Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I didn’t see this til now. Shocking maddox is hurt again. Dude is made of glass 

 

Probably precautionary. Not that it matters after his terrible game. 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They won’t fire sirianni after one year. I’d be pretty surprised. I do think reich is likely going to be here coaching next year. What capacity is unknown. Probably should be at OC. I think it’s likely his best role and he has enough experience to understand game flow. I think he got shafted in Indy with injuries and panthers being a dysfunctional mess and drafting a guy he didn’t want.

Defensively is the bigger issue. Have a ton of personnel issues. So I’m not sure what great coordinator wants to take over a defense with the issues they have. And how stubborn the eagles are with keeping with the same fangio philosophy 

Will he be? Probably not, though I don't think he's a lock to stay if things get really bad like get routed at Tampa in the playoffs. But I don't believe in banking equity in sports. The Eagles brass should be asking themselves one question and one question only: do they believe Sirianni is smart and good enough to get this offense to a championship level? If they do, then fine keep him. But if what we see is what's really going on and there's not other stuff going on behind the scenes and he's just a clueless coach who was carried by Steichen then I don't care what he's done. If he's a doofus of an offensive mind, then they have to get rid of him.

And hiring a better staff around him isn't going to cut it. If he was a defensive coach, sure. But an offensive coach should be the brains behind the offense. If they feel they need to bring in another brain to fix the offense, then you essentially just have a cheerleader as a head coach.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I didn’t see this til now. Shocking maddox is hurt again. Dude is made of glass 

 

Maddox IS made of glass, but if it’s a reinjury, he probably shouldn’t have ever been playing.  He had a terrible game and seemed to be protecting the arm.  That one’s on the staff.

15 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

Is it? They rely on three main targets on offense passing schemes. Hurts has proven to be a slightly better than average QB. The RB room is also limited and they are about to lose Kelce and roll with an aging RT. They need more diversity in talent and play calling and young guys need to step up and replace the holes in the OL that are going in the near future. 

Hurts is going to end up finishing with close to 40 touchdowns in a down year for him. It’s not the 2022 offense, but if the defense was worth anything and could pick up and play complementary football at all the past month and a half, this is a 14 win team again and most likely get the one seed. The 2007 Patriots offense wouldn’t be able to cover for how bad this defense has been. 

ANother thing to factor in too: the pull Howie has with Lurie. Howie invested a ton of money into Hurts and Lurie signs the checks. If they believe Hurts' regression is due to poor coaching and a better offensive mind would take him to another level as a QB, I think that could factor into Sirianni's future as well.

It must be good to be Eli Ricks to have people so mad they completely forgot he got his ankles broken harder than I can ever remember happening to an Eagles player. 

15 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Will he be? Probably not, though I don't think he's a lock to stay if things get really bad like get routed at Tampa in the playoffs. But I don't believe in banking equity in sports. The Eagles brass should be asking themselves one question and one question only: do they believe Sirianni is smart and good enough to get this offense to a championship level? If they do, then fine keep him. But if what we see is what's really going on and there's not other stuff going on behind the scenes and he's just a clueless coach who was carried by Steichen then I don't care what he's done. If he's a doofus of an offensive mind, then they have to get rid of him.

And hiring a better staff around him isn't going to cut it. If he was a defensive coach, sure. But an offensive coach should be the brains behind the offense. If they feel they need to bring in another brain to fix the offense, then you essentially just have a cheerleader as a head coach.

I’d be willing to bet a lot of money sirianni is back for 2024. They aren’t going to fire him a year after making a SB. Would he have a hot seat in 2024 if it continues? Yes. Doug’s 2018 looked dead in the water until foles got hot. And in 2019 they looked dead after a December loss to a bad Miami team. they got better entering the playoffs but really the eagles were as inconsistent as these teams and there was as much dysfunction going on with stuff leaking out. Yet they gave doug another year after two 9-7 years.

you think John harbaugh is strictly the brains behind the ravens D and Lamar’s offense? I don’t. Baltimore fans tried to run harbaugh out a couple years ago before he got lamar and now they look like the best team in the league.  Not saying sirianni is harbaugh at all but this BS if they hire better offensive assistants won’t make a difference in terms of sirianni’s ability. getting another voice outside of the organization always is useful for any coach no matter how good or bad. Sirianni is in year 3 as a HC. Acting like he is a finish product after year 3 is quite a statement nor can’t learn from mistakes of this year 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Maddox IS made of glass, but if it’s a reinjury, he probably shouldn’t have ever been playing.  He had a terrible game and seemed to be protecting the arm.  That one’s on the staff.

If he was heading to get an X-Ray he most likely didn’t reaggravate the pec injury. He’d be getting another MRI. Probably broke his arm or something. 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

It must be good to be Eli Ricks to have people so mad they completely forgot he got his ankles broken harder than I can ever remember happening to an Eagles player. 

I told my wife about the play.  "You want to see a guy break his ankles like I've never seen before."  She didn't understand the metaphor... and when she saw the replay she said, "He might have actually hurt himself.  That looked painful."  

We’ve had 2 DCs look awful.  Desai was so conservative with the soft-zone, never blitzing, no creativity.  Patricia came in with such an easy, no risk mandate…just shake it up and suck less.

They may press *slightly* more often, but the defense really looks the same.  It would be so easy for him to just do what the fans were asking.

Has anyone considered the possibility that the defensive personnel just flat out sucks?…and that running a more typical, aggressive scheme would result in even more carnage?

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I told my wife about the play.  "You want to see a guy break his ankles like I've never seen before."  She didn't understand the metaphor... and when she saw the replay she said, "He might have actually hurt himself.  That looked painful."  

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

 

Has anyone considered the possibility that the defensive personnel just flat out sucks?…

ME! I’ve been saying this for over a month 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

We’ve had 2 DCs look awful.  Desai was so conservative with the soft-zone, never blitzing, no creativity.  Patricia came in with such an easy, no risk mandate…just shake it up and suck less.

They may press *slightly* more often, but the defense really looks the same.  It would be so easy for him to just do what the fans were asking.

Has anyone considered the possibility that the defensive personnel just flat out sucks?…and that running a more typical, aggressive scheme would result in even more carnage?

Desai is like Jim Johnson if you want to compare him blitzing to whatever the hell Patricia is doing 

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Hurts is going to end up finishing with close to 40 touchdowns in a down year for him. It’s not the 2022 offense, but if the defense was worth anything and could pick up and play complementary football at all the past month and a half, this is a 14 win team again and most likely get the one seed. The 2007 Patriots offense wouldn’t be able to cover for how bad this defense has been. 

Well, I guess this is where we disagree. What if what we see is not a down year, but as good as Hurts can be. Playing from behind much more this season forced the offense to be opened up. The offense is too predictable and too easy to scheme away key players. Opposing defenses even took away Hurts' running ability for the most part. The game plan of getting early leads and then turning loose the DL worked last year, but there has been no growth...all the same. They didn't have those early  leads and everything fell back on Hurts' shoulders.

2 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

Well, I guess this is where we disagree. What if what we see is not a down year, but as good as Hurts can be. Playing from behind much more this season forced the offense to be opened up. The offense is too predictable and too easy to scheme away key players. Opposing defenses even took away Hurts' running ability for the most part. The game plan of getting early leads and then turning loose the DL worked last year, but there has been no growth...all the same. They didn't have those early  leads and everything fell back on Hurts' shoulders.

Not to mention this is likely as easy as it’s going to get on offense. It’s going to take a masterclass in drafting to come close to having as good skill players with a good offensive line. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d be willing to bet a lot of money sirianni is back for 2024. They aren’t going to fire him a year after making a SB. Would he have a hot seat in 2024 if it continues? Yes. Doug’s 2018 looked dead in the water until foles got hot. And in 2019 they looked dead after a December loss to a bad Miami team. they got better entering the playoffs but really the eagles were as inconsistent as these teams and there was as much dysfunction going on with stuff leaking out. Yet they gave doug another year after two 9-7 years.

you think John harbaugh is strictly the brains behind the ravens D and Lamar’s offense? I don’t. Baltimore fans tried to run harbaugh out a couple years ago before he got lamar and now they look like the best team in the league.  Not saying sirianni is harbaugh but this BS if they hire better offensive assistants won’t make a difference. getting another voice outside of the organization always is useful for any coach no matter how good or bad 

Normally I would agree with your assessment of Siri, but I don't think his situation fits in the general mold. What does he actually bring to the team? I think he is very replaceable with a offensive mind. I am not sure his replacement is out there this year, so that may be his only saving grace. I think he has lost the locker room....there is no coming back from that.

4 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

Well, I guess this is where we disagree. What if what we see is not a down year, but as good as Hurts can be. Playing from behind much more this season forced the offense to be opened up. The offense is too predictable and too easy to scheme away key players. Opposing defenses even took away Hurts' running ability for the most part. The game plan of getting early leads and then turning loose the DL worked last year, but there has been no growth...all the same. They didn't have those early  leads and everything fell back on Hurts' shoulders.

People might not want to accept it but maybe hurts 2022 is an outlier. Not that he can’t be a good Qb but maybe he’s not the second best Qb in the nfl consistently. he’s not 2021 hurts but he’s also not going to be 2022 hurts consistently again. Really 2023 hurts is somewhere in the middle of those two years. a chance he’s likely going to be like that for his career but you hope less turnovers. 

11 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

Then the 49ers

29 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They won’t fire sirianni after one year. I’d be pretty surprised. I do think reich is likely going to be here coaching next year. What capacity is unknown. Probably should be at OC. I think it’s likely his best role and he has enough experience to understand game flow. I think he got shafted in Indy with injuries and panthers being a dysfunctional mess and drafting a guy he didn’t want.

Defensively is the bigger issue. Have a ton of personnel issues. So I’m not sure what great coordinator wants to take over a defense with the issues they have. And how stubborn the eagles are with keeping with the same fangio philosophy 

Would Reich want to be the OC here though? If he would be left alone to run his offense as he wants, then maybe.  Is he gonna be beholden to Julian Lurie's analytic dept? If he is, he would be better off just staying at home and collecting his 8 million dollars per year from Carolina to do nothing. 

This all comes down to 2 things…

The coaching/QB dynamic and Howie’s personnel decisions.  We get all angry about how the safeties and LBs suck…but that stuff can be flipped in a year.

If Howie can’t stop alternating between golden Midas touch and nuclear ash each offseason and if the passing game can’t find consistency at a $250m investment…nothing else matters.  And if Hurts/coaching can reignite 2022 and Howie starts nailing his moves again…they’ll be fine.

 

Vikings collapse here is bad too 

Wonder if they don't try and get Lincoln Reilly again. Didn't they want him before siri 

2 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

Normally I would agree with your assessment of Siri, but I don't think his situation fits in the general mold. What does he actually bring to the team? I think he is very replaceable with an offensive mind. I am not sure his replacement is out there this year, so that may be his only saving grace. I think he has lost the locker room....there is no coming back from that.

I’d be really surprised if sirianni is fired a year after a SB appearance. I do think he’ll be on the hot seat in 2024 if this deteriorates more and more stuff leaks out. the eagles have done a lot of questionable things FO wise, but they have yet to fire a HC after one regression season since hiring Andy years ago. They didn’t fire reid after 2011 (probably should’ve). They didn’t fire chip after 2014 (probably should’ve). Didn’t fire doug after 2019. I do think he’s on the hot seat in 2024. But i don’t see him getting fired after this year. 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Vikings collapse here is bad too 

They have more reason to collapse.   Who is their QB?  Jaren Hall?