2 minutes ago, EagleTen said:

So what exactly was Desai's job last night? The commentators said he is still the DC, he was just put upstairs...was he calling plays and just sending them down to Patricia? Was he maybe just calling defensive play "schemes" and sending those down to Patricia...

It just seems a very strange thing to not have your DC on the field. Did Siriani think Desai might see the field better from above and call better pays? All very weird...and obviously, whatever they did, and however they split defensive duties, it simply didn't work! 

It worked much better than the last 2 weeks. Bradbury just got Toasted for an entire drive to lose the game. Can’t believe they had him in single coverage with 20 seconds left up 4. Yikes. 

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Down on the list of problems but Howie/Nick need to fire Desai today. Odds are we need a new DC next year unless it’s just handed to Patricia. Publicly cucking Desai on national tv after just 13 games is a bad look when you’re going to be competing with other teams in the next coaching cycle. 

Or maybe it's working as intended for the most part. Because if you look specifically at how the defense played yesterday play by play rather than just the result, the style was quite different and I think most of the things people were complaining about were fixed - however the end play call was bad (happens, especially after what the offense did, more on that later) and Sydney Brown really cannot tackle to save his life.

People seem to be really forgetting:

This kind of situation isn't unprecedented by any figment of the imagination. Unusual? Yes. Unprecedented? No, not even slightly. What really needs to be addressed is when the offense does stuff like:

Notably, against a team that was missing their OROY candidate Devon Witherspoon. They were awful yet again. If anything, they should do the same thing on both sides of the ball. Fire the QB coach then pull play-calling from Brian Johnson so he can have more time to get Hurts to stop making bad decisions like last year, since it feels like that was really important. It actually solves two issues with one move.

6 minutes ago, xBMTx said:

Hurt sucks. Constantly leaving clean pockets. Constantly not protecting the ball. Constantly underthrowing deep balls. Constantly not reading through progressions, which leads to constantly throwing to a well covered receiver instead of wide open ones. He has been bailed out by elite talent and he is avoiding massive scrutiny with Brian Johnson as a scapegoat. 

One game:

But actually his whole career.

Wow, this is insightful. Not so much the QB bailing from the pocket but the second play go route...Watkins is trying to signal to Brown, Brown never acknowledges Quez...Brown obviously thinks it's a run because he comes off the line kind of slow keeping the defender in front of him setting up a block, or so it seems. It's obviously a pass because everyone else takes off on routes, did Brown miss a read/audible or playcall/blown assignment? Surely he didn't just jog the off the line because they weren't going to throw to him. Just shows a lack of cohesiveness, most receivers are going to know what the other routes are and communicate. Just strange. The only thing I see that might be on Hurts there is he calls for the snap before Quez is really ready and is still looking at Brown.

The short pass play #1 to Smith is an obvious misread by Hurts. On the leaving the pocket play #3, I would give Hurts the benefit of the doubt, if he steps up and climbs the pocket it looks like Wagner was already moving into that gap.

The whole is it a run or is it a pass is the most concerning play (#2) in this sequence, the offense just isn't on the same page, it looks like Brown didn't know the play and was just focused on a block...or he got lazy and took a play off. More importantly he possibly just ignored Quez...he's not that kind of player is he?

Who is a bigger concern right now for the long term, Sirianni or Hurts?

Tough call, but I'd say Sirianni. Hurts has shown the right system he can be great and he has a great work ethic. But Sirianni I'm starting to have concerns despite starting off his career with 3 straight playoff appearances, that he just may have been a guy who rode off his talent and his assistant coaches, and when the NFL has figured him out he has nothing. It definitely is looking like the Chip and Doug era went. Once the offense was figured out, the coach is like a turtle on its back.

Regardless, I don't think anyone is angrier right now than Howie. Put all this talent out there for them and he has to watch this crap every week. If this season goes down the tubes I think major changes will come. Howie and Lurie won't stand for this. I don't mean Sirianni getting fired, that has no chance of happening, but they will force major coaching staff changes on him. Which at that point would start the hourglass on their relationship.

3 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

Wow, this is insightful. Not so much the QB bailing from the pocket but the second play go route...Watkins is trying to signal to Brown, Brown never acknowledges Quez...Brown obviously thinks it's a run because he comes off the line kind of slow keeping the defender in front of him setting up a block, or so it seems. It's obviously a pass because everyone else takes off on routes, did Brown miss a read/audible or playcall/blown assignment? Surely he didn't just jog the off the line because they weren't going to throw to him. Just shows a lack of cohesiveness, most receivers are going to know what the other routes are and communicate. Just strange. The only thing I see that might be on Hurts there is he calls for the snap before Quez is really ready and is still looking at Brown.

The short pass play #1 to Smith is an obvious misread by Hurts. On the leaving the pocket play #3, I would give Hurts the benefit of the doubt, if he steps up and climbs the pocket it looks like Wagner was already moving into that gap.

The whole is it a run or is it a pass is the most concerning play (#2) in this sequence, the offense just isn't on the same page, it looks like Brown didn't know the play and was just focused on a block...or he got lazy and took a play off. More importantly he possibly just ignored Quez...he's not that kind of player is he?

Wouldn’t rule it out with some of the lack of blocking he’s done at times and disinterest he’s had at times when the ball hasn’t gone his way. 

10 minutes ago, EagleTen said:

So what exactly was Desai's job last night? The commentators said he is still the DC, he was just put upstairs...was he calling plays and just sending them down to Patricia? Was he maybe just calling defensive play "schemes" and sending those down to Patricia...

It just seems a very strange thing to not have your DC on the field. Did Siriani think Desai might see the field better from above and call better pays? All very weird...and obviously, whatever they did, and however they split defensive duties, it simply didn't work! 

Joe and Aikman said Patricia was the DC and was calling plays. When did you hear them say Desai was still the DC?

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frankly I’d force the eagles to fire me. I’m not quitting and bailing them out of having to pay me after what went down. 

Same, but at least Costanza it

 

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Who is a bigger concern right now for the long term, Sirianni or Hurts?

Hurts because of the contract. Hurts is still good, but if he's not great, then we're in trouble.

40 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The thing people need to understand is Watkins is NEVER going to fight to make a play on that ball. He’s way too soft. The only deep ball I would even be comfortable throwing to him is busted coverage. And who knows, he might just fall down for no reason and fumble when he gets back up. 

Correct.

I will say this...whatever issues PHI has can be fixed...and there are three weeks to left to do it...DAL on the other hand? It's hard to fix getting run over repetitively for 266 yards...yeh Hankins was out this week but damn man, they got straight trucked for 4 qtrs for the 3rd time this season with zero adjustments.

36 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Said this in the offseason should’ve just cut quez and saved the money. Used it elsewhere. You’d get better effort and competency out if Greg ward. And that’s not a compliment for Greg ward. 

They actually need to bring Greg Ward up at this point.  He can play the slot at a reasonable level, runs decent routes and has good enough hands.   That’s what they need in the slot right now. 

5 minutes ago, metal said:

 

 

9 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Or maybe it's working as intended for the most part. Because if you look specifically at how the defense played yesterday play by play rather than just the result, the style was quite different and I think most of the things people were complaining about were fixed - however the end play call was bad (happens, especially after what the offense did, more on that later) and Sydney Brown really cannot tackle to save his life.

People seem to be really forgetting:

This kind of situation isn't unprecedented by any figment of the imagination. Unusual? Yes. Unprecedented? No, not even slightly. What really needs to be addressed is when the offense does stuff like:

Notably, against a team that was missing their OROY candidate Devon Witherspoon. They were awful yet again. If anything, they should do the same thing on both sides of the ball. Fire the QB coach then pull play-calling from Brian Johnson so he can have more time to get Hurts to stop making bad decisions like last year, since it feels like that was really important. It actually solves two issues with one move.

Not really apples to apples comparison. Rod Marinelli was what, 69 at the time? While Kris Richard was their young, up and coming guy at the time in his 30's. It made sense for them to do it to groom Richard. This is the complete opposite. Desai is the young up and comer. Patricia is the older, established guy. I wouldn't be surprised if their approach at the beginning of the season was more like what Dallas did. Have the older guy help during the week and input on gameday, have the young guy call plays. 

I just don't see any benefit or see what, if anything, Desai brings from the booth. Just make it a clean break. 

35 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

I firmly believe Howie considers him a feather in his cap and that’s the only reason why he has a roster spot.

That's one sh#tty feather.

4 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

I will say this...whatever issues PHI has can be fixed...and there are three weeks to left to do it...DAL on the other hand? It's hard to fix getting run over repetitively for 266 yards...yeh Hankins was out this week but damn man, they got straight trucked for 4 qtrs for the 3rd time this season with zero adjustments.

Weve been saying they can fix it for 14 weeks now...

Might just be time to admit they are what they are and arent getting better.

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Joe and Aikman said Patricia was the DC and was calling plays. When did you hear them say Desai was still the DC?

I think they called him the "defacto DC" but Eagles have made it clear Desai still has the title DC

I think you have to look at what Baltimore did this year with getting the new OC there. 

They made Lamar more into a thrower than a runner and he stayed healthier.

 

The offense needs to change it's obvious.  Defense is just a mess and will probably take a few years to rebuild unfortunately and need to scrap the fangio style.

29 minutes ago, xBMTx said:

Hurt sucks. Constantly leaving clean pockets. Constantly not protecting the ball. Constantly underthrowing deep balls. Constantly not reading through progressions, which leads to constantly throwing to a well covered receiver instead of wide open ones. He has been bailed out by elite talent and he is avoiding massive scrutiny with Brian Johnson as a scapegoat. 

One game:

But actually his whole career.

I know there's accountability issues for players, but I really don't think this is the entire problem. Here's what I think. I think 2022 was a team effort by the Eagles. Hurts right now reeks of a problem caused by coaching - not saying that it's not his fault, but think about it like this.

Position coaches and players in a position, together, are a team. Sometimes it's important to have both halves of the equation. I feel like the QB coaching for Hurts is significantly less effective than last year - and I think the reason why is because Brian Johnson got moved. It's kind of how you don't want to have to move two spots in an offensive line because it weakens both positions?

Well Brian Johnson is a worse OC than a QB coach, but it's also a situation where he's not QB coach and they were replaced with someone worse - which weakened TWO coaching positions. 

So I think you have a few ways to fix this. I think the first is that it's important to realize that things are best with a balance. Jalen as a cool-headed guy probably needs someone hot headed to work with that keeps him on top of things. I think his worth ethic is great and it's nice he doesn't panic, but panic is an emotion given to humans for survival, and sometimes that kind of urgency is necessary.

Get someone old school on board, someone like Norv Turner. Notice how Russell Wilson's play improved overall when provided someone who will dice him on the details, etc. Cool head big picture guy combined with hot headed details guy. Generally speaking, it works well.

7 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

I will say this...whatever issues PHI has can be fixed...and there are three weeks to left to do it...DAL on the other hand? It's hard to fix getting run over repetitively for 266 yards...yeh Hankins was out this week but damn man, they got straight trucked for 4 qtrs for the 3rd time this season with zero adjustments.

I don't think so, not this year anyway. This thing is unraveling by the minute. Personnel has to do with it but there are deeper issues as well. 

41 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The thing people need to understand is Watkins is NEVER going to fight to make a play on that ball. He’s way too soft. The only deep ball I would even be comfortable throwing to him is busted coverage. And who knows, he might just fall down for no reason and fumble when he gets back up. 

That's not really his role in the NFL, college maybe, he is not used properly for a smaller receiver. I think of Mecole Hardeman type of receiver, short mid-range routes, get him the ball let him use his speed and quickness off the line of scrimmage primarily, try him maybe once a game on a wheel from the slot after you have set it up by hitting the slant to Brown multiple times, get a rub and catch the safety cheating up to stop Brown. 

Either him or Oz one need to be utilized more on quick hit passes...so does Smith. 7-12 yrd hits, get down or get the YAC. Their speed and quickness is not being utilized.

IDK...just my simple minded arnchair coach mentality. Carry on.

Eagles have scored over 21 points in just 1 of their last 5 games.  Didn’t the eagles with Doug have an issue like they went like weeks without scoring over like 27

49 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup the fact he’s still here after 4 years where he’s regressed every season is ridiculous. There might not be a player in recent memory that i just despise or hate more than Quez Watkins. That’s saying a lot cause i actually liked the pick when they made. Him being on the team reminds me when they used the 5th year option on agholor and he was a disaster his last year here. 

John Hightower was always the better player; he just played himself off the team because he couldn't catch the damn ball.  Too bad, because he had a Torrey Smith-like knack for getting behind an NFL defense.  I think he actually had better speed and better route tree, though.  

1 minute ago, tuffstuff07 said:

I think you have to look at what Baltimore did this year with getting the new OC there. 

They made Lamar more into a thrower than a runner and he stayed healthier.

 

The offense needs to change it's obvious.  Defense is just a mess and will probably take a few years to rebuild unfortunately and need to scrap the fangio style.

I cant see them changing the fangio style any time soon, the ANALytics support it and howie and Lurie are knee deep in ANALytics.

As for Hurts maybe just break his ankle, some of his best games this year have been when he didnt have the mobility to leave the pocket and was forced to stay in it.

When his legs are good he tends to hero ball and leave clean pockets far too often.

Lets go!

 

How can one tweet be so embarrassing in like 5 different ways.