This one is interesting.  Given the number of times it happens to Hurts, a small increase in productivity would have a material impact.

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Patricia isn't anything special.  Just a name associated with Belichek.

 

Well, it’s been a small sample size of only 2 weeks, but I’ve enjoyed at least seeing some common sense with personnel usage.

I’m optimistic that with a few more key player upgrades, that Patricia has gained enough knowledge and experience to be a very good DC.

20 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

When has Lurie ever done that?  

 

 

 

That said, he's never hired a coach that failed to make the playoffs.  Take it for what it's worth.

During Chip's tenure Lurie was pretty hands-off, I'm sure this was due to Chip's contract. 

I think there were a litany of issues that ultimately getting Chip shitcanned, but what finally did him in was a disagreement of a stupid organizational holiday party. 

Just goes to show how petty some owners can be, Lurie is no different. 

29 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Seems to move very well laterally for someone that size. Intriguing 2024 preseason guy.

4 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Well, it’s been a small sample size of only 2 weeks, but I’ve enjoyed at least seeing some common sense with personnel usage.

I’m optimistic that with a few more key player upgrades, that Patricia has gained enough knowledge and experience to be a very good DC.

Small sample size?  He got smoked by Foles in SB 52.  His defenses in Detroit were awful.  When Belichek brought him back, he kept him away from the defense.

He is the Marty Mornhinweg of defense.

Never expected to say this, but I kinda like Patricia. If he can get over the Belichick lackey hubris, I think he could be a damn good DC. Seems to have been humbled, so I'm weirdly optimistic.

1 minute ago, Birdman said:

During Chip's tenure Lurie was pretty hands-off, I'm sure this was due to Chip's contract. 

I think there were a litany of issues that ultimately getting Chip shitcanned, but what finally did him in was a disagreement of a stupid organizational holiday party. 

Just goes to show how petty some owners can be, Lurie is no different. 

Yes, he did, but Chip was not an established HC either.  Rhodes - first time HC, Reid. first time HC, Chip - first time in the NFL, Doug - first time HC, Nick - first time HC.

And, in the case of Reid, Doug and Nick, these were all guys that many didn't think were ready for the job.   Rhodes was a long time NFL assistant, so he followed the more traditional trajectory.   Chip was a massive outlier, though.  

52 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Dotson has not been a hit for Washington. He's been a huge disappointment this year after doing okay as a rookie.

I think he's played well despite the issues in Washington, but I think your premise is fair that it's very early for him.

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Bring in Frank Reich (if he's interested in coaching again) as the OC.   Brian Johnson gets 'promoted' to QB coach/Assistant Head Coach.     Reich runs the offense... Johnson learns how to do it.  

 

If Reich says No... then who is the next guy?  That's a tougher question.  Same question exists on the defensive side.   Is Patricia the guy moving forward, or someone else?

 

11 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Yeah I think this would be best case scenario. Both guys, Reich and Patricia, I believe are very capable of being great coordinators and neither should be leaving for another HC job anytime soon.

If Reich were to come on board (and that's a big IF, as he has made comments about being done with coaching), I'd guess it would be as a "senior offensive assistant" or something like that while Johnson remains the OC. Have Frank shadow him and help with game planning, and be on a headset in the booth to help call plays. There's no way Johnson would accept a demotion, and you want to keep the optionality on 3rd round picks if he is hired away. Plus, given Reich's age, you want to hope that Frank can teach Brian how to be a better OC and play caller. 

On the defensive side, unless the year ends in disaster, I expect Desai to be bought out and Patricia to become the DC. 

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

Small sample size?  He got smoked by Foles in SB 52.  His defenses in Detroit were awful.  When Belichek brought him back, he kept him away from the defense.

He is the Marty Mornhinweg of defense.

Small sample size of 2 weeks here.

I acknowledge it’s not a sure thing, but there have been some encouraging signs. 

We could always go with another young hot shot like Gannon that sucks and ultimately gets hired away after 2 years.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Small sample size?  He got smoked by Foles in SB 52.  His defenses in Detroit were awful.  When Belichek brought him back, he kept him away from the defense.

He is the Marty Mornhinweg of defense.

I'm confused.  Was Patricia in charge of the defense the Pats had, and so he gets credit for their success... or was he just a fall guy that takes the blame when the Pats D performs poorly?

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 

If Reich were to come on board (and that's a big IF, as he has made comments about being done with coaching), I'd guess it would be as a "senior offensive assistant" or something like that while Johnson remains the OC. Have Frank shadow him and help with game planning, and be on a headset in the booth to help call plays. There's no way Johnson would accept a demotion, and you want to keep the optionality on 3rd round picks if he is hired away. Plus, given Reich's age, you want to hope that Frank can teach Brian how to be a better OC and play caller. 

On the defensive side, unless the year ends in disaster, I expect Desai to be bought out and Patricia to become the DC. 

You are likely right.  If I were Reich, I'd walk away.  

Nick is not that different from Doug in that he's a very good locker room coach and relates to players, but he's not touted as a scheme genius like McVay or Shanahan or Reid are touted to be.  I liked the young coaching staff the Eagles went with in Sirianni, Steichen, and Gannon -- all motivated and upward-mobile guys.  The problem, as I've said many times, is you need a pipeline of coaches for when the first ones get hired elsewhere.  

Doug turned into an untenable coach when he insisted on surrounding himself with glorified interns as coaches and coordinators.  Doug was in over his head in a head coach/offensive coordinator dual role.  Nick would be in over his head as well, and would look much better with a Frank Reich running the offense and a Mike Zimmer running the defense.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Nick is not that different from Doug in that he's a very good locker room coach and relates to players, but he's not touted as a scheme genius like McVay or Shanahan or Reid are touted to be.  I liked the young coaching staff the Eagles went with in Sirianni, Steichen, and Gannon -- all motivated and upward-mobile guys.  The problem, as I've said many times, is you need a pipeline of coaches for when the first ones get hired elsewhere.  

Doug turned into an untenable coach when he insisted on surrounding himself with glorified interns as coaches and coordinators.  Doug was in over his head in a head coach/offensive coordinator dual role.  Nick would be in over his head as well, and would look much better with a Frank Reich running the offense and a Mike Zimmer running the defense.

This is why I find the switch to Patricia to be somewhat encouraging about Nick, if it was truly his call. Once Doug won the Super Bowl, he decided to reward his guys and wouldn't accept change. So we got Mike Groh as an OC after Reich left, then no offensive coordinator in 2020, and then finally the failed attempt to name Press Taylor for 2021. Doug wouldn't give up play calling, wouldn't bring in outside voices, and refused to adapt at all. 

Promoting Johnson to OC was an easy call that virtually everyone agreed with at the time. Going outside the organization for a DC made sense as well, especially after they lost Fangio due to Gannon's shenanigans. He whiffed on Desai, but at least he showed the judgment to make a change before the season was lost. There's really no one on the staff to take over for Johnson even if he wanted to make a change (and I don't think he does). But Patricia isn't from the Fangio school and seems to be mixing things up some. 

That's why I'm interested to see who gets cut when Maddox is added. If he shows some balls and cuts Watkins...I'll be impressed. If they wimp out and cut Roby, then I'll be concerned.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

That's why I'm interested to see who gets cut when Maddox is added. If he shows some balls and cuts Watkins...I'll be impressed. If they wimp out and cut Roby, then I'll be concerned.

Should be Albert O. He doesn't play. He's 4th on the depth chart. The further we go into the season, the less the trade compensation matters.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Should be Albert O. He doesn't play. He's 4th on the depth chart. The further we go into the season, the less the trade compensation matters.

Albert O may have upside. Watkins doesn't. It also sends a message to the team that lack of effort will have consequences.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Albert O may have upside. Watkins doesn't. It also sends a message to the team that lack of effort will have consequences.

They have been in the NFL the same amount of time and Watkins has doubled the production of Albert O. I don't see what upside is there when he can't even get activated on gamedays. Most of his hype comes from Twitter analysts. 

32 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

This one is interesting.  Given the number of times it happens to Hurts, a small increase in productivity would have a material impact.

It’s interesting that there isn’t much correlation between how good a qb is and where they are in the Y axis.  The only thing it tells me is that teams like to send a lot of rushers at Hurts.  I suppose they believe the Eagles are most easily defended that way and do not to well with a quick drop back and release.

It’s like our defense is built to stop our offense.

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

Should be Albert O. He doesn't play. He's 4th on the depth chart. The further we go into the season, the less the trade compensation matters.

The trade compensation never mattered to begin with. It's a 7th round pick swap. 

Howie paid more for Kary Vincent Jr and cut him faster. 

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It’s interesting that there isn’t much correlation between how good a qb is and where they are in the Y axis.  The only thing it tells me is that teams like to send a lot of rushers at Hurts.  I suppose they believe the Eagles are most easily defended that way and do not to well with a quick drop back and release.

It’s like our defense is built to stop our offense.

When you're on the opposite end of the graph from Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen it might be an area of concern. 

I read it as defenses want to send more than 4 rushers at the "chicken salad" QBs -- guys who are prone to improvise away from the scripted play call -- in order to shut down their escape routes.  Hurts, Jackson, and Wilson all fit that to a tee (although Wilson may not run as much anymore).  Fields is near the top as well.  

23 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

This is why I find the switch to Patricia to be somewhat encouraging about Nick, if it was truly his call. Once Doug won the Super Bowl, he decided to reward his guys and wouldn't accept change. So we got Mike Groh as an OC after Reich left, then no offensive coordinator in 2020, and then finally the failed attempt to name Press Taylor for 2021. Doug wouldn't give up play calling, wouldn't bring in outside voices, and refused to adapt at all. 

Promoting Johnson to OC was an easy call that virtually everyone agreed with at the time. Going outside the organization for a DC made sense as well, especially after they lost Fangio due to Gannon's shenanigans. He whiffed on Desai, but at least he showed the judgment to make a change before the season was lost. There's really no one on the staff to take over for Johnson even if he wanted to make a change (and I don't think he does). But Patricia isn't from the Fangio school and seems to be mixing things up some. 

That's why I'm interested to see who gets cut when Maddox is added. If he shows some balls and cuts Watkins...I'll be impressed. If they wimp out and cut Roby, then I'll be concerned.

That's not quite the timeline.   The plan was for Groh to move to QB coach from WR coach after DeFilippo left to be the OC in Minnesota (I think), but then McDumbass backed out of the job in Indy, leaving a HC vacancy late in the process.  Reich got that job, and the Eagles were left scrambling.  There weren't many options available for 2018, so Groh got bumped up another level, Taylor moved up from assistant QB coach to QB coach.  And the rest is history.  But, the original plan wasn't Groh as OC.  That was an unfortunate option.

24 minutes ago, RLC said:

Should be Albert O. He doesn't play. He's 4th on the depth chart. The further we go into the season, the less the trade compensation matters.

The trade compensation was the smallest possible anyway.   He's given us nothing for the first 15 weeks... and he's a UFA at the end of the year.   Cut bait.  

23 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Albert O may have upside. Watkins doesn't. It also sends a message to the team that lack of effort will have consequences.

What makes you say Albert O has upside?  25 year old TE that can't sniff the field, or even being active despite having been traded for by this team.   He's regressed from his high water mark of 2021, ironically the same year as Quez's high water mark.

1 hour ago, Birdman said:

I think we all know how this will turn out...

Nick is going down the same road as Chip, let him dig his own grave, we'll be better off. 

As I've mentioned before, this ultimately falls on Lurie and Howie to straighten the coaching situation the F out. Stop overcorrecting and being power-hungry control freaks.

If they truly care about the team and fans, they need to bring in a experienced, veteran coaching staff, GTFO their way and let them do their thing. 

Let's get the Kirby Smart for HC rumors going. 

19 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'd go so far as to say that it may actually be holding the offense back.   Hear me out:  Sirianni has gone on record talking about the fact that because of the Push, its a 1st and 9 situation all the time, and it seems that they try to get 9 yards to get in position for the push, especially in the red zone.  That's why 3rd and 6 is a QB draw play opportunity... all the time.  

 

And then there's the short yardage situations that do arrive.  When in 3rd and short, they go straight to the Push, which at best gains 2 yards.  They don't really have counters off of it that can lead to big plays.  We've been running it for almost two full years... and we can literally count the counters off of it on less than 1 hand.  Really unimaginative playcalling and the benefit of a play that is that successful is to have variations off of it that could lead to a big play... maybe in a situation like 3rd and 1 from midfield... but we have no such counter... or they are so content to get the yard and the first down, they are afraid to call the more aggressive alternative, while still claiming they need explosive plays.   

 

At this point, I want the league to ban it so that it forces this team to get creative again.  

I don't want it banned. League and Nick just need to be more creative 

7 hours ago, GoEagles614 said:

Criminal. Waste. Of. Talent. 

Talent on offense as a whole is being wasted IMO