7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

John Hightower was always the better player; he just played himself off the team because he couldn't catch the damn ball.  Too bad, because he had a Torrey Smith-like knack for getting behind an NFL defense.  I think he actually had better speed and better route tree, though.  

Still with this???

Hightower was so soft, i still remember his first catch, he caught it and took an immediate dive to avoid contact.

After that he either dropped everything or short armed everything 

Go watch watkins 2022 sesson, he eas great, then 2023 with AJ watkins role was hugely reduced and he just quit.

Its gotta be discouraging to go from a starter who had a promising season on the upswing to having your coach straight up tell you you arent getting the ball 

Like why tell a player that???

Why not build the dude up and tell him they need him to succeed instead of cutting his legs out from underneath him and give him 1 or 2 pity targets a game?

I dont know if quez will go some where else and do anything but hes not going to do anything here so whats the point?

4 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

The defense on the road held a team to 13 points last night for 59:30 and 20 points total. Seattle avgs like 21 a game

With Geno or Lock? 

You can't just pretend that last drive didn't happen and say they only gave up 13 points until the end. That "end" was pretty significant. And it goes back to my point that they don't have the talent to compete. Bradberry was targeted on every single pass on that final drive. They destroyed him. 

7 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

I wonder what his targets to routes run ratio looks like...it can't be just him, some yeh, probably...if Hurts is missing Smith and AJ being open, how often is he missing his fourth option being open? This stat is worthless without knowing how many times he got open on said routes run, and how many of those times was he the late option in the progression? 

I mostly posted it because Reagor is on there and he's the herpes of this team

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is how the offense is designed.

Confirms that the coaching is the bigger problem.

Jalen didn't all of a sudden fall off a cliff, he's coached to make that throw as the primary read based on the pre-snap look.

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

With Geno or Lock? 

You can't just pretend that last drive didn't happen and say they only gave up 13 points until the end. That "end" was pretty significant. And it goes back to my point that they don't have the talent to compete. Bradberry was targeted on every single pass on that final drive. They destroyed him. 

With Slay out last night it was obvious bradberry isnt a 1.

Hes barely a 2 anymore so having him CB 1 was going to end badly 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That's what Nick said when he was asked about his earlier comment about why he said there would be no coaching change last Tuesday. For all intents and purposes, Patricia is the defensive coordinator, but the title stayed with Desai for whatever reason.

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/coaches/

So, Patricia is the DM.  Got it.  

2 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Are people on the board just not very knowledgeable? Defensive coordinators in the booth is not new either. Additionally, the defense fixed most of the issues people have been whining about all year - you saw tighter coverage calls, more man, etc. In fact it worked really well for most of the DBs coverage wise, the one it didn't work for though was Bradberry, because he sucks and has sucked all year. There was basically one big head scratcher call - cover 1 robber at the end. Other than that, defense was pretty serviceable schematically.

Bradberry can't cover, Sydney Brown can't tackle, and Cover 1 at the end was a bad decision. That's more or less the list of bad for the defense yesterday.

They didn't make it simple enough for Brown at the end of the game. On the TD play he got caught sneaking up to cover the back because Morrow was bracketing Metcalf. Bradberry was getting cooked all game why would you leave him on an island?By the way Brown had an opportunity to utterly destroy Metcalf on that earlier catch and he barely grazed him. After all that ish talking DK was doing to him during the game should have blew his ass up.

20 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Oz isn't really any good, and I like Oz 10 times as much as Quez.  

There’s been guys who’ve come and gone that i don’t really care for. Like i didn’t hate Nelson agholor. I didn’t hate JJAW. I just thought he sucked. But it takes a lot for me to just absolutely hate a player. I hate Quez watkins. As soon as they threw that deep shot and i saw it was quez I knew it was getting picked. He’s is captain negative play. His nickname should be "quez negative”

Just now, BDawk_ASamuel said:

With Geno or Lock? 

You can't just pretend that last drive didn't happen and say they only gave up 13 points until the end. That "end" was pretty significant. And it goes back to my point that they don't have the talent to compete. Bradberry was targeted on every single pass on that final drive. They destroyed him. 

I hear you and those are fair points but the defense made changes last night, played some press man coverages and it helped...they just stayed in it too long, or were in it at the wrong times on that drive. They had no reason to be in press man with 30 seconds left and the ball at what? the 40? I can't remember.

Lock is not a scrub...he was a #2 pick who never really got a chance to play yet. He was expected to be the starter until Geno had a resurgence last year late.

Also an issue i touched on earlier in the year that they have this inability to deliver the knock out blow and keep teams in the game. 

 

5 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Confirms that the coaching is the bigger problem.

Jalen didn't all of a sudden fall off a cliff, he's coached to make that throw as the primary read based on the pre-snap look.

LOL, maybe has was the decoy when Quez went deep then...because he didn't anything that play...jogged off the line.

4 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Confirms that the coaching is the bigger problem.

Jalen didn't all of a sudden fall off a cliff, he's coached to make that throw as the primary read based on the pre-snap look.

Beens saying it. Seth Joyner had been saying it. It's a philosophical thing based on analytics coming from the top. Only thing I can relate it to is how the 3 ball is the analytical thing to do in NBA basketball. In football it's taking the big shots downfield.  It stinks when it's not working just like when the 3s aren't falling.

2 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Confirms that the coaching is the bigger problem.

Jalen didn't all of a sudden fall off a cliff, he's coached to make that throw as the primary read based on the pre-snap look.

It's like I said. It's not Jalen being ridiculous if the reads he's making are the correct ones based on what the offense is asked to do. The route concepts and progressions are Fed up. I said this last week. Shouldn't be surprising in the first place.

Do you guys SERIOUSLY think QBs that ignore progressions in the NFL keep their jobs when the livelihoods of coaches and their families are on the line? And coaches have massive egos to a point where it's 'my way or the highway' for some of them?

Give me a break man. QBs that ignore progression order entirely and are resistant to coaching end up with their butts on benches. Jalen has one of the lowest expected completion percentages in the NFL based on what he's being asked to do. That's what the 49ers exploited, and our offense will continue to look like that until they stop trying to push the ball down the field so much. People are SELLING OUT to cover deep because they know we don't throw underneath.

So depressing and frustrating.  Until this team decides to make some real changes, I am going to focus on my life and what I can control ✌️

That's the problem. It's the exact same offense, but every other DC had an entire year of film to scout/scheme.

7 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Confirms that the coaching is the bigger problem.

Jalen didn't all of a sudden fall off a cliff, he's coached to make that throw as the primary read based on the pre-snap look.

Still not coaching. Just because its the first read dosnt mean he has to throw it.

5 minutes ago, judunno said:

They didn't make it simple enough for Brown at the end of the game. On the TD play he got caught sneaking up to cover the back because Morrow was bracketing Metcalf. Bradberry was getting cooked all game why would you leave him on an island?By the way Brown had an opportunity to utterly destroy Metcalf on that earlier catch and he barely grazed him. After all that ish talking DK was doing to him during the game should have blew his ass up.

He really can't tackle. But that's fine, he's a rookie. NFL is hard, people's heads are swimming, and his playstyle is similar to Reed's, which demands to have elite understanding. It takes time. I agree with the island call, that's what I mean by the cover 1 finale call. Just bench Bradberry and be done with it, honestly. Really bad timing for Slay to be gone.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Still not coaching. Just because its the first read dosnt mean he has to throw it.

I actually think it does.

It's a shot play based on the pre-snap look. That's where the ball is supposed to go.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

There’s been guys who’ve come and gone that i don’t really care for. Like i didn’t hate Nelson agholor. I didn’t hate JJAW. I just thought he suck. But it takes a lot for me to just absolutely hate a player. I hate Quez watkins. As soon as they threw that deep shot and i saw it was quez I knew it was getting picked. He’s is captain negative play. His nickname should be "quez negative”

 

14 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is how the offense is designed.

In other words... poorly designed.   

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

That's the problem. It's the exact same offense, but every other DC had an entire year of film to scout/scheme.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. The Eagles had the same flaw last year, but it took a while to figure it out. However, it's a fixable flaw. They don't throw the ball short. It's really that simple. Toss in some shallow crosses, slants, comebacks, quick outs, etc and we'd be fine. 

I get that a lot of you guys are sour on Quez I just don't think it's fair to say he should be cut when in the same breath a lot of you are saying the QB can't read a defense, plays favorites with his targets, forces throws, etc. All of which may be true or at a minimum a well formulated opinion, but you cannot have it both ways.

If you are complaining about the QB with the above opinions, you can't hate on those receivers who aren't getting any looks on their routes because most of the snaps and targets go to the two superstar receivers.

If Quez were to get cut like someone mentioned, I guarantee you he gets picked up, and if you put him in KC, Miami, or SF, he will get touches on a lot of quick hitting passes. Hell, KC would take him in a heartbeat, they have no one that can catch the ball other than Kelce and Rice.

2 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

I actually think it does.

It's a shot play based on the pre-snap look. That's where the ball is supposed to go.

but does the QB have eyes? and a brain? hes not a robot that has to preform a pre-programmed action that can not be chanced once the ball is snapped.

I mean, I know thats about all he is capable of, but that fact means its a QB issue.

18 minutes ago, CheesesteakNBeer said:

The funny thing is he's a big analytics guy. I can see that in the amount of shove plays that have gained us a 1st down but I'd love to see what the analytics say about these god awful screens getting people crushed and running Hurts so much.

Sure.   But, they could get us the first on 4th down just as effectively, so what does the analytics say about 'shot plays' on 3rd and 1?   I'd much prefer that they run that 'shot play' to Brown that had Smith wide open on a 3rd and 1, rather than a 3rd and 8 or whatever it was.    Take the shot based on the presnap look and if its a 1 on 1, go for it.   And if you convert, great.  If not, then come back on 4th down and get the 1st with the Shove.  

This is exactly what I was talking about with the 'aggressive vs. smart' thought process of Sirianni.   You can be BOTH, it doesn't have to be either/or.   Be aggressive when it is to your advantage to be aggressive.  Don't be aggressive just to be aggressive.

14 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Confirms that the coaching is the bigger problem.

Jalen didn't all of a sudden fall off a cliff, he's coached to make that throw as the primary read based on the pre-snap look.

Screw AJ and his attitude