Just now, bpac55 said:

Covey, 1 offensive snap, 1 catch. Talk about production!

 

I used to be team Quez for the reasons Siri has repeatedly said.  But he’s just so bad at football that teams really don’t even have to respect/account for his deep speed anymore.

Julio Jones is cooked beyond cooked and literally shouldn’t even be on the roster.  Aside from the fact that teams do put a man on him in coverage, he’s like playing with 10 guys on the field.

OZ is the anti-Quez.  He’s sort of a better version of Greg Ward.  He’s not good.  He’s not dangerous.  But he goes to the right place when Hurts scrambles, he puts effort into blocking, and he generally doesn’t make mistakes unless he’s hit sticking Boston Scott on a kick return.  Again, he’s not good, but he really is the guy that should be taking all of the snaps as the 3rd WR.

Except for screens.  Smith and AJ Brown, elite WRs they are…but execute a screen they cannot.  If BJ will continue to obsess over a WR screen, it’s got to go to Covey.  He can do it.  And you need to integrate him into the 11 personnel frequently enough that his presence on the field isn’t a dead giveaway for a WR screen.

He CAN’T be that much worse than Jones/Watkins/OZ for a handful of snaps.

4 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I just expect Gannon to blitz Hurts like a madman this week.  Anything to get him off of his spot and running around. 

and it wont take much for him to bail out right

33 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

The Eagles had a pretty big parade because of that a few years ago. 

 

That's a pretty weak example. That play by the Pats wasn't dumb, it was just poorly executed. There's a big difference between mistakes, and being dumb. That play was poorly executed, albeit a smart call. Brady was open, and had lots of room to run, and they burned us on the same play 2 years prior. What Hurts did before the half was dumb, and only got bailed out because the Giants were dumber.

17 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Everybody wanted to see Hurts run less, now they are all complaining because our running game is less dynamic. 

They wanted the RBs to run more to save Hurts and make his career last longer

18 minutes ago, RLC said:

Our offense is 5th in EPA/play and 6th in EPA/dropback.

We're not in the 49ers tier, but this is a good offense.

There are 32 teams. I would grade them at B and B-, respectively.

24 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Passer rating is still a widely utilized stat.  QBR is useful, but introduces a lot of noise too.  CPOE really analyzes the execution of a  pass…basically expected vs actual completion percentage.  A QB that makes bad decisions (like Hurts) doesn’t get dinged for that.  Passer rating is just bottom line productivity.  

It doesn’t introduce the noise (or therefore account for) competition, situation, etc…so maybe you don’t like it.  Passer rating doesn’t account for those variables but also remains a cleaner stat…like the score of a game.  The losing team may have played better under advanced analysis, but they still lost.  He has not been a reliable or productive passer this year.

Not to get too far in the weeds in this, but QBR actually takes a lot of the noise out it. Passer rating has a lot more noise in it and credits QBs for things they don’t deserve credit for. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

A few more snap count thoughts:

-Why is Jalen Carter only playing 33% of the snaps and why is he playing less than Milton Williams?

-Kelee Ringo showed up. I'm all on board Slay/Ringo moving forward.

-VanSumeren, while it was one game, showed up more in 57% of snaps than Dean has his entire Eagles career.

-Nolan Smith still needs more snaps. He makes a play every game that stands out. Terrific hit on the pursuit down the LOS. They really need to take Sweats 78% down to less than 70% and Smith needs to be up over 20%.

 

I mostly agree.  I really like Milton Williams and fully support him playing a lot of snaps.  I also support keeping Carter fresh and healthy…he’s not nearly as disruptive as he was earlier in the year.  Maybe it’s a rookie wall, maybe one could argue he’s not playing enough.  I don’t think his snap count should be too high though…but 76% for Cox feels high.  We’ve got back to back high first round picks playing 51% and 31% of the snaps…so even though we all like them and they are playing well, it’s fair to question the return of back to back DTs there.

Ringo probably has some major rough moments incoming against real QBs, which he has yet to face in his 2 games starting.  But he’s talented and is playing pretty well…that alone is enough to entrench him as a starter at CB given the other options.

Sweat looked like an elite edge rusher for the first half of the season and looks like a true liability now.  He has been run ragged.  Sweat needs a major cut in those snaps…I’d argue even more than you said.  The issue is fit…Nolan Smith is Hassan Reddick, not Josh Sweat.  I don’t have the numbers on this, but it looks like Desai exclusively used Smith to spell Reddick, whereas Patricia has actually started to use Smith to spell Sweat a bit.  I just don’t know that Smith has the size or the anchor to do that.  He looks mismatched out there with a hand in the dirt against an LT.

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jalen-hurts/

I don't want to make it sound 100% rosy with Hurts. It's not. He's good, but not playing an elite level.

Concerning numbers:
- 44.7% completion % on playaction. That's 33rd! in the NFL
- 67.5% clean pocket completion %. #17. However, he's also 4% in clean pocket accuracy rating. So when he does throw it, it's good. This comes back to bailing out of pockets too early.
- 34.6% deep ball completion %. #16. This is concerning, given how often he throws it. Too much variance.

There's some other interesting nuggets that are worth checking out.

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

There are 32 teams. I would grade them at B and B-, respectively.

Eagles offense? Higher than what I'd give considering they have the talent to be first in the league in all categories yet still struggle in week 16

20 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Everybody wanted to see Hurts run less, now they are all complaining because our running game is less dynamic. 

You can still have a dynamic run game without the threat of the QB running. I think everyone is on the same page of not wanting Hurts to become the next Cam Newton. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I mostly agree.  I really like Milton Williams and fully support him playing a lot of snaps.  I also support keeping Carter fresh and healthy…he’s not nearly as disruptive as he was earlier in the year.  Maybe it’s a rookie wall, maybe one could argue he’s not playing enough.  I don’t think his snap count should be too high though…but 76% for Cox feels high.  We’ve got back to back high first round picks playing 51% and 31% of the snaps…so even though we all like them and they are playing well, it’s fair to question the return of back to back DTs there.

Ringo probably has some major rough moments incoming against real QBs, which he has yet to face in his 2 games starting.  But he’s talented and is playing pretty well…that alone is enough to entrench him as a starter at CB given the other options.

Sweat looked like an elite edge rusher for the first half of the season and looks like a true liability now.  He has been run ragged.  Sweat needs a major cut in those snaps…I’d argue even more than you said.  The issue is fit…Nolan Smith is Hassan Reddick, not Josh Sweat.  I don’t have the numbers on this, but it looks like Desai exclusively used Smith to spell Reddick, whereas Patricia has actually started to use Smith to spell Sweat a bit.  I just don’t know that Smith has the size or the anchor to do that.  He looks mismatched out there with a hand in the dirt against an LT.

This has been my issue since day 1. I love watching Jalen Carter when he's dominating and it's been fun watching Jordan Davis grow this year, but when you have a top 10 and top 15 pick (both who you traded up for) not even playing a full games worth of snaps combined, you have to question the ROI. Truth is, the entire DL has been a let down this year.

Yea, Smith's fit is more Reddick than it is Sweat but it does seem he's playing on Sweats side when he plays no? 

 

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Eagles offense? Higher than what I'd give considering they have the talent to be first in the league in all categories yet still struggle in week 16

These are season-long grades. If we were grading over the last 5-6 games, then I suspect that the grades would be lower.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Not to get too far in the weeds in this, but QBR actually takes a lot of the noise out it. Passer rating has a lot more noise in it and credits QBs for things they don’t deserve credit for. 

Well, that depends on how you define noise.  Technically, noise isn’t the right term.

Passer rating is a bottom line statistic, like the score of a game or a team’s record or rushing yards for a RB.  Yards, TDs, ints, attempts, completions.  There are confounding variables that influence those numbers if we want to use passer rating to state who the best passer is.  QBR seeks to account for them.  But in doing so, it is introducing other issues.

The best rusher isn’t the RB with the most rushing yards or the highest ypc.  OL, quality of the defense, expected rush yards given the holes they have, utilization in the offense…etc.  But it’s still a telling stat.

And a QB rating of 89 still says something.

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jalen-hurts/

I don't want to make it sound 100% rosy with Hurts. It's not. He's good, but not playing an elite level.

Concerning numbers:
- 44.7% completion % on playaction. That's 33rd! in the NFL
- 67.5% clean pocket completion %. #17. However, he's also 4% in clean pocket accuracy rating. So when he does throw it, it's good. This comes back to bailing out of pockets too early.
- 34.6% deep ball completion %. #16. This is concerning, given how often he throws it. Too much variance.

There's some other interesting nuggets that are worth checking out.

That is where the stats get both interesting and misleading.

I have always felt that Hurts is a very good passer when he does hang in the pocket and step into his throws (which isn’t often enough).  So it doesn’t surprise me at all that he has good "clean pocket” numbers.  But I assume those stats, for the denominator, are only using the times he actually pulls the trigger in a clean pocket…and not all the times he fails to step up or bails and the result is a bad play.

For deep ball completion %…I’d actually worry about that less.  A team that only throws the deep ball when they get a perfect look is going to have a higher % and a team/QB that does it with volume (like Hurts) might actually be lower.  I do think his deep balls have been off target too often lately and I’d be curious to see what % would be recorded simply as good throws versus other QBs.

Again, that’s why I do see value in very simple, bottom line, result oriented stats.  The Eagles love to throw so many deep bombs, yet Hurts has fewer 40 yard passes than Gardner Minshew and Baker Mayfield…and the same number as Joe Flacco.  Granted, it’s also 1 more than Mahomes, but he literally has no one available to catch those passes.

At the very least, Sheldon Brown should NOT be getting more snaps than 2 1st round picks.

 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

At the very least, Sheldon Brown should NOT be getting more snaps than 2 1st round picks.

 

What’s up with that?

58 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

The interception yesterday was a horrible pass, and the one right before it should have been picked too.

If we're going to do anything at all in the playoffs, he has to stop turning it over and the defense has to either find a passrush or stop the run.

I would be happy if they could at least stop the friggin run!

Why the hell did Carter only get 21 snaps? Did he get quasi benched after the too many men on the field penalty?

37 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I used to be team Quez for the reasons Siri has repeatedly said.  But he’s just so bad at football that teams really don’t even have to respect/account for his deep speed anymore.

Julio Jones is cooked beyond cooked and literally shouldn’t even be on the roster.  Aside from the fact that teams do put a man on him in coverage, he’s like playing with 10 guys on the field.

OZ is the anti-Quez.  He’s sort of a better version of Greg Ward.  He’s not good.  He’s not dangerous.  But he goes to the right place when Hurts scrambles, he puts effort into blocking, and he generally doesn’t make mistakes unless he’s hit sticking Boston Scott on a kick return.  Again, he’s not good, but he really is the guy that should be taking all of the snaps as the 3rd WR.

Except for screens.  Smith and AJ Brown, elite WRs they are…but execute a screen they cannot.  If BJ will continue to obsess over a WR screen, it’s got to go to Covey.  He can do it.  And you need to integrate him into the 11 personnel frequently enough that his presence on the field isn’t a dead giveaway for a WR screen.

He CAN’T be that much worse than Jones/Watkins/OZ for a handful of snaps.

I am 110% all for Covey getting more snaps in the slot. It truly baffles me as to how he can’t get snaps ahead of Zaccheus or lmao…Julio Jones. 

7 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

I would be happy if they could at least stop the friggin run!

Saquon had 80 yards on 23 carries.  A measly 3.5 yard average.

They are 8th in rushing yards allowed per game so far this season, 95.2.  Last season they gave up 121 yards rushing per game.

12 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

Guy is an incredible talent but such a drama queen. 

We aren't used to WR divas here.  For whatever reason, the diva and the talent seem to be inseparable.   There's not a lot of them that can keep from getting caught up in the diva lifestyle. 

It might sound stupid to say that Nick’s seat is warming up after three straight playoff appearances, but if this style of play and overall vibe of the locker room carries into next season he’ll be officially on it. They fired Doug three years after a Super Bowl win, so anything is possible. 
 

This team is in a weird spot where it feels like they are standing on a thin line between imploding or getting it together. 

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Saquon had 80 yards on 23 carries.  A measly 3.5 yard average.

They are 8th in rushing yards allowed per game so far this season, 95.2.  Last season they gave up 121 yards rushing per game.

They are not bad against the run, but for the last few weeks they have given up quite a bit of chunk plays. They have regressed, as they were Nr. 1 for the first part of the season?! 
And if teams wanted to run more against them, they could. Thing is, the pass defense is atrocious, so there is no need to run more.

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

The Eagles had a pretty big parade because of that a few years ago. 

 

If this play was 'dumb', then the Philly Special was equally 'dumb'.  The only difference was the execution.  Pats didn't execute, Eagles did.   That's not the same thing as dumb plays.    The Giants player jumping on the ball and holding on to it, when it was clearly NOT a fumble and taking a defensive delay of game penalty, on a play where the clock was guaranteed to run out is the epitome of 'dumb'.   And it bailed the Eagles out and got them a very important 3 points.

This is an interesting quote from BG for a few reasons.

First, he's right. All they have to do is get hot. They could be the anti-Phillies. I think almost every Phillies fan knew they blew their load too fast. When they hit in bunches like they do, you know they are gonna go cold and go cold fast. The Eagles haven't even hit lukewarm yet. If they can heat up, I feel like they will keep building off of that.

Second, they players are noticing how Hurts carries himself. You have to wonder if his teammates want more than the always cool, never shows emotion guy that he is. I'm not suggesting they don't like it, but clearly BG notices it enough to mention that they need Hurts to smile because winning is fun and it's OK to smile and have fun. Just sicks out to me.