1 minute ago, Uscg-green said:

18/23 3 touchdowns. So inconsistent......

At about 7 YPA?  Smith doesn’t have that drop and maybe we are singing a different tune.

1 minute ago, Iggles25 said:

This team will need 2 years of drafts to build a competent defense.

But by then, the window will have closed on this talented offense.

 

They won’t draft defense. It’ll be a receiver or offensive lineman and completely blow off defense.

Just now, tuffstuff07 said:

Yeah offense shares the blame also. I am not saying that the defense was even serviceable today but the offense has way more talent on that side of the ball to do that.

You don't think maybe it causes some panic when you play on a offense you know has to score every single time??????

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Always root for the option with the greatest potential. And again, they'd still have to beat the Giants to win the division if Dallas lost. What makes you think they'd do that after today? This is a silly argument and feels like you're arguing just for the sake of it.

Wrong. It was stupid to root for Dallas. The end. 

13 minutes ago, gregbwfc1 said:

Defense was beyond abysmal, but the offense after the Cards gifted them the onside kick was as bad.

Thought they generally moved the ball on them fairly comfortably but then played scared when it mattered most.

Soft all around.

Yup.   The concern was that they'd score a TD too fast and give the Cards the ball back to score a TD and 2 point conversion to win it.   Instead, they got stupid and came away with only 3, used a timeout they couldn't afford... and just looked completely out of sync.  They likely should have had to use another timeout, but the ref didn't start the play clock after the holding call on Mailata, while they couldn't figure out who was supposed to be on the field... Jones or Stoll.  Then they ended up having to use a timeout on the very next play.   Just such terrible organization.  They had no idea what they were doing.  And that falls 100% on coaching... AND that was before the Smith injury, so that's not even an excuse.  And from 1st and 20 they went straight into give up mode and decided to take the FG and just run clock.   Better option would have been to go for the first down... because they needed to kill the clock completely OR score a TD.   That holding penalty was a killer, but they have the playmakers offensively to still convert 1st and 20.  Just need to get a couple chunk plays in a row.  That won't happen with the QB lead though... 

18 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

But i was told Patricia was gonna make that slightly better. Maybe it is their personnel isn’t good or vastly overrated and their organizational philosophy to go fangio scheme needs to change. Fangio just got torched for 56 vs. the ravens. It isn’t a good philosophy anymore. League caught up to it. 

We literally can’t stop anyone. It’s so embarrassing. 

Nick said there won't be any changes but I'm curious if Howie and Lurie feel the same way

1 minute ago, QuinnWR4 said:

Defense gave up 4 consecutive TD drives. Offense had only 3 possessions that didn’t result in a score, and that includes the last possession of the game. But yeah, BS…

And the offense could only get a FG with a short field. The offense is not blameless. That's a ridiculous take.

3 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

You said they didn’t get a stop…so I was just letting you know you were wrong.  Keep thinking the O is fine though.

Today the offense was fine, 3 possessions that didn’t result in points. 4 consecutive TD drives the defense gave up. Only 2 possessions that the defense got off the field one of them being halftime. But keep thinking the offense was part of the problem today. 

This is what happens when you invest literally everything into the DL and none of them show up. Ojomo and Graham had decent games and that's it. Reddick got flipped 1v1 against a Fing TE.

I highly doubt we’ll see a chance this week with anyone. But I’d be shocked if after they lose in the first round if everyone is still here.

Just now, devpool said:

That's...the entire point of what I've been saying. People keep blaming the defense, who we know is terrible, but there have been PLENTY of games where they weren't THAT bad and the offense was. But people see teams winning on a game ending drive and blame the defense. Despite the offense not being able to score or do really anything.

Again, the Seahawks game is the prime example but it happened last week too. Everyone says the defense played like garbage but they gave up 17 points....

Ok.  I would agree with this take: The O is a good O with many excellent players but commits too many mistakes and isn't consistent enough to carry a team deep into the playoffs WHILE the D is just plain bad with a horrible scheme and very mediocre outside of a couple of excellent players on the DL.  Coaching on both sides of the ball sucks.  The O has had the opportunity to put some games away and they did not.

Just now, Wentz_Era said:

At about 7 YPA?  Smith doesn’t have that drop and maybe we are singing a different tune.

If the defense gets ONE stop in the entire second half..... ONE, then we are singing a different tune. 

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Nick said there won't be any changes but I'm curious if Howie and Lurie feel the same way

Thankfully Nick isn’t in charge.

Just now, Uscg-green said:

You don't think maybe it causes some panic when you play on a offense you know has to score every single time??????

It shouldn't matter. Why this team calls the plays they do is just dumb. Seriously why have Jalen even run it there when swift was gouging the defense.

32 first downs, wow

Just now, Uscg-green said:

If the defense gets ONE stop in the entire second half..... ONE, then we are singing a different tune. 

But we aren’t. Narrowly beating a bad AZ team is nothing to shout about. This team has given up.

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nah.  The hope was that Patricia could make them slightly better.   This looked the same as with Desai.  

The scheme is broken.  The players aren't as bad as they look.  They are bad, don't get me wrong.  But, across the league, other really bad personnel defenses are putting up better efforts than this dreck.  The scheme is why it is so historically terrible. 

Here's what it comes down to:

The offensive coordinator is doing an awful job, but there are too many talented players to not do something positive and score some points.

The defensive coordinator (and the new one) is also doing an awful job, but there aren't enough players on that side of the ball with talent to make a drive killing play every now and then.  We need someone to win on 3rd down and then the team can get off the field.  Last year, that guy was Reddick quite often.  This year Reddick seems to be in witness protection.  When was the last time he made a play?

They need a new defensive philosophy. Fangio’s scheme isn’t good enough unless you have good personnel and play bad to mediocre teams where you can employ it. When facing good offenses it’s proven more often then not to not work.

That said the last paragraph you made (defensively; haven’t gotten to the offense yet) all this goes back to the things i said were bigger issues 3-4 weeks ago when we had the convo of making the switch. Their personnel is a far bigger issue than their DC. Cause desai nor Patricia were going to make this unit good or even solid cause they have major holes on personnel to run the system they want too. They have massively downgraded at safety and Lb this year. And they’ve downgraded at the rest of the positional groups as well. Then add on guys have regressed from last year. You likely need to blow up the defense and start over which really shouldn’t be that much of an issue cause the only guys that you’d really want to keep are Davis, Carter, sweat, reddick, Blankenship (think he’s fine if you have a CJGJ type safety), ringo and brown. Frankly the rest are old and need to turn the corner or aren’t very good anymore. 

1 minute ago, Uscg-green said:

You don't think maybe it causes some panic when you play on a offense you know has to score every single time??????

It's their job. 

Just now, Aerolithe_Lion said:

32 first downs, wow

Against the Cards. But people here are blaming the offense.......

1 minute ago, xxeaglesfanxx said:

They won’t draft defense. It’ll be a receiver or offensive lineman and completely blow off defense.

Who cares about defensive players.  They'll just play anyone 10 yards off.

How many points do the Giants score next week? Over/under 30?

Just now, Diehardfan said:

And the offense could only get a FG with a short field. The offense is not blameless. That's a ridiculous take.

That possession doesn’t exist in a vacuum like you want to believe. The entire second half AZ scored a TD on every single possession they had!

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.   The concern was that they'd score a TD too fast and give the Cards the ball back to score a TD and 2 point conversion to win it.   Instead, they got stupid and came away with only 3, used a timeout they couldn't afford... and just looked completely out of sync.  They likely should have had to use another timeout, but the ref didn't start the play clock after the holding call on Mailata, while they couldn't figure out who was supposed to be on the field... Jones or Stoll.  Then they ended up having to use a timeout on the very next play.   Just such terrible organization.  They had no idea what they were doing.  And that falls 100% on coaching... AND that was before the Smith injury, so that's not even an excuse.  And from 1st and 20 they went straight into give up mode and decided to take the FG and just run clock.   Better option would have been to go for the first down... because they needed to kill the clock completely OR score a TD.   That holding penalty was a killer, but they have the playmakers offensively to still convert 1st and 20.  Just need to get a couple chunk plays in a row.  That won't happen with the QB lead though... 

Yes, I thought not even trying to get the 1st was unforgiveable. 

Just can't play scared, this is professional sports. 

Just now, Diehardfan said:

It's their job. 

What offense in history scores on every drive?