1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

What sort of draft capital would Jalen Hurts fetch in a trade?

Yes, I'm serious. 

You might be serious but its unrealistic and dumb to even mention. 

30 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Yes, the defense sucks. We knew that going into the game. I don't see enough opprobrium directed toward the offense. The offense scored 14 points in the first half and only 10 in the second.

This was at home against the Cardinals.

Not nearly good enough.

The final offensive drive where they were rolling and then after the holding penalty call QB draw, QB draw, bubble screen… that was so laughable you’d think we were being trolled. And sadly, so predictable. They talk every week about how they’ll learn and they’ll fix it and they do the same stuff every week. I’ve never seen an offense look like it was coached by such incompetence before. Not even Nathaniel Hackett would’ve called a series so pathetic. Either they forfeited the TD and just wanted to settle in the FG, or they actually thought those were the best plays to call there. I’m not sure which is worse. That series should cost people their jobs, it was that bad. The entire stadium was absolutely incredulous when it was happening. Just stupefying.

4 minutes ago, CheesesteakNBeer said:

There is a flipside of that...this offensive line is probably the best run blocking group in the leauge due to talent and philosophy. He's not going to get the open gaps most places that he does here.

In a normal year yes. I think the Eagles OL has been widely overrated this year. They haven't opened up those gaps and holes like we're used to. 

Happy New Year to all! 

Still hard to digest what I saw last evening, but as usual, the frustration will get better in time.

This is by far the most frustrating season I’ve experienced. Even the bad years of losing weren’t this frustrating. You didn’t expect more and still got one or two good games where that bad team came up with something. 
The worst part about this year for me is the defensive performance. Philly football was known for hard nosed defense, even if the team was bad. This D is soft and can’t tackle worth a damn. Disgraceful effort yesterday. I’ve been saying it for weeks that our run D was not that good and yesterday we found out that "not good” is an understatement. Teams just didn’t have or want to run consistently because the passing D is even worse. 
 

And worst part of all of this is that Dallas might actually go deep into the playoffs now that we screwed up and practically gifted them the division. Unbelievable 🤦🏼

 

17 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

You think they deserve the rest?

No, but a reset is our best shot.

7 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

What sort of draft capital would Jalen Hurts fetch in a trade?

Yes, I'm serious. 

Hurts for Surtain 

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

You might be serious but its unrealistic and dumb to even mention. 

If team is looking for a QB they are going to have to be completely sold that he is the one to not only give up draft capital but also take on the contract.

QB contracts continue to hamstring teams that need to fill other positions of need with more competitive talent. If the QB ability can’t overcome the lesser talent gap at other positions is it really worth it to pay 50 - 60 mil a year? TB is probably the only one that has ever been worth that much of the total team salary cap imo.

Too many better than average QBs get paid ridiculous contracts, and it hurts the rest of the roster.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The final offensive drive where they were rolling and then after the holding penalty call QB draw, QB draw, bubble screen… that was so laughable you’d think we were being trolled. And sadly, so predictable. They talk every week about how they’ll learn and they’ll fix it and they do the same stuff every week. I’ve never seen an offense look like it was coached by such incompetence before. Not even Nathaniel Hackett would’ve called a series so pathetic. Either they forfeited the TD and just wanted to settle in the FG, or they actually thought those were the best plays to call there. I’m not sure which is worse. That series should cost people their jobs, it was that bad. The entire stadium was absolutely incredulous when it was happening. Just stupefying.

I asked this yesterday but doesn't Hurts have the authority to audible and change plays at the LOS? 

He's getting 250+ million and considered a top 5-10 QB.  He should be changing things at the line if need be.

Now this I have issues with.  Not only was the play calling an abomination on that drive - it was so devoid of logic and reason that it led to our elite WR getting injured when the damn play should have never been called to begin with in that situation …this is infuriating….

If you guys think anyone is safe (other than Stoutland) I have news for you….

 

When incompetent play calling begins to get your players injured - get ready for the storm that is coming. 

The good news is while this season has gone down the ****, there’s a lot of reason for optimism next season. They win 11 games with coaching this bad and flaws this apparent. If Howie can have one of this GOAT Howie offseasons, which he’s shown he can do before, this team will be fine.

But the coaching staff needs a major major overhaul for me to be confident in that, and if the season ends like we think it will, I think an overhaul is likely.

1 minute ago, Joe Ball said:

If team is looking for a QB they are going to have to be completely sold that he is the one to not only give up draft capital but also take on the contract.

QB contracts continue to hamstring teams that need to fill other positions of need with more competitive talent. If the QB ability can’t overcome the lesser talent gap at other positions is it really worth it to pay 50 - 60 mil a year? TB is probably the only one that has ever been worth that much of the total team salary cap imo.

Too many better than average QBs get paid ridiculous contracts, and it hurts the rest of the roster.

There is ZERO chance the FO moves on from Hurts. Just the talk of it is dumb. No one truly thinks Howie, Lurie will make a trade to move on from him after 1 avg year.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Now this I have issues with.  Not only was the play calling an abomination on that drive - it was so devoid of logic and reason that it led to our elite WR getting injured when the damn play should have never been called to begin with in that situation …this is infuriating….

If you guys think anyone is safe (other than Stoutland) I have news for you….

Only logical explanation why they went QB draw 2x and then screen was to kill clock and kick a FG.

There is no other explanation but it still wasn't smart.

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

There is ZERO chance the FO moves on from Hurts. Just the talk of it is dumb. No one truly thinks Howie, Lurie will make a trade to move on from him after 1 avg year.

We would need a real OC first with an NFL offense. And he will likely want to try to make it work with Hurts based on last season success. 

We won't be looking for a new QB till a year or 2 after than when hurts fails to run an NFL style offense. 

Just now, 315Eagles said:

Only logical explanation why they went QB draw 2x and then screen was to kill clock and kick a FG.

There is no other explanation but it still wasn't smart.

Hurts. Hero ball.

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

Only logical explanation why they went QB draw 2x and then screen was to kill clock and kick a FG.

There is no other explanation but it still wasn't smart.

Why are they trying to kill the clock with that much time left?  If that’s the case, heads should be rolling for that decision as well. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

We would need a real OC first with an NFL offense. And he will likely want to try to make it work with Hurts based on last season success. 

We won't be looking for a new QB till a year or 2 after than when hurts fails to run an NFL style offense. 

Best bet is we fail 2 more years and land the top pick in the draft during the Arch Manning Draft. 

Then you can move on from Hurts if it proves to be a failure. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Hurts. Hero ball.

That doesn't seem to be his personality at all.  Not one offensive player is happy with the playcalling and game plan.  Hurts included.  It is obvious.

7 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

There is ZERO chance the FO moves on from Hurts. Just the talk of it is dumb. No one truly thinks Howie, Lurie will make a trade to move on from him after 1 avg year.

I don’t disagree, no way you move on from Hurts at this point. I’ve said it before, you get the right Offensive mind either at HC or OC and they could make the current Offensive roster a top 5 producer.

I still believe QBs are way overpaid. 

For the past two years my sons and I have been Row 1 in 118. We thought that maybe we could start a tradition of chirping the opposing team once a year and have a good time. We did the Saints game last year and then Cardinals yesterday. I'll tell you something... they're getting the full Eagles fan experience. I've never seen disappointment on my kids' faces like I've seen after walking out of an Eagles game.

As for this team and the season, everything is broken. The season is over and massive changes have to be made early in the offseason if there's any hope of starting to fix this in 2024.

Offense - Scored 24 points against the worst defense in the NFL. I'll kill the defense in a second here, but the offense is a major problem. We didn't see it as much this game because AZ held the ball for the entire game. Where the ineptitude came out was situationally. I felt the Eagles offense was never in a high gear and the AZ defense was still able to dictate the play in some ways. I attribute that, all of it, to Steichen leaving. Every game I watch I become more convinced that Steichen was in Hurt's ear coaching him up to the 15 second mark on the play clock, telling him what to look for post-snap because he was the offensive genius on the team. Now, we've got BJ who's a complete moron and Hurts doesn't have the ability to adjust post-snap himself. So that leads to these WR screens which are so clearly the "built-in, pre-snap check" blitz beater by offensive scheme. The Eagles are financially committed to Hurts so there's no option but to get an offensive coordinator who can coach Hurts through a series, and ultimately a game.

Defense - It's all wrong. The DL has one guy who can supposedly get pressure and he's being dropped into coverage more than he's rushing the passer. There's a coaching problem across the board with this team and the DL is no exception. Early in the season, I think they were fresh and their talent/effort led to production. Now they're gassed and they have no technique to fall back on. The prime example I see Jordan Davis. He can't shed a block to save his life anymore and there's no excuse for that given the physical tools he brings to the game. There's no need to go into the LB, CB, S positions because we all know there's just no talent by design. This team defense was built around the DL and when they don't work everything will fall apart.

What now? For me the next steps couldn't be any more obvious...

1. Neuter Sirianni from anything other than being a hype man if firing him this offseason isn't an option. Give some up and coming offensive coach around the league a shot and, if he shows that he something to offer, have him replace Sirianni in 2025. We can't keep being held captive by our good coordinators leaving for HC spots. We should have one as our HC who can continue to groom coordinators and assistants. BJ and whoever the QB coach is right now can never be a part of the Eagles organization ever again.

2. Despite what we all think/want, Howie and Lurie are still going to dictate offensive and defensive philosophies based on analytics. Assuming they stick with the DL-centric Fangio defensive philosophy, Brandon Graham can never see another snap with this team. He represents everything that is wrong with executing on the "investing in your OL/DL" philosophy. He's 35 years old and, maybe, makes one lucky play a game and has nothing to offer outside of trash talk. This defense lives and dies by their ability to generate pressure and creating negative plays in the backfield. It covers up all of the other problems in the secondary. If this team doesn't roll out a completely revamped DE/DT situation next year with multiple players who can generate pressure on the QB on any given play then we're going to see a defense that is every bit as bad as this year. For me, this means using a 1st round pick on a DE or trading for one. 

3. At least try and make an effort to find one serviceable LB in coverage so we can have some sort of answer on defending the middle of the field.

4. I'd love to put something in here about Roseman and his ability to find talent in the draft but there's no reality where Lurie actually makes a change there. 

 

That's about it. If you can do #1 and #2 then I believe that at least gets you back to the 2022 Eagles. As for long term success, Sirianni needs to go and I have some concerns about Hurts being so limited in this offense, post-snap, and the core issues behind that. But if you get any competent offensive guy to own this offense then he can sort that out, one way or another.

How many of us besides Jack Stoll heard the entire team yelling for JACK to get on to the field on the last drive?

Jim Harbaugh is a great coach. I know people don’t want him because he’s coming from college but he already had a ton of success at the NFL level. I’m telling you, not firing Sirianni this off-season will be a mistake. They likely won’t do it, but they should. Not just because he sucks, but because there’s some really good coaches available this cycle and there might not be next time. Need to pounce when they’re available and the Eagles would be a desired destination. All Harbaugh does is win.

My thoughts regarding a potential Hurts trade are as follows. First, an elite QB is wasted in the high-school-level scene Sirrianni is running. Now, we can debate whether Hurts is, in fact, an elite QB. My own view is that he is mediocre - not great but not terrible. Nevertheless, he is being paid like an elite QB. Second, with the state of the defense and some elements of the offense, the Eagles are unlikely to win a SB any time soon. (All the stars aligned for them last year and they blew their chance.) The defense needs a massive infusion of talent (7 new starters?). Given the resources tied up in the QB, reform of the defense will have to come primarily from the draft. Some elements of the offense are getting long in the tooth. They will also need replacing. Of course, a decision to trade Hurts would depend on the return. Hence my original question.

If you were offered a Hershel Walker type deal, would you pull the trigger?

23 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

If team is looking for a QB they are going to have to be completely sold that he is the one to not only give up draft capital but also take on the contract.

QB contracts continue to hamstring teams that need to fill other positions of need with more competitive talent. If the QB ability can’t overcome the lesser talent gap at other positions is it really worth it to pay 50 - 60 mil a year? TB is probably the only one that has ever been worth that much of the total team salary cap imo.

Too many better than average QBs get paid ridiculous contracts, and it hurts the rest of the roster.

That's the going rate for QBs that have success. That's not going to change anytime soon.

11 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

That doesn't seem to be his personality at all.  Not one offensive player is happy with the playcalling and game plan.  Hurts included.  It is obvious.

You could see the frustration by AJ after that screen, and he wasn’t even aware yet that Smith was hurt…the body language to me, an outsider, is very clear, locker room problems are hurting this team. The players do not appear to trust their coaches.

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

My thoughts regarding a potential Hurts trade are as follows. First, an elite QB is wasted in the high-school-level scene Sirrianni is running. Now, we can debate whether Hurts is, in fact, an elite QB. My own view is that he is mediocre - not great but not terrible. Nevertheless, he is being paid like an elite QB. Second, with the state of the defense and some elements of the offense, the Eagles are unlikely to win a SB any time soon. (All the stars aligned for them last year and they blew their chance.) The defense needs a massive infusion of talent (7 new starters?). Given the resources tied up in the QB, reform of the defense will have to come primarily from the draft. Some elements of the offense are getting long in the tooth. They will also need replacing. Of course, a decision to trade Hurts would depend on the return. Hence my original question.

If you were offered a Hershel Walker type deal, would you pull the trigger?

You have to come down to reality. No one is paying a Hershel Walker type deal for Hurts. The "What if's" just are stupid to even think about since there are so many. 

If a real offer is talked about then you can bring it up. Until then its just worthless to even spend time on. Spent too much even talking about how dumb it is already