Just now, HazletonEagle said:

but does the QB have eyes? and a brain? hes not a robot that has to preform a pre-programmed action that can not be chanced once the ball is snapped.

I mean, I know thats about all he is capable of, but that fact means its a QB issue.

The play NEVER should have been called in that situation.

7 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

So depressing and frustrating.  Until this team decides to make some real changes, I am going to focus on my life and what I can control ✌️

Idiot...Jerry just keep your freaking mouth shut. No value...dumba$$.

1 minute ago, Joe Ball said:

I get that a lot of you guys are sour on Quez I just don't think it's fair to say he should be cut when in the same breath a lot of you are saying the QB can't read a defense, plays favorites with his targets, forces throws, etc. All of which may be true or at a minimum a well formulated opinion, but you cannot have it both ways.

If you are complaining about the QB with the above opinions, you can't hate on those receivers who aren't getting any looks on their routes because most of the snaps and targets go to the two superstar receivers.

If Quez were to get cut like someone mentioned, I guarantee you he gets picked up, and if you put him in KC, Miami, or SF, he will get touches on a lot of quick hitting passes. Hell, KC would take him in a heartbeat, they have no one that can catch the ball other than Kelce and Rice.

Last year when Goedert got hurt for a few games, Quez had his chances to shine again and he was disastrous. Targets to him lead to multiple turnovers because he doesnt know how to shield a defender, runs poor routes and gets under cut, fumbles the ball, etc....

This year in minimal opportunities, he has failed to make anything happen and change the narrative.

He had one brief stretch of excellence early in his career (sadly before Hurts looked any good), but that was short lived and too far in the past now. He is what he is.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

but does the QB have eyes? and a brain? hes not a robot that has to preform a pre-programmed action that can not be chanced once the ball is snapped.

I mean, I know thats about all he is capable of, but that fact means its a QB issue.

100% correct

Is AJ talking about the last play of the game, or the 3rd&8 under under throw in the third with Smith wide open? 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

but does the QB have eyes? and a brain? hes not a robot that has to preform a pre-programmed action that can not be chanced once the ball is snapped.

I mean, I know thats about all he is capable of, but that fact means its a QB issue.

So you expect the QB to just ignore the called plays consistently? The funny fact is you might get away with that with Sirianni as head coach, but there's a lot of head coaches who would destroy you for that if the conditions to perform the play are open.

Welcome to the big league, it's full of massive egos unfortunately.

I'm at the point where if you were to tell me ahead of time Super Bowl is definitely out of the equation, I'd rather lose in the wildcard round than get to the NFCCG again. I don't want any delusions about this team going forward. I don't want even the slightest temptation to run it back. This front office is at its best when they're humiliated and Howie is pissed off.

3 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

I get that a lot of you guys are sour on Quez I just don't think it's fair to say he should be cut when in the same breath a lot of you are saying the QB can't read a defense, plays favorites with his targets, forces throws, etc. All of which may be true or at a minimum a well formulated opinion, but you cannot have it both ways.

If you are complaining about the QB with the above opinions, you can't hate on those receivers who aren't getting any looks on their routes because most of the snaps and targets go to the two superstar receivers.

If Quez were to get cut like someone mentioned, I guarantee you he gets picked up, and if you put him in KC, Miami, or SF, he will get touches on a lot of quick hitting passes. Hell, KC would take him in a heartbeat, they have no one that can catch the ball other than Kelce and Rice.

That's not Quez's game. 

9 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

So depressing and frustrating.  Until this team decides to make some real changes, I am going to focus on my life and what I can control ✌️

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Is AJ talking about the last play of the game, or the 3rd&8 under under throw in the third with Smith wide open? 

3rd & 8.

AJ responded to that to defend his QB.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Is AJ talking about the last play of the game, or the 3rd&8 under under throw in the third with Smith wide open? 

Think he means the latter one.

5 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. The Eagles had the same flaw last year, but it took a while to figure it out. However, it's a fixable flaw. They don't throw the ball short. It's really that simple. Toss in some shallow crosses, slants, comebacks, quick outs, etc and we'd be fine. 

Part of the not throwing short is that Hurts doesn't seem to see or is coached to ignore the outlet.  Hitting the outlet is a great chain mover and defensive back breaker.  McNabb lived on that early in his career, especially when the WRs sucked... and he was dropping the ball to guys like Darnell Autry.  AND IT WORKED.  

1 minute ago, Parrot Head said:

The play NEVER should have been called in that situation.

there are other routes going on. They call a play. I dont think they say he has to throw it to Brown. That might be the design based on pre-snap alignment. But the QB has to see where the coverage goes after the snap and decide if its open or not. If not he has to throw to the open guy.

You are insisting that its the coaches fault because they call 1 read plays. I dont think thats true.

2 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

So you expect the QB to just ignore the called plays consistently? The funny fact is you might get away with that with Sirianni as head coach, but there's a lot of head coaches who would destroy you for that if the conditions to perform the play are open.

Welcome to the big league, it's full of massive egos unfortunately.

I dont think you guys understand how play calls work. No one says he has to throw that ball to Brown when that play is called. Its supposed to be the first read. NOT the Only read. 

QB has to see single high before snape and be thinking deep shot. After the snap when he sees oh crap thats well covered, he has to know the crosser is going to be wide open underneath. And take it.

1 hour ago, D.WATSfromda757 said:

I take it you’re trying to say the qb with the masters degree is stupid? Yeah, you might want to look in the mirror…I’d say he just didn’t WANT to throw it there regardless, before I’d say he was stupid. Sounds kinda feminine.

Having a degree (which I and others on this board also have, including Master's) doesn't negate that someone can still be dumb in other areas. If I need to explain that to you, you're already out of your element.

He didn't want to throw there because he wanted to force a ball to his BFF, but he also never even bothered to look.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

3rd & 8.

AJ responded to that to defend his QB.

Nah I think it's some clear truth in his statement. Otherwise he wouldn't have made the decoy statement to go along with it.

6 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

I get that a lot of you guys are sour on Quez I just don't think it's fair to say he should be cut when in the same breath a lot of you are saying the QB can't read a defense, plays favorites with his targets, forces throws, etc. All of which may be true or at a minimum a well formulated opinion, but you cannot have it both ways.

If you are complaining about the QB with the above opinions, you can't hate on those receivers who aren't getting any looks on their routes because most of the snaps and targets go to the two superstar receivers.

If Quez were to get cut like someone mentioned, I guarantee you he gets picked up, and if you put him in KC, Miami, or SF, he will get touches on a lot of quick hitting passes. Hell, KC would take him in a heartbeat, they have no one that can catch the ball other than Kelce and Rice.

Good let him go to any of those teams.   Quez is softer than Charmin.   He in fact sucks.   The issue is that Quez can't track a deep ball and adjust to it.   Quez has bad hands and can't catch the ball in traffic (won't).   And Quez works to avoid contact at every turn, not in the traditional NFL WR manner, but the run away sideways and even backwards rather than forward and then getting down quick before the hit comes.   Oh, and Quez can't/won't block, so he's useless in the running game or outside screen game.

This has all gotten so bad now I think the locker room is divided.  You could see Kelce shaking his head in disgust on the sidelines last night and players are starting to come out and point fingers on social media.  Starting to feel like the year Andy got run out.  He lost the locker room and management decided it was irretrievable under his leadership. 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

3rd & 8.

AJ responded to that to defend his QB.

That's what I thought he was referring to

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Part of the not throwing short is that Hurts doesn't seem to see or is coached to ignore the outlet.  Hitting the outlet is a great chain mover and defensive back breaker.

I want to point out here that this is kind of a bad way to think about it. Outlet is nice and all, but it really shouldn't be your only method of throwing short. You want to vary in your approaches to offense and what your goals are. We rarely set out to only get a couple yards in the passing game - it's kind of like the anti-Andy Reid problem we had many years ago. Andy loved to move the ball a few yards via the passing game - we absolutely despise doing that for some reason despite it being something our WRs would take people's lunch money at.

The 49ers exploited this to perfection. On top of that, the Eagles offense basically doesn't have hot routes - they actually don't exist. Which is why Jalen gets in such bad situations at times when being blitzed and the route "concepts" (which are usually bad) doesn't work.

Our offense design is fundamentally flawed and can be fixed fairly easily, but it's not being done.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

there are other routes going on. They call a play. I dont think they say he has to throw it to Brown. That might be the design based on pre-snap alignment. But the QB has to see where the coverage goes after the snap and decide if its open or not. If not he has to throw to the open guy.

You are insisting that its the coaches fault because they call 1 read plays. I dont think thats true.

Didn't say it was a 1 read play, but they should not have called that play in that situation regardless.

It's bad coaching. They are setting guys up to fail.

The coaches want the shot there, that's why they call that play.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Is AJ talking about the last play of the game, or the 3rd&8 under under throw in the third with Smith wide open? 

I'm pretty sure its the 3rd and 8.

Just now, Parrot Head said:

Didn't say it was a 1 read play, but they should not have called that play in that situation regardless.

It's bad coaching. They are setting guys up to fail.

The coaches want the shot there, that's why they call that play.

Called a shot play against a blitz.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont think you guys understand how play calls work. No one says he has to throw that ball to Brown when that play is called. Its supposed to be the first read. NOT the Only read. 

QB has to see single high before snape and be thinking deep shot. After the snap when he sees oh crap thats well covered, he has to know the crosser is going to be wide open underneath. And take it.

Right.  Play Design, Play Call and Play execution.  Three different things.  All three look off to me. 

9 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

I get that a lot of you guys are sour on Quez I just don't think it's fair to say he should be cut

He does nothing. He offers nothing. The only thing he does is hurt us because he’s weak and because he comes up small. He needs to go. He isn’t the only problem not by a long way but he sucks.