7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Benching players that aren't performing should never be a political decision.   If his teammates are upset with that... too bad.   NFL is supposed to be a meritocracy.  It isn't, but generally when it isn't, that is when things go bad with teams.

I agree but it's one of the things that worries me if they fire Brian Johnson.   He's close with Hurts and will that upset him?  

Regardless I don't think they fire BJ after 1 season.  Maybe if they struggle again next year he might be gone.

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I agree but it's one of the things that worries me if they fire Brian Johnson.   He's close with Hurts and will that upset him?  

Regardless I don't think they fire BJ after 1 season.  Maybe if they struggle again next year he might be gone.

If it does, then they shouldn't have hired him in the first place.  Because you can't have that sort of thing happening on an NFL team.

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Benching players that aren't performing should never be a political decision.   If his teammates are upset with that... too bad.   NFL is supposed to be a meritocracy.  It isn't, but generally when it isn't, that is when things go bad with teams.

The question that I dont think anyone in here is considering is, just how bad has Bradberry been, outside of that Seattle game? That one was as bad as can possibly be. But in reality, hes still just fine when used properly. I dont think there are many here who recognize that fact.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The question that I dont think anyone in here is considering is, just how bad has Bradberry been, outside of that Seattle game? That one was as bad as can possibly be. But in reality, hes still just fine when used properly. I dont think there are many here who recognize that fact.

My comment was not related to Bradberry in particular, but to the thought process that the locker room would be upset with a decision like that.

2 hours ago, judunno said:

Sorry NY and AZ are no where near the caliber of the last 3 teams that the Eagles played. 

"Tell me who’s your weed man and how do you smoke so good…” 

What has this team shown you for you to have some much confidence? The offense specifically is consistently underperforming considering their talent this entire season. They need to score at least 7 points a qtr.

Then you have a Sirianni saying "what guys” when asked why Hurts is forcing plays to same 3 players. The same clown that said they went deep on the last play in hopes of getting a DPI, when they needed maybe 15 yards for a realistic game tying fg.  

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The question that I dont think anyone in here is considering is, just how bad has Bradberry been, outside of that Seattle game? That one was as bad as can possibly be. But in reality, hes still just fine when used properly. I dont think there are many here who recognize that fact.

I'm not so sure about that, he's been poor all season. If anyone has a PFF of CB gradings i would guess he'd be near the bottom

 

44 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Benching Bradberry could upset his teammates. 

On the other hand if they feel he sucks just like we do then they would have no problem with it deep down.

No one has a right to be on the team, especially if they're not performing. 

Players should know and accept this. Maybe a lot of the players know that even how bad they are, they're still gonna start because the coaches don't trust the backups

10 hours ago, NOTW said:

F, now I can't unsee it.

 

 

 

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With the Bradberry stuff, you have to treat players like men -- especially veteran players.  You can only bench Bradberry if:

-- He's been consistently bad over a span of games

 -- He's been objectively the worst offender (defender)

-- You've spoken with him 1-on-1 about his performance 

 

If it's a case where Bradberry isn't capable physically, we shouldn't have given him an extension.  There should be a Nick/Desai (Patricia)/Bradberry private meeting where the coaches tell him "Listen, bud, we need more out of you.  We need you to be one of our leaders out there."

If that's been done and he's still playing poorly then a decision can be made whether to bench him.  Otherwise a decision like that seems arbitrary and can definitely cause tension/friction in the locker room.  With Slay out injured, IMO this wouldn't be the best time to bench your other experienced CB. 

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The question that I dont think anyone in here is considering is, just how bad has Bradberry been, outside of that Seattle game? That one was as bad as can possibly be. But in reality, hes still just fine when used properly. I dont think there are many here who recognize that fact.

In general, I think Bradberry does a good job.  Seems to be where he is supposed to be.  Needs to make better plays on the ball and most definitely needs safety help over the top on down the field routes...doh!

15 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

I'm not so sure about that, he's been poor all season. If anyone has a PFF of CB gradings i would guess he'd be near the bottom

hes been beat over the top in man coverage a bunch this season. Hes still good in man.

In the game against SF where everyone complained about out secondary, he and slay gave up next to nothing all game. (Slay tackled very poorly though).

Slay has often caught flack for actual good games by him. People often mis-assign blame to our CBs and likely the narrative about Bradberry is much worse than he deserves. 

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The question that I dont think anyone in here is considering is, just how bad has Bradberry been, outside of that Seattle game? That one was as bad as can possibly be. But in reality, hes still just fine when used properly. I dont think there are many here who recognize that fact.

The Seattle game was definitely horrific for him, but it’s not like he has performed well on the season, not that anyone on the back end can claim that. I think you have to start somewhere and there aren’t that many options. Slay is hurt, the safeties have had change due to injuries (and there aren’t any alternatives) and he can’t play inside. Plus you do have the option of trying the younger guys to see if they can hold up. I don’t want to make it out that’s all Bradberry’s fault, keeping everything the same isn’t working either.

6 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Hey Diehard, remember when you got all butthurt because I replied "Are you unfamiliar with Diehard's work" to someone who pointed out one of your posts was a tad negative, because you felt calling you negative was unfair.

What the everloving F was all that about? Was it a skit you were doing?

Something tells me you are well versed in the world of butthurt. You pick a post where I laugh at Ward and Penny being reserved as secret weapons to start blabbering incoherently? Someone is smoking the Christmas pot early.

2 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

The Seattle game was definitely horrific for him, but it’s not like he has performed well on the season, not that anyone on the back end can claim that. I think you have to start somewhere and there aren’t that many options. Slay is hurt, the safeties have had change due to injuries (and there aren’t any alternatives) and he can’t play inside. Plus you do have the option of trying the younger guys to see if they can hold up. I don’t want to make it out that’s all Bradberry’s fault, keeping everything the same isn’t working either.

You have to start somewhere? But you cant just mis-assign blame and bench a player whos actually not all that bad, and then give the team that rationale. 

24 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

 

Maybe we don't deserve good WR? We suffered through crap after crap at WR and they finally get DeVonta Smith, a Heisman Trophy winner and they criminally underutilize what he's best at. They use him to block more than he gets targets it seems.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

You have to start somewhere? But you cant just mis-assign blame and bench a player whos actually not all that bad, and then give the team that rationale. 

I guess the question is if he is actually not that bad?! Probably hard to define it with the problems this defense has had. He is serviceable on the outside, but that doesn’t say a lot. He gets beat deep and doesn’t have the makeup speed. Do you see other options from "our fan” perspective or would you not change anything personell wise?

24 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

With the Bradberry stuff, you have to treat players like men -- especially veteran players.  You can only bench Bradberry if:

-- He's been consistently bad over a span of games

 -- He's been objectively the worst offender (defender)

-- You've spoken with him 1-on-1 about his performance 

 

If it's a case where Bradberry isn't capable physically, we shouldn't have given him an extension.  There should be a Nick/Desai (Patricia)/Bradberry private meeting where the coaches tell him "Listen, bud, we need more out of you.  We need you to be one of our leaders out there."

If that's been done and he's still playing poorly then a decision can be made whether to bench him.  Otherwise a decision like that seems arbitrary and can definitely cause tension/friction in the locker room.  With Slay out injured, IMO this wouldn't be the best time to bench your other experienced CB. 

You missed one... 

You also need to have an option behind him that MIGHT be better.

Bradberry can't play at all without a safety over the top. 

45 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The question that I dont think anyone in here is considering is, just how bad has Bradberry been, outside of that Seattle game? That one was as bad as can possibly be. But in reality, hes still just fine when used properly. I dont think there are many here who recognize that fact.

I’m always skeptical when a player, or in the case of the 2023 Eagles, players, fall completely off a cliff from one year to the next.

It just typically doesn’t happen like that. Player decline is more gradual.

So, 99% of the time it’s a result of bad coaching. Which I believe is the case across a majority of the team so far this year.

Although, I’m actually very optimistic about Patricia…not only for the remainder of this year, but for the future also.

29 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

In general, I think Bradberry does a good job.  Seems to be where he is supposed to be.  Needs to make better plays on the ball and most definitely needs safety help over the top on down the field routes...doh!

I tend to agree that generally Bradberry is decent.  He just happens to be the guy that gets beat pretty bad (ever so often) and that’s what we tend to remember, unfortunately. 

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You missed one... 

You also need to have an option behind him that MIGHT be better.

And that’s the question that I’m asking.. could one of the younger guys play better / get better results? Of course I’m not seeing what the coaches are seeing in practices etc., so I don’t have all the info. Didn’t they perform pretty well against the Seahawks?🤔

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Maybe we don't deserve good WR? We suffered through crap after crap at WR and they finally get DeVonta Smith, a Heisman Trophy winner and they criminally underutilize what he's best at. They use him to block more than he gets targets it seems.

Kinda screams OC but also Hurts trying to force feed a whiney AJ

30 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

hes been beat over the top in man coverage a bunch this season. Hes still good in man.

In the game against SF where everyone complained about out secondary, he and slay gave up next to nothing all game. (Slay tackled very poorly though).

Slay has often caught flack for actual good games by him. People often mis-assign blame to our CBs and likely the narrative about Bradberry is much worse than he deserves. 

San Fran didn’t even try to test them, mostly because they didn’t have to

4 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

I’m always skeptical when a player, or in the case of the 2023 Eagles, players, fall completely off a cliff from one year to the next.

It just typically doesn’t happen like that. Player decline is more gradual.

So, 99% of the time it’s a result of bad coaching. Which I believe is the case across a majority of the team so far this year.

Although, I’m actually very optimistic about Patricia…not only for the remainder of this year, but for the future also.

Disagree 

players like cbs and rbs tend to fall off a cliff bc they are so reliant on speed