2 minutes ago, paco said:

When it comes to MVP discussion you have to adjust for draft position.  That’s why Brady won it so many times.  
 

my logic is bullet proof. 

Now do passing yards and TDs which is what mvp level qbs can do

2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

First sentence is poses the flawed assumption

Hurts is a problem. He fumbled way too often 9 times in 10 games. And he has too many turnovers. The part on everyone behind goedert, brown and smith is accurate. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Hurts is a problem. He fumbled way too often 9 times in 10 games. And he has too many turnovers. The part on everyone behind goedert, brown and smith is accurate. 

Three top level targets? Boo effing hoo

its more than most qbs get. Good qbs produce with less

56 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Three top level targets? Boo effing hoo

its more than most qbs get. Good qbs produce with less

Where was that the discussion that other QBs produce with less from me? It’s a problem schematically to have an offense over-reliant on just 3 guys and everyone else is not used adequately, inconsistent in their role or just useless as they are a JAG. Even if it wasn’t hurts it’s an issue for any offense and Qb. Most good DCs can figure out a scheme to slow down an offense that only throws to 3 guys (since goedert returned its 80% of the targets) and the rest are guys who likely are JAGs or should be 4/5th WRs or not even on an nfl roster. Especially an offense that isn’t very creative and runs a ton of the same things over and over again.

So a good DC i know where you gonna target 80% of the time so i gear to slow it down and make it harder (not gonna completely take it away as they are talented but scheme to slow it down), i know your plays that you run over and over again, inconsistent run blocking, you can’t block or identify a blitz and hurts isn’t seeing the field. Quite the amount of issues and DCs knowing that you are highly unlikely to go anywhere else but those 3 makes it look the way it has for large stretches of games  

That said, OZ is about the only competent player in his role behind aj,goedert and smith. The rest are likely out of the league sooner rather than later (covey won’t cause he’s a PR not as much WR)

8 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Three top level targets? Boo effing hoo

its more than most qbs get. Good qbs produce with less

Comparing to last season, it seems like literally every position group on the entire team is off. It doesn’t seem like the offense or defense are playing with continuity, rhythm, or scheme that supports one another. 
 

I’d be inclined to blame Hurts, but looking holistically the entire team on every phase seems a step behind. If everything is a split second off, and rhythm is off, the QB is going to look the worst for it. He’s made mistakes, and those are mostly on him.  

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Where was that remotely the discussion? It’s a problem schematically to have an offense reliant on just 3 guys and a bunch of JAGs. Even if it wasn’t hurts it’s an issue for any offense and Qb. Most good DCs can figure out a scheme to slow down and offense that only throws to 3 guys and the rest are guys who likely are JAGs or should be 4/5th WRs 

You can’t scheme out AJ, Smitty, Goedert, Swift and a mobile QB lol. You can find an offenses tendencies and limit their money plays, I don’t think the offense or defense has been creative enough or had enough tendency breakers to allow their talent to shine. 

29 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

You can’t scheme out AJ, Smitty, Goedert, Swift and a mobile QB lol. You can find an offenses tendencies and limit their money plays, I don’t think the offense or defense has been creative enough or had enough tendency breakers to allow their talent to shine. 

They don’t use swift in the passing game enough for teams to be worried by it. No need to scheme him out as the eagles don’t do it. Swift had 0 catches last game and gainwell had 3. So this whole they gotta scheme for swift is laughable he is grossly underused in that area and has been most of the year. I’m guessing most coordinators are far more focused on the fact we throw to aj, smith and goedert like 70-75%. If they actually throw to swift, I’d tip my cap to them. otherwise im looking to figure out a scheme to slow down those 3 cause that’s 75% of the passing game. If swift beats me tip my cap, not letting those 3 as the eagles won’t move away from it enough for defenses to adjust and want to just continuously beat me with them and down the field  

 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They don’t use swift in the passing game. No need to scheme him out as the eagles don’t do it. Swift had 0 catches last game and gainwell had 3. So this whole they gotta scheme for swift is laughable he is grossly underused in that area and has been most of the year. I’m guessing most coordinators are far more focused on the fact we throw to aj, smith and goedert like 75-80%. If they actually throw to swift l, I’d tip my cap to them. otherwise im looking to figure out a blame to slow down those 3.  

 

I agree with that. We’re scheming ourselves out of success, and playing a vanilla game that helps defenses.

Id love to see Swift on some wheel routes, and options routes on linebackers. 

AJ Brown is 3rd in the NFL receiving yards and is pissed off. I think that’s a great sign of a guy who is focused on team success and don’t think his unhappiness is something selfish/ locker room distraction-esque. 

9 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

I agree with that. We’re scheming ourselves out of success, and playing a vanilla game that helps defenses.

Id love to see Swift on some wheel routes, and options routes on linebackers. 

 they aren’t creative as they are running the same things over and over and just expecting their talent is gonna win out. Good defensive coordinators are good for a reason. when 75% of the passes are goedert, brown and smith and same plays consistently then a good DC is going to devise a plan to slow them down and make it harder to consistently sustain offense through them and the eagles lack of willingness to go to other guys and lack of talent behind those guys are both issues. Frankly Oz is about the only one that is actually competent consistently behind them  

Since the bye week swift has 8 targets. Meaning just over 1 a game. Meanwhile brown, goedert and smith have been targeted in those 6 games, 129 times on 194 passes. Which is 68%. That also includes the fact goedert missed 3 games so it’s significantly higher in the 3 games he’s played since the bye. It’s been 78% of the targets to those 3. Hurts, sirianni, Johnson and howie are all part of this issue for various reasons 

6 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

AJ Brown is 3rd in the NFL receiving yards and is pissed off. I think that’s a great sign of a guy who is focused on team success and don’t think his unhappiness is something selfish/ locker room distraction-esque. 

He’s gonna need an extension within the next year as his contract is up after 2025. I don’t think it’s as crazy or out of the realm of possibility to think the eagles take a WR early if one falls that they love. Don’t think it’s likely but i wouldn’t say it’s 0 either 

I love how rushing TDs don't count when evaluating QBs.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He’s gonna need an extension within the next year as his contract is up after 2025. I don’t think it’s as crazy or out of the realm of possibility to think the eagles take a WR early if one falls that they love. Don’t think it’s likely but i wouldn’t say it’s 0 either 

Legette, WR, South Carolina RD2

Corley, WR, Western Kentucky RD3

Could be those targets

Just now, Iggles25 said:

Legette, WR, South Carolina RD2

Corley, WR, Western Kentucky RD3

Could be those targets

Love to get cowing as a slot WR. He reminds me of a lot of former Arizona WR Dennis northcutt. Think northcutt had slightly better straight line speed and cowing is a little more shifty 

18 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Legette, WR, South Carolina RD2

Corley, WR, Western Kentucky RD3

Could be those targets

Corley will be a slot weapon. Don’t see it happening but would love to see him on the Birds. 

45 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

You can’t scheme out AJ, Smitty, Goedert, Swift and a mobile QB lol. You can find an offenses tendencies and limit their money plays, I don’t think the offense or defense has been creative enough or had enough tendency breakers to allow their talent to shine. 

The offensive scheme does a great job scheming out their own guys out of plays which makes the defense's job a lot easier. Then I specifically remember when Hurts rolled out against a blitz during the Giants game and literally all the of the receivers stood still. It's just all around bad.

12 minutes ago, bitbased said:

The offensive scheme does a great job scheming out their own guys out of plays which makes the defense's job a lot easier. Then I specifically remember when Hurts rolled out against a blitz during the Giants game and literally all the of the receivers stood still. It's just all around bad.

Their blitz pickup is awful. Said during the game it might have been the worst I’ve seen in a while. Hurts not recognizing it, us not using a hot route and just coaches/players not understanding that something needs to change so you aren’t inept at picking up and blocking the blitz.

Solak made a pretty simplistic comment in their podcast, "we are two years in and their mindset is still ‘i can’t believe they are still sending blitzers when we go spread with 4 WRs’” (assumption goedert is counted as a WR in this)

8 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I’d prefer CMC (actually Myles Garrett), but is Lamar a legit MVP at this point?

I've been hearing CMC is a MVP possibility,  looked at him closer, and noticed that his speed and agility is very similar to Covey's.  Covey is a mini CMC.   The Eagles have been getting a good number of big plays on punt returns from Covey,  the 9ers have been getting a good number of big plays on runs and catches from CMC.  Very similar 40s - 4.48 mc 4.50 c. 10 split 1.55 mc 1.54 c.
The 3 cones of both are excellent, CMCs extremely so, 6.57 v 6.73.  Covey's shuttle was better 4.09 v 4.22.   Take off Watkins,  more mini McCaffrey (who returned punts and kicks in the NFL)

47 minutes ago, RLC said:

I love how rushing TDs don't count when evaluating QBs.

They count but don't really help to evaluate someone as a QB.

I'm not judging.  A TD is a TD and counts the same.

 

50 minutes ago, RLC said:

I love how rushing TDs don't count when evaluating QBs.

Are we paying Hurts $250m to be used as a battering ram on 1 yard TD runs?

My goodness….these routes against cover zero blitzes 😑

 

 

And another one…

 

3 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

My goodness….these routes against cover zero blitzes 😑

 

It’s why Solak said what he did during the podcast. It’s been two years and the Eagles have the same problem with blitzes and solutions that don’t work. They’re sending more than you have to block and the Eagles are like like in shock that teams are willing to send that when they go spread with 4 receivers and  running routes that  take time to get down the field. You don’t have that time because there’s a free rusher and they’re gonna force you to have to throw it quickly or take the sack or throw it away or just have hurts run around and do a scramble play. 

And now we actually have an outlet with Gainwell slipping out….guess what the result is