35 minutes ago, RLC said:

If he does what you suggest he gets hit as he throws. All the receivers turn too late.

Like a good qb does?

18 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

There are two problems on this particular play:

1)  There is no "look at me" target against the obvious blitz here.  The ball needs to come out within 2 seconds to avoid a QB hit.  This is a drop, plant, and throw to a hot target

2)  QB recognition is the bigger problem here.  It should be obvious to a high school QB that McKinney is the free rusher pre-snap; he's in a track stance displaying his intention to rush the QB.  Hurts defaults to his Plan A of running to his right, around the pass rusher -- not gonna work against a SS with agility, and the play is dead because of it.  Hurts should recognize that fact pre-snap.  

Without #1, #2 doesn't matter.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He had an injury earlier in the year and since failed off. Similar to last year he was good until the injury. Just hope during his career he’s not always getting banged up and then it effects his play. 

He was a lot better this year than he was last year.  Far more flash plays and better general rush D.  I agree he dipped a bit with the injury but then he came back and played really well again including the 2nd half of the Bills game.  Maybe he finally gave out chasing Allen to the sideline.

15 hours ago, RLC said:

We're paying him to score points. His ability to QB sneak is one of the best weapons in the NFL.

Yep, for years and years fans complained about the lack of a power back to convert short yardage situations. Now that we can convert them at will with our QB, they still complain. But that's why I love the EMB, never lacking in perspective.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Without #1, #2 doesn't matter.

What are you talking about?  Of course it matters.  How long does Hurts spend even looking for a target here?  0.25 seconds?  His default under any pressure is to tuck and roll right; you said in a previous post that he can't throw on the play because he might take a QB hit.  NFL players have to take hits to make plays.  

An NFL QB shouldn't even need an OC or head coach to scheme a hot read.  A single code word at the LOS gets it done.  

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

He was a lot better this year than he was last year.  Far more flash plays and better general rush D.  I agree he dipped a bit with the injury but then he came back and played really well again including the 2nd half of the Bills game.  Maybe he finally gave out chasing Allen to the sideline.

I feel their depth is an issue with Carter and Davis. Cox has been solid but Williams really hasn’t been all that great this year. They had a much better rotation last year to keep guys fresh. I get wanting to increase his snaps this year and having Carter but they are likely playing more snaps then what they envisioned cause they dealt away street, Cox missed a game and part of a game with an injury and Williams hasn’t been close to what he was down the stretch last year. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Williams really hasn’t been all that great this year

There's not a single play I can recall him making this year he's be an absolute ghost

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

There's not a single play I can recall him making this year he's be an absolute ghost

I thought he was going to make the biggest jump this year of the DLineman we had on the roster. Based off how he looked at the end of last year. He was really good at the end of last year and through the playoffs. He just never took the jump and kind of reverted back closer to what he was at the start of last year.

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

An NFL QB shouldn't even need an OC or head coach to scheme a hot read

Huh? Are you suggesting he goes rogue and calls a different play in the huddle other than what the OC radio'd in? QBs can't just throw hot wherever they feel like it, it must be part of the play design which falls on the staff. It's is asinine and completely contrary to how an NFL offense is run to suggest the QB can insert hot reads where there are none. Only a handful of QBs have ever done that at the LOS in the past couple decades and they are few and far between. 

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Huh? Are you suggesting he goes rogue and calls a different play in the huddle other than what the OC radio'd in? QBs can't just throw hot wherever they feel like it, it must be part of the play design which falls on the staff. It's is asinine and completely contrary to how an NFL offense is run to suggest the QB can insert hot reads where there are none. Only a handful of QBs have ever done that at the LOS in the past couple decades and they are few and far between. 

You think a hot read is called in the huddle?  Really not sure how to help you at this point.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

You think a hot read is called in the huddle?  Really not sure how to help you at this point.

In this offense it's literally part of the play, dude. He's not going up to the line changing routes individually like it's Madden. Is that how you think it works? 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I thought he was going to make the biggest jump this year of the DLineman we had on the roster. Based off how he looked at the end of last year. He was really good at the end of last year and through the playoffs. He just never took the jump and kind of reverted back closer to what he was at the start of last year.

Williams has always had much more upside as a run defender than a pass rusher, and that has held true in the NFL.  He's good good numbers in tackles and TFL; he just doesn't get to the QB at all.  

Cox -- 63% of snaps, 30 tackles (14 solo, 16 asst), 3 TFL, 17 QB Hits, 5 sacks

Carter -- 48% of snaps, 29 tackles (17 solo, 12 asst), 7 TFL, 8 QB Hits, 5 sacks

Davis -- 45% of snaps, 41 tackles (16 solo, 25 asst), 2 TFL, 5 QB Hits, 2.5 sacks

Williams -- 42% of snaps, 36 tackles (19 solo, 17 asst), 3 TFL, 6 QB hits, 0.5 sacks

 

He's productive, just in a different way.  

26 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yep, for years and years fans complained about the lack of a power back to convert short yardage situations. Now that we can convert them at will with our QB, they still complain. But that's why I love the EMB, never lacking in perspective.

Yes!  At long last, our offense has been perfected because we can more reliably convert 1 yard situations by slamming our QB into a wall than the rest of the league.  Lacking in perspective is thinking that all other shortcomings are acceptable because they've perfected the 1 yard gain.  

7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

In this offense it's literally part of the play, dude. He's not going up to the line changing routes individually like it's Madden. Is that how you think it works? 

If you want to believe no NFL QB changes a play at the LOS, I'm not going to shatter your illusion.  The overall premise is, a $255M contract means it's time to throw away the coloring book and start doing some thinking and pre-snap recognition, instead of thinking your athleticism is going to conquer all challenges.

Defenses adjust, and Hurts' play has been nowhere near as good as last season.  He needs to adjust and get better. 

Fully agree that the offense is worse than last year. But it's not catastrophically worse. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Yes!  At long last, our offense has been perfected because we can more reliably convert 1 yard situations by slamming our QB into a wall than the rest of the league.  Lacking in perspective is thinking that all other shortcomings are acceptable because they've perfected the 1 yard gain.  

They are far from acceptable, but make no mistake that almost every other OC in the league would kill to be able to convert those at the rate that we do. Take it for granted now if you want, but it's not some marginal tool that doesn't help us put pts on the score board.

To be clear, Hurts has been playing like dogshit most of the past month or so, but he shares that blame with the staff as well. I just don't see how bringing up the tush push is relevant when you're trying to make the case that he's not seeing the field well. The implication that it's meaningless or literally the only thing he does well is ridiculous.

14 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Williams has always had much more upside as a run defender than a pass rusher, and that has held true in the NFL.  He's good good numbers in tackles and TFL; he just doesn't get to the QB at all.  

Cox -- 63% of snaps, 30 tackles (14 solo, 16 asst), 3 TFL, 17 QB Hits, 5 sacks

Carter -- 48% of snaps, 29 tackles (17 solo, 12 asst), 7 TFL, 8 QB Hits, 5 sacks

Davis -- 45% of snaps, 41 tackles (16 solo, 25 asst), 2 TFL, 5 QB Hits, 2.5 sacks

Williams -- 42% of snaps, 36 tackles (19 solo, 17 asst), 3 TFL, 6 QB hits, 0.5 sacks

 

He's productive, just in a different way.  

Again which would be closer to what he was the  before his stretch to finish the 2022. First 6 games last year he had 1 Qb hit and 0 sacks. Last 11 games of 2022 he had 4 sacks and 5 Qb hits (in a limited role due to depth). He’s basically reverted back to what he was early in 2022. Solid against the run and nonexistent in the pass rush. So if you saw him down the stretch last year he had 3 sacks in 7 games. There was optimism that he would make a jump in pass rushing department and it’s why they could lose a guy like suh and replace hargrave with an uptick of snaps from him as a pass rusher and with adding Carter. It didn’t happen. As a pass rusher at the end of the year in 2022 he looked to be emerging. 

Rooting guide for this weekend:

Giants over Rams

Seahawks over Steelers

Vikings over Packers

Cowboys over Lions

Commanders over 49ers

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Fully agree that the offense is worse than last year. But it's not catastrophically worse. 

Go look at the turnovers, that’s the significant difference. The other stuff is on tape is there but we weren’t great against the blitz last year. It’s one of the things sheil and solak harped on in the offseason where we needed to improvement. 

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

If you want to believe no NFL QB changes a play at the LOS, I'm not going to shatter your illusion.  The overall premise is, a $255M contract means it's time to throw away the coloring book and start doing some thinking and pre-snap recognition, instead of thinking your athleticism is going to conquer all challenges.

Defenses adjust, and Hurts' play has been nowhere near as good as last season.  He needs to adjust and get better. 

They make sight adjustments, but those are checks at the LOS, which are inherent to the play design like I already said. Now go ahead and take a wild guess at how checks work, or do your best to move the goal posts after claiming the QB doesn't need the OC at all when throwing hot.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Rooting guide for this weekend:

Giants over Rams

Seahawks over Steelers

Vikings over Packers

Cowboys over Lions

Commanders over 49ers

You might get the three in the middle.  I wouldn't spend much time or energy on the first and last ones.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

You might get the three in the middle.  I wouldn't spend much time or energy on the first and last ones.

#2 negates #1 other than giving the Giants a worse pick. If Seahawks lose and Rams win, Rams clinch a playoff spot, so they'd rest starters vs the Niners. If Seahawks win, Rams have to play in week 18.

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

Fully agree that the offense is worse than last year. But it's not catastrophically worse. 

Yikes, ESP - content stealer 

3 hours ago, RLC said:

Fully agree that the offense is worse than last year. But it's not catastrophically worse. 

I wonder if there is some lost context here, where in 2022 the offense would get the lead and kill clock (not necessarily with the immediate aim of scoring a TD) vs. 2023 where we play porous defense/ get behind and must keep the peddle to the metal to secure wins.

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

They are far from acceptable, but make no mistake that almost every other OC in the league would kill to be able to convert those at the rate that we do. Take it for granted now if you want, but it's not some marginal tool that doesn't help us put pts on the score board.

To be clear, Hurts has been playing like dogshit most of the past month or so, but he shares that blame with the staff as well. I just don't see how bringing up the tush push is relevant when you're trying to make the case that he's not seeing the field well. The implication that it's meaningless or literally the only thing he does well is ridiculous.

I'm really not the one that brought up the tush push.  I disagreed with calling Hurts role in the tush push one of the best weapons in the NFL.  The tush push is a great situational weapon for this team, but it is not nearly useful or all-encompassing enough to overlook the flaws of both Hurts and the offense this year...or to justify the contract.  

Every time the Eagles are in the red zone, their entire playcalling and approach is centered on getting to a tush push situation, which results in a rushing TD for Hurts.  They literally funnel their offense into tush push TDs.  Given that approach, I don't think his 15 rushing TDs are some transcendent accomplishment that offsets his passing deficiencies and makes him comparable to QBs that are objectively throwing the ball better this year.