1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Seth Joyner??

Whoever that is

Cmon Darius

Just now, judunno said:

If he hustled and played hard and ran every route like his last like Oz does I wouldn't have a problem putting him out there. Problem is I think he bought into that I'm elite thing and takes plays off.

When did anyone EVER consider Watkins to even approach average, let alone above average?  And we can just forget about him as 'elite'.

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm all for explosive plays... when they present themselves.  I am NOT a fan of explosive plays when we try to force them and it backfires.   And the mindset is off.  They got burned on explosive play attempts, while trying to force them.  That's not the way to go about explosive plays.   Improve on the short stuff... force teams to respect that, and they will have to adjust to you and that will open up the explosive plays.   But, if teams are going to sit back in a Cover 2 shell...  why force it unnecessarily.  Take advantage of what they are giving you and make them pay for that.

 

One other issue is that their coaching staff hasn't proven to be able to scheme guys open... at all.  If they could, an explosive play would likely come as a result.  

Don't disagree,  but explosive plays can begin within 5-7 yards of the LOS.  They need to.  That is where the coaching and scheming comes in to play.  

Just now, Freshmilk said:

Don't disagree,  but explosive plays can begin within 5-7 yards of the LOS.  They need to.  That is where the coaching and scheming comes in to play.  

No doubt.  It would be nice to hit a WR in stride moving DOWNFIELD, instead of always outs and hooks... and BUBBLE SCREENS!!!

 

We absolutely ran the ball enough against Seattle. That wasn't the issue. Seth Joyner is stuck in 1992.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

When did anyone EVER consider Watkins to even approach average, let alone above average?  And we can just forget about him as 'elite'.

He called himself "elite" and that we'd all see member :)

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No doubt.  It would be nice to hit a WR in stride moving DOWNFIELD, instead of always outs and hooks... and BUBBLE SCREENS!!!

 

One more bubble screen and Imma pop.

It seems pretty obvious to just about everyone that the offense should use short to intermediate passes to set up the long ball. It’s been successful formula for a bunch of quality teams. Another part of the equation is running the ball consistently. I think that was part of our success last year and it opened up the long ball to Brown and Smith. Seems like they got too enamored with the long ball and forgot what and how to set it up… 

 

10 minutes ago, RLC said:

We absolutely ran the ball enough against Seattle. That wasn't the issue. Seth Joyner is stuck in 1992.

It’s wasn’t the issue in that game, although they still could’ve done more of it because it was working…

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

We absolutely ran the ball enough against Seattle. That wasn't the issue. Seth Joyner is stuck in 1992.

That’s not what he said. What he said was get your running game on track along with your short to intermediate passing game and eventually the big plays will come off of that.
 

against seattle the run game was fine. their short and intermediate passing game wasn’t clicking to the level it needs too in order for the big pass play to work. hence how seattle was playing them defensively  

 

28 minutes ago, judunno said:

Washington actually had a decent defense with talent at the wideout position before they traded away their best defensive players and went full tank mode (after the Eagles beat them a 2nd time). The Eagles played NE before they started losing all of their good players to injury and in a monsoon. Jets were 2-2 when the Eagles played them and beat KC  almost beat KC without their starting QB. But but the Eagles the barely beat x y z team. Worry on I guess lol.

Correction.

Washington never had a "decent" defense and their two best defensive players were there on October 5 when bum Justin Fields hung 40 points on them at home 

 

BJ continues to say they need to come up with more explosive plays even though their methodical dink and dunk game was working in the last game. They would rather lose their way with bombs on every drive than take what the defensives gives them.

Even if the eagles win out they're not going to beat SF/DAL/LA if this offense doesn't get their act together.

18 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No doubt.  It would be nice to hit a WR in stride moving DOWNFIELD, instead of always outs and hooks... and BUBBLE SCREENS!!!

 

In general with screens, i used to remember when Andy Reid would call them more frequently and we were one of the best teams in the league at it. I don’t know what happen in the last decade plus, but it feels we have to be one of the worst screen teams in the league. Not just wide receiver screens. But also to the running back. It just feel like we are just awful since reid left.

37 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah bills did it before the salary cap. It’s why i stopped at 1994. Happened more during the non salary cap era then after. 

my bad 

One of "my guys" in this draft class.

Cooper will solve some of those speed issues in a hurry. 

The Steagles are so back

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The Steagles are so back

Greasy Neale honorary captain

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

In general with screens, i used to remember when Andy Reid would call them more frequently and we were one of the best teams in the league at it. I don’t know what happen in the last decade plus, but it feels we have to be one of the worst screen teams in the league. Not just wide receiver screens. But also to the running back. It just feel like we are just awful since reid left.

Andy was fired.   Doug was fired.   Sirianni, et al haven't been good at screens since he got here.  It just disappeared with these coaches.  

19 minutes ago, pisceschica said:

Washington never had a "decent" defense and their two best defensive players were there on October 5 when bum Justin Fields hung 40 points on them at home 

 

BJ continues to say they need to come up with more explosive plays even though their methodical dink and dunk game was working in the last game. They would rather lose their way with bombs on every drive than take what the defensives gives them.

Even if the eagles win out they're not going to beat SF/DAL/LA if this offense doesn't get their act together.

Hey... Justin has his moments lol

26 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

It seems pretty obvious to just about everyone that the offense should use short to intermediate passes to set up the long ball. It’s been successful formula for a bunch of quality teams. Another part of the equation is running the ball consistently. I think that was part of our success last year and it opened up the long ball to Brown and Smith. Seems like they got too enamored with the long ball and forgot what and how to set it up… 

 

Agreed. They could cook in the intermediate game with guys finding holes in those zones. I feel like they were doing that pretty well in the Cowboys game in spurts but they coughed it up. Julio is so freaking big they're using him way wrong. Between AJ, Goedert, and Julio they should be giving teams fits in the middle. Throw in some texas routes to Swift.

48 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Why not cut Quez and fire moorehead. What exactly has moorehead done since coming here in 2020? Aj brown was a pro bowl WR in Tennessee. Smith has been the only wr he has gotten from time he was drafted til now that’s improved and developed. And he was one of the most accomplished wrs to come out of the draft in years. Reagor, JJAW, hightower, quez all got worse over time with. Guys they have brought in as UDFA have shown nothing or no improvement. And we have wrs who have issues blocking on plays where they get called penalties more than they should and some give little effort. 

I’d argue that Smith has had inconsistency issues pop up…which leads me to say he really hasn’t improved.  He’s also grossly misused.  He’s on of the most talented WR’s in the league from a hands, route running, body control and smoothness/deceptive break the big one aspects.  He’s traditionally been incredibly strong attacking the football for his size and crazy tough considering the punishment he takes.  

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

I’d argue that Smith has had inconsistency issues pop up…which leads me to say he really hasn’t improved.  He’s also grossly misused.  He’s on of the most talented WR’s in the league from a hands, route running, body control and smoothness/deceptive break the big one aspects.  He’s traditionally been incredibly strong attacking the football for his size and crazy tough considering the punishment he takes.  

Which goes back to my point why is moorehead still the WRs coach? He hasn’t done anything to justify staying in that role. And it’s not like the Eagles haven’t given him resources to make at least a couple competent wide receivers outside of smith/brown. they are either status quo of what they been when they got to him or gotten worse.

27 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

In general with screens, i used to remember when Andy Reid would call them more frequently and we were one of the best teams in the league at it. I don’t know what happen in the last decade plus, but it feels we have to be one of the worst screen teams in the league. Not just wide receiver screens. But also to the running back. It just feel like we are just awful since reid left.

The last screen I remember working well, while also being somewhat creative, was the one to Swift against Kansas City (I think). I'd be fine with some more of those.

29 minutes ago, pisceschica said:

Washington never had a "decent" defense and their two best defensive players were there on October 5 when bum Justin Fields hung 40 points on them at home 

 

BJ continues to say they need to come up with more explosive plays even though their methodical dink and dunk game was working in the last game. They would rather lose their way with bombs on every drive than take what the defensives gives them.

Even if the eagles win out they're not going to beat SF/DAL/LA if this offense doesn't get their act together.

Dink and dunk was not working, they couldn’t consistently do it.  Game tape reviews are all over, some say the offensive concepts are beyond basic…and limiting us.  Others are saying it’s too complex.  The thing that grates me the most is that we have a QB who likes to vacate the pocket way too often, despite it being clean, yet none of our WR’s are coached to scramble drill.  That absolutely baffles me.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Which goes back to my point why is moorehead still the WRs coach? He hasn’t done anything to justify staying in that role. And it’s not like the Eagles haven’t given him resources to make at least a couple competent wide receivers outside of smith/brown. they are either status quo of what they been when they got to him or gotten worse.

Because he used to be a Colt

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