23 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

What sort of draft capital would Jalen Hurts fetch in a trade?

Yes, I'm serious. 

Fair question.  Howie was clever with Hurts’ contract.  A lot of money is back-end loaded in option bonuses but most of the cap hit is up front.  The way the contract works, Hurts should get 2 more years with a new experienced coordinator to improve.  Am fine with that because at times he has been great and fun to watch.  After that, though, the big dead cap numbers roll off and the contract is more tradeable.  Without improvement, he probably won’t be here after that.

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

You have to come down to reality. No one is paying a Hershel Walker type deal for Hurts. The "What if's" just are stupid to even think about since there are so many. 

If a real offer is talked about then you can bring it up. Until then its just worthless to even spend time on. Spent too much even talking about how dumb it is already

News flash - "what ifs" are what we do here.

3 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

My thoughts regarding a potential Hurts trade are as follows. First, an elite QB is wasted in the high-school-level scene Sirrianni is running. Now, we can debate whether Hurts is, in fact, an elite QB. My own view is that he is mediocre - not great but not terrible. Nevertheless, he is being paid like an elite QB. Second, with the state of the defense and some elements of the offense, the Eagles are unlikely to win a SB any time soon. (All the stars aligned for them last year and they blew their chance.) The defense needs a massive infusion of talent (7 new starters?). Given the resources tied up in the QB, reform of the defense will have to come primarily from the draft. Some elements of the offense are getting long in the tooth. They will also need replacing. Of course, a decision to trade Hurts would depend on the return. Hence my original question.

If you were offered a Hershel Walker type deal, would you pull the trigger?

If there's a Hershel Walker deal, 100%. Hurts brings a lot to the table but with the weapons this offense has, I don't think we need a $250 million QB. We need a QB who can spread the ball around, move in the pocket and just get the ball to his playmakers. 

Not having Hurts on the team also takes out the called QB runs which let's face it, haven't been all that great this year. If those plays are shelved, it puts the ball in your playmakers hands. 

I just rewatched that 3rd and 20 play when Devonta got injured.  If the offenses’ answer to the blitz is 2 QB draws and a WR screen, then we just need to throw out the offensive playbook and start over.

  You have 3 elite targets that can run quick slants or quick outs (that are blitz killers) but you run 2 QB draws and a screen making your elite 170 lb receiver block for your 2nd string RB on 3rd and 20??? 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I just rewatched that 3rd and 20 play when Devonta got injured.  If the offenses’ answer to the blitz is 2 QB draws and a WR screen, they need to fire everyone on that offensive coaching staff.   You literally have 3 elite targets that can run quick slants or quick outs (that are blitz killers) but you run 2 QB draws and a WR screen??? Insane!!!!!  

Watch AJs body language in the huddle during those calls and after. That man is like WTF. 

Just now, judunno said:

Watch AJs body language in the huddle during those calls and after. That man is like WTF. 

Exactly.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I just rewatched that 3rd and 20 play when Devonta got injured.  If the offenses’ answer to the blitz is 2 QB draws and a WR screen, they need to fire everyone on that offensive coaching staff.   You literally have 3 elite targets that can run quick slants or quick outs (that are blitz killers) but you run 2 QB draws and a WR screen??? Insane!!!!!  

We all agree.  Hard to believe at the pro level.  Heads are going to roll for that one.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I just rewatched that 3rd and 20 play when Devonta got injured.  If the offenses’ answer to the blitz is 2 QB draws and a WR screen, they need to fire everyone on that offensive coaching staff.   You literally have 3 elite targets that can run quick slants or quick outs (that are blitz killers) but you run 2 QB draws and a WR screen??? Insane!!!!!  

Not even a WR screen. A screen to Kenny Gainwell with your $100 million, 1500 yard WR AND Heisman Trophy winning, 1100 yard WR blocking for him. Throw it to the RB who averages 6 yards a catch and have your two best playmakers block for him. 3rd and 20, throw it to the guy who's long for the year wouldn't even get a 1st down and let your 160 lb WR block for him.

Just now, Desertbirds said:

News flash - "what ifs" are what we do here.

News flash- "what if's" are what we do here is REALISTIC situations. What you are talking about is not. 

Big difference in a what if on a play call or a different draft pick or so on. Your talking about trading a QB we just resigned to a mega deal with an avg season for a so called Mega deal that does not happen anymore. Big difference. 

Honestly done with the topic cause its so stupid even thinking about it

3 minutes ago, judunno said:

That's the going rate for QBs that have success. That's not going to change anytime soon.

Yeh it’s a problem though. If it’s me I go and build a bad ass roster and find me a Joe Flacco kind of guy to manage the game and play great defense, grind the clock, control the game.

If I have good enough coaches I would go get a rookie or young capable guy with the right "tools” who was cast off from another team.

I don’t want to be held hostage with a potential injury or "bad year” with 20 - 25% of my salary cap.

You could get three, possibly four top tier contributors for one QB salary.

Too many QBs have gone down this year and most every team is an injury away from mediocrity or worse. Build the roster to be able to overcome this.

29 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The good news is while this season has gone down the ****, there’s a lot of reason for optimism next season. They win 11 games with coaching this bad and flaws this apparent. If Howie can have one of this GOAT Howie offseasons, which he’s shown he can do before, this team will be fine.

But the coaching staff needs a major major overhaul for me to be confident in that, and if the season ends like we think it will, I think an overhaul is likely.

It should probably be kept in mind that the last two Super Bowl seasons, both of which came during Howie’s "GOAT offseasons”, he had the luxury of a QB on a rookie contract having MVP type seasons. Trying to have a monster offseason with a QB on the dreaded "second contract”, is territory Howie hasn’t conquered yet. 

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Jim Harbaugh is a great coach. I know people don’t want him because he’s coming from college but he already had a ton of success at the NFL level. I’m telling you, not firing Sirianni this off-season will be a mistake. They likely won’t do it, but they should. Not just because he sucks, but because there’s some really good coaches available this cycle and there might not be next time. Need to pounce when they’re available and the Eagles would be a desired destination. All Harbaugh does is win.

Harbaugh is the only proven HC that I can think of off the top of my head.  Everywhere he's gone he's won.

As far as there being really good coaches this cycle who knows.  Are we talking Dan Quinn?  Ben Johnson or Mike McDonald?   How do we know any of these guys will turn out better than Sirianni and again I think too many are overreacting and want Sirianni fired because it's been a down year and there have been struggles.  Changes need to be made yes but I don't think HC needs change right now.

But Harbaugh is the only guy that if you hire him as HC there is a very good chance your team will be a contender.  No guarantees tho.

33 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

There is ZERO chance the FO moves on from Hurts. Just the talk of it is dumb. No one truly thinks Howie, Lurie will make a trade to move on from him after 1 avg year.

And truthfully, even if finances could be removed from the equation, I don’t think they should anyway. Hurts has stepped back from ‘22, but I think he can still play well under a better offensive mind. Hurts has been frustrating in moments, but not quite "ready to start over with a new unknown” frustrating. 

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Harbaugh is the only proven HC that I can think of off the top of my head.  Everywhere he's gone he's won.

As far as there being really good coaches this cycle who knows.  Are we talking Dan Quinn?  Ben Johnson or Mike McDonald?   How do we know any of these guys will turn out better than Sirianni and again I think too many are overreacting and want Sirianni fired because it's been a down year and there have been struggles.  Changes need to be made yes but I don't think HC needs change right now.

But Harbaugh is the only guy that if you hire him as HC there is a very good chance your team will be a contender.  No guarantees tho.

Love Harbaugh but he is not the type of Guy Lurie and Howie will put in the building. They want a person they can have control over which Jim in no way is that type of guy

There is just no way in hell they are going to fire Sirianni

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

Love Harbaugh but he is not the type of Guy Lurie and Howie will put in the building. They want a person they can have control over which Jim in no way is that type of guy

If they were serious about dropping Sirianni and Harbaugh had interest they'd be stupid not to entertain it.  

 

6 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Harbaugh is the only proven HC that I can think of off the top of my head.  Everywhere he's gone he's won.

As far as there being really good coaches this cycle who knows.  Are we talking Dan Quinn?  Ben Johnson or Mike McDonald?   How do we know any of these guys will turn out better than Sirianni and again I think too many are overreacting and want Sirianni fired because it's been a down year and there have been struggles.  Changes need to be made yes but I don't think HC needs change right now.

But Harbaugh is the only guy that if you hire him as HC there is a very good chance your team will be a contender.  No guarantees tho.

I want Sirianni fired not because of the win/loss results but because of what we see on the field. He looks totally incompetent. I don’t think he’s a good offensive mind. If we had 8 wins with a coach I thought was amazing at dialing up schemes and game plans and calling plays, I wouldn’t want that coach fired.

People said the same thing in 2015 with Chip, people forget that looking back on it. "You want to fire a coach who had back to back 10 win seasons???” But everyone watching knew this thing was headed in a bad direction. We saw the ineptitude in the field. I’m telling you this Sirianni situation is going to derail really fast if he stays next season. The players a already have lost total confidence in him, this is going to snowball quickly and bleed into next year.

13 minutes ago, Miami said:

Fair question.  Howie was clever with Hurts’ contract.  A lot of money is back-end loaded in option bonuses but most of the cap hit is up front.  The way the contract works, Hurts should get 2 more years with a new experienced coordinator to improve.  Am fine with that because at times he has been great and fun to watch.  After that, though, the big dead cap numbers roll off and the contract is more tradeable.  Without improvement, he probably won’t be here after that.

Most of the cap hit is not up front. Howie never structures contracts that way. It’s pushed back with the option bonuses and void years. 

9 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

Yeh it’s a problem though. If it’s me I go and build a bad ass roster and find me a Joe Flacco kind of guy to manage the game and play great defense, grind the clock, control the game.

If I have good enough coaches I would go get a rookie or young capable guy with the right "tools” who was cast off from another team.

I don’t want to be held hostage with a potential injury or "bad year” with 20 - 25% of my salary cap.

You could get three, possibly four top tier contributors for one QB salary.

Too many QBs have gone down this year and most every team is an injury away from mediocrity or worse. Build the roster to be able to overcome this.

Yeah that's not realistic 

 

7 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

If they were serious about dropping Sirianni and Harbaugh had interest they'd be stupid not to entertain it.  

 

I agree but their track record doesnt show they would. 

Only historic moves they made that might contradict is they made an offer to Coughlin before they hired Doug and Tom turned them down. Hes the only vet coach they offered to who would have wanted control and they were willing to give it. 

Then there was Chip who we saw back fired

2 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

There is just no way in hell they are going to fire Sirianni

I don't see it.  The Eagles would look very suspect around the league if that happened.   A HC with 3 straight winning seasons, 3 straight playoff appearances, just in the SB last year, and now he's fired after 1 bad season (winning 11 games btw) where he lost both coordinators, multiple defensive starters and one of the tougher schedules.  HC candidates would be hesitant looking to coach here especially after the situation with Doug as well. 

If they did who is replacing him?

12 hours ago, eagle45 said:

We need to tone it down on best in the NFL for a decade for Jalen Carter.  We’re not there yet.  And almost no one is anything for a decade in the NFL anymore.

He seems to have that level of potential... BUT, potential doesn't mean anything in the end.   This team doesn't need potential from him.  They need production from him.  He hit the league like gangbusters with some flash plays.   BUT, he's really tailed off recently, really since around the bye.

 

Pre-bye week (8 weeks).  2 FF, 5 TFL, 7 QB hits and 4 sacks.

Post-bye week (8 weeks).  0 FF, 3 TFL, 2 QB hits and 2 sacks.

Maybe its the rookie wall... maybe its offenses learning how to approach him, maybe its a lot of things.  But, we need it fixed.  Next season we need to see him maintain that first half production throughout the entire season.

 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Preparing myself to be angry when Sirianni doesn't bench his starters on Sunday. It's the most logical decision, but he'll try to "compete".

Imagine how much he’d be skewered if he benched his starters and Dallas gets upset. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

It's because Hurts is cheeks. They don't trust him.

That and they're clueless.