and Graham. Reddick was completely MIA.

11. I appreciate the effort, but someone teach Sydney to tackle.

12.  If McNabb had a stretch like this, we'd be calling for his family to be murdered.

Agree on most of this. Bold part i disagree. They tried to run it out. Gave gainwell a carry. Got 3 yards. Hurts ran it for 6. Tush push for the first. Swift gains 11. Swift gains 3. Swift gains nothing. 3rd and 7 is a passing down to try and put the game away similar to the jets game. The issue here was more the run blocking like it has most of the year has been inconsistent play to play. On the 11 yard run they had great blocking. On the two 3 yard runs it really wasn’t very good but gainwell and swift took what was there. On the no gain by swift, the oline got flat out worked by Seattle’s DLine. I think eagles were trying to run it out but the oline has been inconsistent blocking in the run game. It was better last night then it had been but last drive it really wasn’t very good outside of the swift 11 yard run. 

13 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Yeah, sort of concerning.  First time I’ve seen Hurts blatantly calling others out.  Not a good approach, imo.   Hopefully it was mostly due to him still being sick.  (I know I’m miserable when I’m sick and when I’m like that, I don’t mince words)  

 

That sort of stuff needs to be addressed behind the scenes, locker rooms, meetings etc - not during a media press conference. 

I think he's calling out Watkins for his piss poor attempt to make a play on the deep ball that was intercepted.  Its fair to say that Watkins isn't committed.  It is wrong to say it after the game in that moment.  Watkins shouldn't be on the roster.  That's the organization's fault and the coaches' faults.

3 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Mvp numbers haha

8 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

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Week after week there's clips of guys just running wide open underneath that Hurts is missing. I still hate the design of this offense and think it's a color by numbers scheme. Johnson will be scapegoated and fired, probably deservedly so, but that doesn't take away that Hurts is not playing smart football. He can overcome some of the playcall flaws just taking what's given to him, but he's playing YOLO ball. 

Josh Allen had a similar problem this year and it's gotten better since they fired Dorsey. Hurts is salvageable. 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Which? Both were horrible decisions and bad under throws 

The first throw was a good decision. He had a WR matched with a safety one on one. You take that matchup. It was both a bad throw and awful effort from Quez.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

I think he's calling out Watkins for his piss poor attempt to make a play on the deep ball that was intercepted.  Its fair to say that Watkins isn't committed.  It is wrong to say it after the game in that moment.  Watkins shouldn't be on the roster.  That's the organization's fault and the coaches' faults.

Yup the fact he’s still here after 4 years where he’s regressed every season is ridiculous. There might not be a player in recent memory that i just despise or hate more than Quez Watkins. That’s saying a lot cause i actually liked the pick when they made. Him being on the team reminds me when they used the 5th year option on agholor and he was a disaster his last year here. 

8 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

One more thought on Jalen Hurts -- we've been killing Brian Johnson the OC, but a lot of the issues now are decision making by the QB. Maybe the answer is Jalen misses Brian as his QB coach, and Alex Tanney either isn't doing the job or Jalen doesn't listen to him. Likely the former. It might not be that BJ is a terrible OC, it might be that we didn't replace him as QB coach.

Or it could also be both.   The play calling in the red zone has been bad all year.  And last night, we saw multiple instances of receivers on top of each other.   That's scheme.    And when was the last time we saw a WR catch a ball with a ton of space around him, because he was schemed open?   Almost always contested catches.   Is that all Hurts?   Some of it is, but if the scheme is designed to create a giant space for a completion, then that's where the QB's eyes should be going.   I doubt its happening but he's ignoring it or intentionally looking elsewhere.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Agree on most of this. Bold part i disagree. They tried to run it out. Gave gainwell a carry. Got 3 yards. Hurts ran it for 6. Tush push for the first. Swift gains 11. Swift gains 3. Swift gains nothing. 3rd and 7 is a passing down to try and put the game away similar to the jets game. The issue here was more the run blocking like it has most of the year has been inconsistent play to play. On the 11 yard run they had great blocking. On the two 3 yard runs it really wasn’t very good but gainwell and swift took what was there. On the no gain by swift, the oline got flat out worked by Seattle’s DLine. I think eagles were trying to run it out but the oline has been inconsistent blocking in the run game. It was better last night then it had been but last drive it really wasn’t very good outside of the swift 11 yard run. 

I was thinking more of the drive before that when we went deep to Quez on 1st and 10 from the Seattle 45. Agree on the 3rd and 7 they had to throw. But the drive before, you grind out a few more yards and kick a FG at worst.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Which one wasn't his fault?  The YOLO to Watkins?   That's his fault.  The ball was horribly under thrown.   The thing people want is for Watkins to have been able to break it up, but couldn't because he was 'interfered' with.   Truth is, if the ball is in front of Watkins rather than behind him, then maybe they do throw the flag, because it impeded Watkins' FORWARD progress.   The tug didn't affect Watkins' ability to come back to the ball.   (That said, it's a throw made to a guy that can't track the ball in the air.)

The thing people need to understand is Watkins is NEVER going to fight to make a play on that ball. He’s way too soft. The only deep ball I would even be comfortable throwing to him is busted coverage. And who knows, he might just fall down for no reason and fumble when he gets back up. 

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

The first throw was a good decision. He had a WR matched with a safety one on one. You take that matchup. It was both a bad throw and awful effort from Quez.

Throwing a 50/50 to Watkins is never a good decision 

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We have no choice but to fix him, as the contract makes him completely unmovable. Need a change at QB coach and maybe OC as well (though I'm not convinced Nick fires both coordinators). 

What's truly unreal is my base case is still we win the division, and then eventually lose by 30 to SF in the playoffs.

48 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

This is my biggest area of concern with Hurts.  On several pass plays last evening, he would lock in (almost pre snap) to the point that the secondary would leave receivers wide open underneath because they already knew where the ball was going.  
 

If you pay close attention to the play where Devonte Smith was wide open on the  underneath crossing route it’s because the secondary left him open because they were already playing the deep ball before Hurts even threw the pass.  That is concerning. 

It’s very concerning. I mean that last INT they put 6 guys in coverage on the side of the field Jalen threw to. They left Gainwell completely open and left Smith 1 v 1 which you don’t do unless you know the ball isn’t going that way.

YOLO to Watkins I give a pass to 

Anything to Watkins  is always a disaster 

5 hours ago, Swoop said:

Stupid wouldn't have seen him either way because he can't read the field

I take it you’re trying to say the qb with the masters degree is stupid? Yeah, you might want to look in the mirror…I’d say he just didn’t WANT to throw it there regardless, before I’d say he was stupid. Sounds kinda feminine.

26 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

OK, well, after trying to sleep (edibles helped), here are some thoughts on yet another craptastic performance. I will say this -- I feel relief as I now accept that this team isn't good enough and isn't going to win anything. I'm back to 2021 levels. So I'll look for signs of hope here and there while having low expectations. I predicted 12-5, and we still might get there, but it's clear this team is completely broken.

1. It pains me to say this, but...the main issue on offense isn't Brian Johnson. Or Nick. It's Jalen Hurts. He is just playing awful football and looking to make hero plays when it is completely unnecessary. Last night, there were 3 easy examples -- the play Troy showed with Smith WIDE open but he went deep to AJ, the interception to Quez the checkdown was open, and the final throw to AJ he had Gainwell open for an easy 15 yards to get into FG range. My controversial take -- the Super Bowl last year is still in his head. In that game he made big play after big play, and it wasn't enough. Go back and look at some of the throws to Goedert -- they were insane tight window throws that no QB can make consistently. So now he's pushing for it; meanwhile, we haven't hit a deep ball in forever.

2. That's not to completely absolve Brian and Nick. They need to coach Hurts to take the underneath throws, and if he won't, stop calling shot plays. Coaches need to protect a player from himself. 

3. Also on the coaching, the offense is way too predictable. It's starting to feel a little Chip-esque. The last 3 games we have 19, 6 and 17 points. That's just insane given the talent on that side of the ball.

4. Last point on Hurts -- it seems he's going through the same thing as Josh Allen. Get superstar WR, ball out, come up juuuuuuuuuust short against the Chiefs, and then get reckless trying to be Superman. Allen is finally coming out the other side after 3 years -- we need Hurts to mature faster.

5. The offensive line was solid last night, and kudos to Opeta for holding up nicely. It's not their fault Jalen/Brian/Nick refused to just pound the ball in a 4 minute offense and end the game. No sacks allowed against a decent pass rush and running lanes were there. 

6. On defense, some of the changes were noticeable. On the first red zone stop, we actually blitzed on 3rd and long and tackled the guy short of the sticks. For whatever reason, we never seemed to repeat that. But it's hard to kill a team for giving up only 20. Patricia was fine.

7. I know CBs get old fast, but...damn. James Bradberry should be out of the league. 8 targets, 7 catches, 116 yards, TD, 118.8 rating. And the ENTIRE last drive was just throwing at him. If/when Slay is back, start one of the kids opposite him. Hell, I'd roll with Ringo/Ricks/Jobe/Roby next week. JB should be inactive -- he is unplayable. Took all game, but the Seahawks found the weak link.

8. Speaking of the kids -- Ringo/Ricks/Jobe were solid. I know Jobe got the PI, but that was a tough 1x1 cover on DK. It may have been Drew Lock, but it was still Metcalf, Lockett and Smith-Njigba. I still want to draft a CB, but going into next year with Slay, draft pick and those 3 actually inspires confidence.

9. I can't understand Nicholas Morrow. He is utter trash against SF, then has a good game last night. He's serviceable I guess. 

10. Jalen Carter made some plays. Cox too, and Graham. Reddick was completely MIA.

11. I appreciate the effort, but someone teach Sydney to tackle.

12.  If McNabb had a stretch like this, we'd be calling for his family to be murdered.

It looked like his view of Smith on that throw to AJ was obstructed.  And, if he had actually thrown the ball in the same area code, Aj would have drawn PI.

Some of those play designs (or maybe execution) were piss poor.  The guy covering  Gainwell on that pass to AJ was able to cover Gainwell and obstruct the throwing lane to AJ which would have bene an easy 1st down.  And the screen to Goedert with Smith blocking 🤦‍♂️.  The screen play to Swift that Williams blew up did not look properly constructed or executed. 

So whether it is play design or execution I have got to point to the coaching.  WR/Qb coaches have to get these guys on the same page.  OC has go have better play designs.  The only thing that could save this offense this year is bringing in Reich to help BJ and Hurts.

For all the talk about the standard, this team is poor in fundamentals.  They need to get back to basics and focus on the fundamentals/details of their respective positions.  Everybody seems to be pressing and trying to do more than their job.

And your point on Bradberry may be on.  He is step behind.  But, in the name of Hades would you leave him with no Safety help when you know the Seahawks need a TD? 🤷‍♂️

I am going to give Brown a bit of pass for his tackling on Walker.  That guy is a beast. 

 

 

I woke up humble just trying to get better everyday...bahaha

Just now, vikas83 said:

I was thinking more of the drive before that when we went deep to Quez on 1st and 10 from the Seattle 45. Agree on the 3rd and 7 they had to throw. But the drive before, you grind out a few more yards and kick a FG at worst.

Any play they call a deep shot or a shot to quez is dumb. He can’t catch nor track the ball. Plus he hardly ever fights for the ball tk break up an int. He shouldn’t be on the team. He’s useless and sucks. It’s been proven every time they throw to him since that commanders mnf game last year it’s been a negative play. It’s why i didn’t complain about just throwing to 3 guys but complained their WRs outside of smith and brown are crap and their depth at tight end also sucks. If you had better depth/ talent behind those 3 pass catchers I’d be more willing to complain about not getting them involved. The issue is their depth there is atrocious. 

That said i didn’t understand take the deep shot. They had easily moved the ball on first three plays of that drive for 15, 5 and 10. That’s just stupid when you are moving it that easy and you didn’t need the big play touchdown. Needed a methodical drive and score to kill clock and help your defense 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup the fact he’s still here after 4 years where he’s regressed every season is ridiculous. There might not be a player in recent memory that i just despise or hate more than Quez Watkins. That’s saying a lot cause i actually liked the pick when they made. Him being on the team reminds me when they used the 5th year option on agholor and he was a disaster his last year here. 

At least Agholor balled out in the Super Bowl. 

Hurt sucks. Constantly leaving clean pockets. Constantly not protecting the ball. Constantly underthrowing deep balls. Constantly not reading through progressions, which leads to constantly throwing to a well covered receiver instead of wide open ones. He has been bailed out by elite talent and he is avoiding massive scrutiny with Brian Johnson as a scapegoat. 

One game:

But actually his whole career.