5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Saying teams are forced to respect Quez's speed.  Eagles coaches just have to do a better job of trying to grt him involved and giving him more opportunities to make a play.

That’s what we need. More quez Watkins….

 

We need more watkins is like saying we need more explosive plays.

 

DUMB AF

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s what we need. More quez Watkins….

 

The splits are out there. Every metric is much better with Watkins off the field. The coaches saying how he stretches the field Is more nonsense.

49 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I absolutely hate this answer 

Yep.   They DON'T need to create more explosive plays.  They need to be more consistent in taking what's there.  Teams are taking away the explosive plays, so just matriculate the ball down the field, ala Hank Stram.  It also protects your defense.    Plays are there to be made.  They just have to make the plays that ARE there and stop trying to force things that AREN'T.   They had two turnovers Monday Night.  Both were plays that they FORCED... and neither one was a smart play in the moment, nor was either one a good read... or a good throw.  

25 minutes ago, judunno said:

They won 10 freaking games what do you mean what gives me so much confidence. NY and AZ are pure utter trash and these are must win games. If yaw scared get a dog lol.

The redskins aren't trash? The eagles struggled to beat them both times. Same with the jets but they lost. I'm not scared about anything its clear as day this offense is underperforming and sirianni is not maximizing their potential. You can't be scoring 10 points in a half with this defense.

I hate dallas but I will give them credit when they played inferior teams like jets/patriots/commanders they squashed them and did not let them hang around.

Im a practical personal but sometimes I have irrational thoughts that sirianni and co have this master plan for the playoffs. But deep down inside I know he's not smart enough to do that.

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

It's mostly been that way for a while now.  Tampa bucks the trends with good drafting and exquisite player development.  The Pirates have a business model that makes the owner money: keep the payroll and team uncompetitive, take in enough in ticket sales, parking, etc. to cover payroll and profit from the revenue share for small market teams.

Yeah, true, it just makes me angry.  Yankees did it in the 90s, Mets tried it last year, now we have the Dodgers going for it.  Most attempts to buy championships don't work.  We'll see how this works out.

Honestly, I wonder if the hype is really gonna be worth it.  Yamamoto transitioning to the MLB is not a straightforward thing.  Japanese league pitchers usually go every 6th day and the ball is pre-tacked.  Most Japanese league pitches (not named Ohtani) take a season or two to adjust.  It's fine if you're playing the long game, but after spending all this $$ in the offseason, the Dodgers are clearly in win-now mode.  If I'm the Phils, my preference would have been for Snell this whole time.  He's a known quantity and a 2 time cy young winner.  

Also, I really want baseball season to start already.  I hate hockey and basketball.  

 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The splits are out there. Every metric is much better with Watkins off the field. The coaches saying how he stretches the field Is more nonsense.

Yeah bo wulf talked about it yesterday. Believe with him on the field epa per playis 13th and epa per pass play is 18th. Without him on the field they are 5th in epa per play and i think he said 8th in pass plays.

this again just goes back to if you had a better 3rd wide receiver it opens up everything for everybody. It makes AJ Brown, Smith and goedert’s life much easier knowing that a defense actually has to respect your third wide receiver. It’s not asking for someone like DeVonta Smith or AJ Brown. What I’m asking for is somebody who just competent out there and can make plays when it’s thrown to him or you are more willing to get him involved cause he’s competent. like they actually have to worry about and not Watkins who’s more of a hindrance then a help to them.

4 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Yeah, true, it just makes me angry.  Yankees did it in the 90s, Mets tried it last year, now we have the Dodgers going for it.  Most attempts to buy championships don't work.  We'll see how this works out.

Honestly, I wonder if the hype is really gonna be worth it.  Yamamoto transitioning to the MLB is not a straightforward thing.  Japanese league pitchers usually go every 6th day and the ball is pre-tacked.  Most Japanese league pitches (not named Ohtani) take a season or two to adjust.  It's fine if you're playing the long game, but after spending all this $$ in the offseason, the Dodgers are clearly in win-now mode.  If I'm the Phils, my preference would have been for Snell this whole time.  He's a known quantity and a 2 time cy young winner.  

Also, I really want baseball season to start already.  I hate hockey and basketball.  

 

I think the workload is going to impact Yamamoto in the 2nd half of next season.  He'll be lights out the first couple months then the change from pitching once every 7 days to once every 5th day will show.  I suspect in 2025 and beyond he adjusts and will be a top starter.  He is a really good pitcher.  Furthermore, I hope the Dodgers don't win squat and they just keep throwing money at it for years like they have been.  

24 minutes ago, pisceschica said:

The redskins aren't trash? The eagles struggled to beat them both times. Same with the jets but they lost. I'm not scared about anything its clear as day this offense is underperforming and sirianni is not maximizing their potential. You can't be scoring 10 points in a half with this defense.

I hate dallas but I will give them credit when they played inferior teams like jets/patriots/commanders they squashed them and did not let them hang around.

Im a practical personal but sometimes I have irrational thoughts that sirianni and co have this master plan for the playoffs. But deep down inside I know he's not smart enough to do that.

Washington actually had a decent defense with talent at the wideout position before they traded away their best defensive players and went full tank mode (after the Eagles beat them a 2nd time). The Eagles played NE before they started losing all of their good players to injury and in a monsoon. Jets were 2-2 when the Eagles played them and beat KC  almost beat KC without their starting QB. But but the Eagles the barely beat x y z team. Worry on I guess lol.

Correction.

23 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Yeah, true, it just makes me angry.  Yankees did it in the 90s, Mets tried it last year, now we have the Dodgers going for it.  Most attempts to buy championships don't work.  We'll see how this works out.

Honestly, I wonder if the hype is really gonna be worth it.  Yamamoto transitioning to the MLB is not a straightforward thing.  Japanese league pitchers usually go every 6th day and the ball is pre-tacked.  Most Japanese league pitches (not named Ohtani) take a season or two to adjust.  It's fine if you're playing the long game, but after spending all this $$ in the offseason, the Dodgers are clearly in win-now mode.  If I'm the Phils, my preference would have been for Snell this whole time.  He's a known quantity and a 2 time cy young winner.  

Also, I really want baseball season to start already.  I hate hockey and basketball.  

 

I look at it this way, I don’t mind what the Dodgers did in signing every good player and making trades for good players. If you’re gonna go out and spend the money you want to win at the highest level, the more power to. Middleton spends it might not be dodgers offseason but we do it just not to this extent. I wish the Phillies in the course of their franchise history had same sentiment. Been times where they haven’t.

The bigger issue is the deferment of the money. They’re basically avoiding significant luxury tax with Ohtani that allowed them to be able to spend like this. It’s a circumvention to the luxury tax put in place. If I was a MLB, I make it until they paid off that entire deferment it goes against their luxury tax. Not just against it but actually 70 million of luxury tax each year until it’s fully paid. Because then it prevents the dodgers from being able to do what they just did. If they didn’t have that deferment they likely aren’t getting Yamamoto. Cause they aren’t spending the money on Yamamoto, glasnow (he’s gonna get paid), Ohtani in one offseason with the money they already spent on that roster. They’d be in the extreme luxury tax. And if they would spend that money credit to them for just not caring.

to me it’s not about them signing the players. It’s about paying the piper for doing so. You shouldn’t get to circumvent the system to do it. should have to pay the piper for doing so not find loopholes to avoid it 

been rumors dodgers ownership sells when it gets close to the deferment of Ohtani. They’ll make a ton of money and increase the value of the team winning. And sell high and it could screw future ownership who doesn’t want to spend cause they have 68 mil to pay on top of payroll every year. Curious to see if the rumors are true when it comes close to that time. 

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yep.   They DON'T need to create more explosive plays.  They need to be more consistent in taking what's there.  Teams are taking away the explosive plays, so just matriculate the ball down the field, ala Hank Stram.  It also protects your defense.    Plays are there to be made.  They just have to make the plays that ARE there and stop trying to force things that AREN'T.   They had two turnovers Monday Night.  Both were plays that they FORCED... and neither one was a smart play in the moment, nor was either one a good read... or a good throw.  

I think they do need more explosive plays.  Would be great to see some 5 play 75 yard drives for TDs.  Doesn't mean bombs downfield all the time.  Furthermore,  any and all downfield bombs need to go to Smith or Brown as they can actually make a play while covered.  Quez cannot.

20 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The splits are out there. Every metric is much better with Watkins off the field. The coaches saying how he stretches the field Is more nonsense.

Accountability is lacking... that is the trouble.   They claim they are accountable, and act like they are accountable, but at the end of the day... only Desai has been held accountable.  

 

If they treated Watkins like Desai, he'd also be in the booth during the games.  

37 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

the jets lost to the chiefs

My bad... thinking of the wrong team lol. They played them tight and almost beat them. I was thinking opener with Detroit. Thanks for the correction.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So before the season, I thought it was gonna be extremely challenging for the Eagles to get back to the Super Bowl and win it. I just think when they implemented the salary cap that it made it infinitely harder to keep your team together and along with what seemingly is a ton of adversity for the losing team the next year.  There’s a reason why New England is the only one to do it since the salary cap got implemented. Just go look at all the teams the following year that lost the Super Bowl and where they got to the following year. issong the playoffs is the most likely and then followed by losing in the divisional round. If you get back to the championship game it’s super impressive and besides Brady no losing team has gotten back to the Sb

94 bills— lost divisional round 

95 chargers— missed playoffs 

96 Steelers—lost divisional round 

97 patriots— lost divisional round 

98 packers—lost wild card round 

99 falcons—missed playoffs 

2000 titans—lost divisional round 

2001 giants—missed playoffs 

2002 rams— missed playoffs 

2003 Raiders—missed playoffs 

2004 panthers—missed playoffs 

2005 eagles—missed playoffs 

2006 Seahawks—lost in divisional round 

2007 Bears—missed playoffs 

2008 patriots—missed playoffs 

2009 cardinals—lost in the divisional round 

2010 colts—lost in wild card round 

2011 Steelers—lost in wild card round 

2012 patriots—lost afc championship game 

2013 niners—lost nfc championship game 

2014 broncos—lost in divisional round 

2015 Seahawks—lost in the divisional round 

2016 panthers— missed playoffs 

2017 falcons—lost in the divisional round 

2018 patriots—won Super Bowl 

2019 rams—missed playoffs 

2020 niners—missed playoffs 

2021 chiefs—lost in afc championship game 

2022 bengals—lost in afc championship game 

So the last 29 Super Bowl loses have missed the playoffs 12 times (41.4%), lost in the wild card round 3 times (10.3%), lost in the divisional round 9 times (31.0%), lost in the championship game 4 times (13.8%), lost in the SB 0 times, won the Super Bowl 1 time (3.5%). 

Its been over 30 years but the 1991 bills went back also.

5 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I think they do need more explosive plays.  Would be great to see some 5 play 75 yard drives for TDs.  Doesn't mean bombs downfield all the time.  Furthermore,  any and all downfield bombs need to go to Smith or Brown as they can actually make a play while covered.  Quez cannot.

Agreed. I think it's accurate when they need to "create" more explosive plays. Create is the keyword there since right now they're just trying to force them rather than setting them up. We can't keep relying on 15+ play drives to score.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Accountability is lacking... that is the trouble.   They claim they are accountable, and act like they are accountable, but at the end of the day... only Desai has been held accountable.  

 

If they treated Watkins like Desai, he'd also be in the booth during the games.  

along with bradberry 😄

I know Julio is old and slow, but he's still got good hands, has anyone looked at his route running this year? I know he hasn't had a ton, but if he's technically good, could we make him a new age Jason Avant? Likely a dumb question, but at this point I'm looking for any reason to keep Quez off the field.

 

Edit: Before the roasting, I know Avant was much quicker and Julio is big and used to be a long strider.

Just now, pisceschica said:

Its been over 30 years but the 1991 bills went back also.

Yeah bills did it before the salary cap. It’s why i stopped at 1994. Happened more during the non salary cap era then after. 

5 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I think they do need more explosive plays.  Would be great to see some 5 play 75 yard drives for TDs.  Doesn't mean bombs downfield all the time.  Furthermore,  any and all downfield bombs need to go to Smith or Brown as they can actually make a play while covered.  Quez cannot.

I'm all for explosive plays... when they present themselves.  I am NOT a fan of explosive plays when we try to force them and it backfires.   And the mindset is off.  They got burned on explosive play attempts, while trying to force them.  That's not the way to go about explosive plays.   Improve on the short stuff... force teams to respect that, and they will have to adjust to you and that will open up the explosive plays.   But, if teams are going to sit back in a Cover 2 shell...  why force it unnecessarily.  Take advantage of what they are giving you and make them pay for that.

 

One other issue is that their coaching staff hasn't proven to be able to scheme guys open... at all.  If they could, an explosive play would likely come as a result.  

Joyner hit the nail on the head 

 

38 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s what we need. More quez Watkins….

 

If he hustled and played hard and ran every route like his last like Oz does I wouldn't have a problem putting him out there. Problem is I think he bought into that I'm elite thing and takes plays off. Oh and there's that he's not a very good WR thing.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm all for explosive plays... when they present themselves.  I am NOT a fan of explosive plays when we try to force them and it backfires.   And the mindset is off.  They got burned on explosive play attempts, while trying to force them.  That's not the way to go about explosive plays.   Improve on the short stuff... force teams to respect that, and they will have to adjust to you and that will open up the explosive plays.   But, if teams are going to sit back in a Cover 2 shell...  why force it unnecessarily.  Take advantage of what they are giving you and make them pay for that.

 

One other issue is that their coaching staff hasn't proven to be able to scheme guys open... at all.  If they could, an explosive play would likely come as a result.  

They live or die by it. Been doing it all year. More dying than living as of late unfortunately.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Joyner hit the nail on the head 

 

Seth Joyner??

Whoever that is

8 minutes ago, twistr said:

I know Julio is old and slow, but he's still got good hands, has anyone looked at his route running this year? I know he hasn't had a ton, but if he's technically good, could we make him a new age Jason Avant? Likely a dumb question, but at this point I'm looking for any reason to keep Quez off the field.

 

Edit: Before the roasting, I know Avant was much quicker and Julio is big and used to be a long strider.

Why not cut Quez and fire moorehead. What exactly has moorehead done since coming here in 2020? Aj brown was a pro bowl WR in Tennessee. Smith has been the only wr he has gotten from time he was drafted til now that’s improved and developed. And he was one of the most accomplished wrs to come out of the draft in years. Reagor, JJAW, hightower, quez all got worse over time with. Guys they have brought in as UDFA have shown nothing or no improvement. And we have wrs who have issues blocking on plays where they get called penalties more than they should and some give little effort. 

44 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Smith's practice schedule has been weird all year

Probably needs to do what Slay did.