1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

This might be the dumbest thing I've ever read. Bo Wolf actually took the time to do this. This is a guy who has access to players and he comes up with this?

 

Black Pearl

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Yeah let’s not try to compare a Hall of Fame DT with a rookie who has played 15 games in his entire career.   Not quite there yet and he shouldn’t be.  SMH. 

What point is it you're trying to make?  That 22 year-old Jalen Carter should be completely worn out because he draws double-teams?  Let's not compare him to Donald, then -- let's compare Carter's workload of 48% of the defensive snaps to the next 8 best DT in the NFL:

 

Dexter Lawrence -- 63% of snaps

Jeffrey Simmons -- 65%

Cameron Heyward -- 66% after coming back from missing 7 weeks due to injury

Quinnen Williams -- 69%

Chris Jones -- 69%

DeForest Buckner -- 71% 

Christian Wilkins -- 79%

Jonathan Allen -- 80% of snaps.  Eighty percent of the snaps!!

 

How many of these guys do you think get double-teamed??  ALL OF THEM!!

 

Carter and Davis are NOT gassed.  If they are, they shouldn't be.  Keep shaking your f'n head until some sense gets in there.

 

7 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

12 personnel + pistol gives a very balanced look where all the gaps are available in the run game - which I would think makes play action stronger.

Didn't work out that way in 2018-2020 when we had Ertz and Goedert.

11 minutes ago, paco said:

Schmoopie brought this article up last night.  At the game vs San Fran I was surprised our section was standing almost the entire time.  However, our section wasn't making noise and actively shutting up the few overzealous fans that didn't know to keep a lid on it.  And given the game atmosphere was really heated going into it AND there were quite a few niners fans there, I was surprised it really wasn't louder than it was in those situations.

 

TL;DR:  No idea where that take is coming from

From a quote Jalen gave this week 

 

Carter is having a great rookie year.  Even though he will likely win DROY (which is huge, can't remember the last time an eagle was even in the conversation for O or DROY), his level of dominance has steeply declined after the first 3-4 weeks of the season.  He was instantly being compared to Aaron Donald and labeled a future perennial DPOY candidate...and he's not playing at that level.  So there can be some frustration from that fall off.  He's simply a really good DT right now who plays half the snaps...and in a pretty weak year of defensive rookies, that's going to make him DROY.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Didn't work out that way in 2018-2020 when we had Ertz and Goedert.

WRs help too - who were they again during that timeframe, I've forgotten.

From a bar discussion with fellow Birds diehards last night…

”What non-Eagle team or player will you root hard for this year if the Birds are eliminated in the playoffs?”

For me, I said the Browns and Flacco. A blue collar fanbase almost as passionate as ours, a great defense, and a hell of a storyline with Flacco coming off the couch. 

Just curious to see what others would answer. Some of my buddies went with the Dolphins, Bills, Lamar. 

39 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

What point is it you're trying to make?  That 22 year-old Jalen Carter should be completely worn out because he draws double-teams?  Let's not compare him to Donald, then -- let's compare Carter's workload of 48% of the defensive snaps to the next 8 best DT in the NFL:

 

Dexter Lawrence -- 63% of snaps

Jeffrey Simmons -- 65%

Cameron Heyward -- 66% after coming back from missing 7 weeks due to injury

Quinnen Williams -- 69%

Chris Jones -- 69%

DeForest Buckner -- 71% 

Christian Wilkins -- 79%

Jonathan Allen -- 80% of snaps.  Eighty percent of the snaps!!

 

How many of these guys do you think get double-teamed??  ALL OF THEM!!

 

Carter and Davis are NOT gassed.  If they are, they shouldn't be.  Keep shaking your f'n head until some sense gets in there.

 

Seems like you’re confused.   Go ahead a quote me saying JC is worn out.  Wrong guy there, bud.

 

But you go ahead and keep comparing a rookie still learning the NFL system - who has absolutey shined this year - with veterans who have had years to adjust their game, etc. 

If you want any sort of credibility, we can entertain this discussion a year or two from now and then maybe we can compare him with other vets. 
 

And he’s most likely going to win defensive rookie of the year - since most people compare him to other rookies.  

 

 

 

 

 

20 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

From a bar discussion with fellow Birds diehards last night…

”What non-Eagle team or player will you root hard for this year if the Birds are eliminated in the playoffs?”

For me, I said the Browns and Flacco. A blue collar fanbase almost as passionate as ours, a great defense, and a hell of a storyline with Flacco coming off the couch. 

Just curious to see what others would answer. Some of my buddies went with the Dolphins, Bills, Lamar. 

I don't think I'd "root hard" for anyone, but Browns/Lions would get the least on my nerves. Bills would also probably be fun games to watch.

 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

It’s going to be nice having Maddox back. 

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Carter is having a great rookie year.  Even though he will likely win DROY (which is huge, can't remember the last time an eagle was even in the conversation for O or DROY), his level of dominance has steeply declined after the first 3-4 weeks of the season.  He was instantly being compared to Aaron Donald and labeled a future perennial DPOY candidate...and he's not playing at that level.  So there can be some frustration from that fall off.  He's simply a really good DT right now who plays half the snaps...and in a pretty weak year of defensive rookies, that's going to make him DROY.

He exploded out of the gates and was DOMINANT to start the season. He was the reason to get excited to watch the defense. Jalen Carter was worth the price of admission. Not sure if he hit a rookie wall or what happened, but it seems like since the Rams game, he's flashed, but he hasn't come close to the game wrecker he was to start the year. I'm on the side that thinks if you're trading up for players and taking them in the top 10 and top 15, you better get more than 50% of the snaps and you better be getting dominant play. Carter is very good and has all the tools to be an absolute wrecking ball for years. 

I don't like that they have Fletcher Cox, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis and Milton Williams as their top 4 DT and we're discussing the fact that they need to bring in a veteran to give them plays off. The amount of resources used on those 4 should yield a much bigger return. What happens next year when Cox is gone? At this point, do they bring him back at 34? We need to see a huge jump in production, especially from Davis and Carter.

Fletcher Cox- 66% (14 tackles, 5 sacks, 3 TFL, 17 QB hits, 1 FF, FR)

Jalen Carter- 52% (17 tackles, 5 1/2 sacks, 7 TFL, 8 QB hits 2 FF, 1 FR TD)

Milton Williams- 46% (19 tackles, 1/2 sack, 3 TFL, 6 QB hits)

Jordan Davis- 45% (16 tackles, 2 1/2 sacks, 2 TFL, 5 QB hits, 1 FF)

Marlon Tuipulotu- 15% (11 tackles, 1 sack, 1 TFL, 1 QB hit)

Javon Hargrave- 65% (25 tackles, 7 sacks, 8 TFL, 14 QB hits...for the 49ers)

 

Eagles 2023 DT production-     77 tackles, 14 1/2 sacks, 15 TFL, 37 QB hits, 4 FF, 2 FR 1 TD  

Aaron Donald's career avg-      54 tackles, 11 sacks, 17 TFL, 26 QB hits, 2 1/2 FF .7 FF

Carter isn't even in the same zip code of Donald yet but I do think he has the talent to get there. The year 2 jump is something we should be excited about, but a lot depends on Carter attacking the offseason. 

I thought for sure that Milton Williams was going to play himself in to a Javon Hargrave when he signed with the Eagles deal but I think the Eagles can bring him back pretty easily now. 

They are going to draft a DT in the 1st 3 rounds.

 

 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Well it's not Jeff McLane but the even worse Marcus Hayes. Damn you fans who go to the game. Don't you know to shut up!

 

I hate Marcus hayes but reading the article sirianni, kelce, Dickerson and mailata all alluded to the noise effecting them and something they shouldn’t have to deal with. I’ll rip marcus hayes for a lot of things but this article is more on guys complaining about the fan noise effecting them. Frankly fans shouldn’t be loud at home before the play but at the same time sounds excuses for why they have their issues and trying to shift some blame for their mistakes  

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

He exploded out of the gates and was DOMINANT to start the season. He was the reason to get excited to watch the defense. Jalen Carter was worth the price of admission. Not sure if he hit a rookie wall or what happened, but it seems like since the Rams game, he's flashed, but he hasn't come close to the game wrecker he was to start the year. I'm on the side that thinks if you're trading up for players and taking them in the top 10 and top 15, you better get more than 50% of the snaps and you better be getting dominant play. Carter is very good and has all the tools to be an absolute wrecking ball for years. 

I don't like that they have Fletcher Cox, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis and Milton Williams as their top 4 DT and we're discussing the fact that they need to bring in a veteran to give them plays off. The amount of resources used on those 4 should yield a much bigger return. What happens next year when Cox is gone? At this point, do they bring him back at 34? We need to see a huge jump in production, especially from Davis and Carter.

Fletcher Cox- 66% (14 tackles, 5 sacks, 3 TFL, 17 QB hits, 1 FF, FR)

Jalen Carter- 52% (17 tackles, 5 1/2 sacks, 7 TFL, 8 QB hits 2 FF, 1 FR TD)

Milton Williams- 46% (19 tackles, 1/2 sack, 3 TFL, 6 QB hits)

Jordan Davis- 45% (16 tackles, 2 1/2 sacks, 2 TFL, 5 QB hits, 1 FF)

Marlon Tuipulotu- 15% (11 tackles, 1 sack, 1 TFL, 1 QB hit)

Javon Hargrave- 65% (25 tackles, 7 sacks, 8 TFL, 14 QB hits...for the 49ers)

 

Eagles 2023 DT production-     77 tackles, 14 1/2 sacks, 15 TFL, 37 QB hits, 4 FF, 2 FR 1 TD  

Aaron Donald's career avg-      54 tackles, 11 sacks, 17 TFL, 26 QB hits, 2 1/2 FF .7 FF

Carter isn't even in the same zip code of Donald yet but I do think he has the talent to get there. The year 2 jump is something we should be excited about, but a lot depends on Carter attacking the offseason. 

I thought for sure that Milton Williams was going to play himself in to a Javon Hargrave when he signed with the Eagles deal but I think the Eagles can bring him back pretty easily now. 

They are going to draft a DT in the 1st 3 rounds.

 

 

Good post. 

46 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

From a bar discussion with fellow Birds diehards last night…

”What non-Eagle team or player will you root hard for this year if the Birds are eliminated in the playoffs?”

For me, I said the Browns and Flacco. A blue collar fanbase almost as passionate as ours, a great defense, and a hell of a storyline with Flacco coming off the couch. 

Just curious to see what others would answer. Some of my buddies went with the Dolphins, Bills, Lamar. 

The AFC team that advances to the superbowl.

 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

We don't even have a good TE2...that just turns the WR 3 issue into a TE 2 issue.  It puts another blocker on the field, but also puts another LB on the field.  It's all a give and take.

Stoll is a + blocker as TE2, so he wins a lot of matchups vs. LBs. The other advantage is that most teams don't want to play 3 LBs. 

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

From a bar discussion with fellow Birds diehards last night…

”What non-Eagle team or player will you root hard for this year if the Birds are eliminated in the playoffs?”

For me, I said the Browns and Flacco. A blue collar fanbase almost as passionate as ours, a great defense, and a hell of a storyline with Flacco coming off the couch. 

Just curious to see what others would answer. Some of my buddies went with the Dolphins, Bills, Lamar. 

You mean besides the obvious choices like Dak Prescott?

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Carter is having a great rookie year.  Even though he will likely win DROY (which is huge, can't remember the last time an eagle was even in the conversation for O or DROY), his level of dominance has steeply declined after the first 3-4 weeks of the season.  He was instantly being compared to Aaron Donald and labeled a future perennial DPOY candidate...and he's not playing at that level.  So there can be some frustration from that fall off.  He's simply a really good DT right now who plays half the snaps...and in a pretty weak year of defensive rookies, that's going to make him DROY.

"Even though he will likely win DROY"

 

WHere is this coming from- I am very doubtful he would win DROY.....   he looked like he was heading that way in teh first 4 games.....  But now? 

 

aint happening

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

From a bar discussion with fellow Birds diehards last night…

”What non-Eagle team or player will you root hard for this year if the Birds are eliminated in the playoffs?”

For me, I said the Browns and Flacco. A blue collar fanbase almost as passionate as ours, a great defense, and a hell of a storyline with Flacco coming off the couch. 

Just curious to see what others would answer. Some of my buddies went with the Dolphins, Bills, Lamar. 

I like when a fanbase that's been loyal for a long time without a championship (sound familiar) wins.  Bills, Browns and Lions fans have been through a lot stay loyal to their teams.  I would like to see any of them win.  Other than that, I can't stomach the 49ers or Cowboys so whoever in the AFC is playing them I would hope to win.  I don't really want to see the Chiefs win anything ever again and I've grown to really not like Mahomes, but I'd prefer them over 49ers or Cowboys if they made it.

5 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

"Even though he will likely win DROY"

 

WHere is this coming from- I am very doubtful he would win DROY.....   he looked like he was heading that way in teh first 4 games.....  But now? 

 

aint happening

How confident are you?  Vegas seems to think so - and by a margin the size of the Good Year Blimp.  
 

 

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

From a bar discussion with fellow Birds diehards last night…

”What non-Eagle team or player will you root hard for this year if the Birds are eliminated in the playoffs?”

For me, I said the Browns and Flacco. A blue collar fanbase almost as passionate as ours, a great defense, and a hell of a storyline with Flacco coming off the couch. 

Just curious to see what others would answer. Some of my buddies went with the Dolphins, Bills, Lamar. 

 

1) Lamar and John Harbaugh and the Ravens

2) Browns

3) Bills

4) Texans if they make it.

5 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

"Even though he will likely win DROY"

 

WHere is this coming from- I am very doubtful he would win DROY.....   he looked like he was heading that way in teh first 4 games.....  But now? 

 

aint happening

Basically every site tracking DPOY odds.

D-Shiznit answered this already to you, of where it's coming from.  Other links below as well.  Some links when I googled are blocked by my work firewall but the preview of all of them lists Jalen Carter as the clear favorite.

18 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Huh?

Carter is an overwhelming lock to win DROY.

He's a bigger betting favourite to win DROY than CJ Stroud is to win OROY: -20,000 for Carter to -1,000 for Stroud.

He IS heads and shoulders above everyone else in his draft class.

 

https://www.foxsports.com/articles/nfl/2023-24-nfl-defensive-rookie-of-the-year-odds-and-favorites

 

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/betting/nfl-defensive-rookie-of-the-year-odds-best-bets-2023/

 

Anyone but Dallas or SF