2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

It's because Hurts is cheeks. They don't trust him.

That and they're clueless.

Either they don't trust him or don't know how to coach him. I tend to lean towards the latter seeing what Steichen was able to do last year.

6 minutes ago, judunno said:

Yeah that's not realistic 

Baltimore won a SB with a game manager @ QB and a great defense.

The Browns are 11-5 without an elite salary QB.

SF seems to be making it work.

It can most definitely be done with the right coaching, scouting, and early career player development.

 

11 hours ago, eagle45 said:

JMO…this offseason, I’d like to spend their FA $$$ on CB and LB for immediate juice there.  

Draft picks I’d spend on RT, RDE, CB, and WR depth.

 

LB: 

CB: 

S: 

 

Hoping for Bradham / Emmons level LB signing.  One option they could consider is a guy like Shawn Barber back in the day, coming off injury with a 1 year prove-it deal.  Not sure who is available that meets either criteria though.

CB:  they can't spend more money on CB.  They need to get cheaper options.  Bradberry needs to go.  Slay can return, but he's not a captain, and never should have been voted as one.  Just because a guy is a veteran, doesn't mean he's leadership material.  Way too much 'me' stuff from him.  They need to find a young guy... but can't force a draft pick.  Delicate balance.

S:  Need a legit vet, but not a salary cap buster guy either.   Maybe they can swing another trade for a guy like CJGJ was.  Howie has some magic to him with that stuff from time to time... but only PRE-season, not MID-season.

11 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Maybe a trade can be found? Remember no one ever thought Howie could trade Kiko Alonso. 

Traded Alonzo AND Maxwell.  That was a real Jedi mind trick move.

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Most of the cap hit is not up front. Howie never structures contracts that way. It’s pushed back with the option bonuses and void years. 

Sorry.  Meant dead cap hit.

Just now, Joe Ball said:

Baltimore won a SB with a game manager @ QB and a great defense.

The Browns are 11-5 without an elite salary QB.

SF seems to be making it work.

It can most definitely be done with the right coaching, scouting, and early career player development.

 

How far are you going back for the Baltimore example? San Fran is in the same boat that the Eagles were in with Hurts, they will soon have to pay Purdy. Cleveland has that super expensive QB on their roster already he's just not playing. Not sure how they benefited based in your hypothesis. Regardless they won't sniff a Superbowl.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Traded Alonzo AND Maxwell.  That was a real Jedi mind trick move.

You have to admit, it was key in trade for Wentz which without we would have never won the SB in 2017

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I want Sirianni fired not because of the win/loss results but because of what we see on the field. He looks totally incompetent. I don’t think he’s a good offensive mind. If we had 8 wins with a coach I thought was amazing at dialing up schemes and game plans and calling plays, I wouldn’t want that coach fired.

People said the same thing in 2015 with Chip, people forget that looking back on it. "You want to fire a coach who had back to back 10 win seasons???” But everyone watching knew this thing was headed in a bad direction. We saw the ineptitude in the field. I’m telling you this Sirianni situation is going to derail really fast if he stays next season. The players a already have lost total confidence in him, this is going to snowball quickly and bleed into next year.

The Chip situation was totally different.  He was the GM and made some crazy stupid moves as well that backfired that contributed to his firing.  Chip also had a losing record his last year.  If Sirianni was 5-11 right now then OK we have somewhat of an argument. 

As far as looking incompetent, was that the case last year?   So last year it was all Steichen.  He gets all the credit.  But this year it's all Sirianni when things go bad?  He's obviously not calling plays but gets blamed for it.  

I'm not saying Sirianni shouldn't get some blame because he absolutely should but i think at this point its a little overboard and a little emotional overreaction.

We aren't the Panthers and we aren't the Raiders.  We're not changing coaches after 1 down year which they won 11 games btw.

 

32 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Not even a WR screen. A screen to Kenny Gainwell with your $100 million, 1500 yard WR AND Heisman Trophy winning, 1100 yard WR blocking for him. Throw it to the RB who averages 6 yards a catch and have your two best playmakers block for him. 3rd and 20, throw it to the guy who's long for the year wouldn't even get a 1st down and let your 160 lb WR block for him.

The fact that swift has 3 catches in last 4 weeks and gainwell has 8 in last 4 weeks is absurd. Swift is a superior pass catcher to gainwell and it’s what he does best. Somehow Johnson and sirianni have managed to take swift out of the passing game when it’s likely his best quality. 

34 minutes ago, Miami said:

Fair question.  Howie was clever with Hurts’ contract.  A lot of money is back-end loaded in option bonuses but most of the cap hit is up front.  The way the contract works, Hurts should get 2 more years with a new experienced coordinator to improve.  Am fine with that because at times he has been great and fun to watch.  After that, though, the big dead cap numbers roll off and the contract is more tradeable.  Without improvement, he probably won’t be here after that.

Yep.  They need to bring in a "QB whisperer” type either as OC or QB coach.  (Experienced coach - not some gimmick college offense coach or some 2nd year QB coach.
 

 Someone that has been around the league for a while, understands winning QB mindsets and  that is capable of creating an offense around Hurts, giving him and the entire offense opportunities to excel. 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I’m not defending the coaches; they are doing a bad job.  But I’ll just say that it’s really convenient to dump all of this on them.  They are replaceable.  So that may be the narrative that gets pushed and the entity that takes the fall.  But it’s more than coaching.

It absolutely is more than coaching.  But, offensively, the talent is there.  The coaches need to do a better job making the most of the talent.

Defensively... it is both.  Dearth of talent and pathetic schemes.

8 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

The Chip situation was totally different.  He was the GM and made some crazy stupid moves as well that backfired that contributed to his firing.  Chip also had a losing record his last year.  If Sirianni was 5-11 right now then OK we have somewhat of an argument. 

As far as looking incompetent, was that the case last year?   So last year it was all Steichen.  He gets all the credit.  But this year it's all Sirianni when things go bad?  He's obviously not calling plays but gets blamed for it.  

I'm not saying Sirianni shouldn't get some blame because he absolutely should but i think at this point its a little overboard and a little emotional overreaction.

We aren't the Panthers and we aren't the Raiders.  We're not changing coaches after 1 down year which they won 11 games btw.

 

I think history will show that if we don't fire him, it is a mistake when we look back on it. There are two aspects of it. There's the "does he deserve it?" and "Was it the smart decision?" if it happens. Those are two separate things entirely. Does he deserve it? Probably not. Although I'd argue there's no deserve in sports, there's just cause and effect. But based on merit and success equity and all that, he probably doesn't deserve it.

But I've seen this story before. I know the look of a coach who's completely out of answers and has nothing left in the chamber. I think we're seeing it now with Sirianni. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but that's the feel I get. I don't always feel that. Didn't feel it with Doug, although I was fine with them firing him, but I was ok with him staying if he allowed changes to his staff. I didn't feel that way with Reid. I thought it was probably time to move on, but I always had faith in Andy having some counter ideas. But with Chip I thought the guy was a mush who had absolutely nothing left, and I'm getting those same vibes with Sirianni right now.

And if they have to bring in an OC who fixes his offense for him, then what's the purpose of even keeping him. What would his role even be?

1 hour ago, Desertbirds said:

It's a sad state of affairs when the fanbase (and maybe the players) of a playoff-bound team are already thinking about next year. But here we are.

Pyrite season.

26 minutes ago, judunno said:

How far are you going back for the Baltimore example? San Fran is in the same boat that the Eagles were in with Hurts, they will soon have to pay Purdy. Cleveland has that super expensive QB on their roster already he's just not playing. Not sure how they benefited based in your hypothesis. Regardless they won't sniff a Superbowl.

SF is a great example. Purdy is not an elite level QB ala Tom Brady. When it’s time to sign him, he either takes what works for the team and is fair or trade him and get some draft capital. Then go find someone else who can distribute the ball and is coachable that can be easily developed. Kyle Shanahan could do this easily iMO.

I may be wrong and I’ll admit that. The league just cannot keep increasing QB pay to reset the market every time a winning QB is up for a new contract. It’s getting absurd and if I were an owner I’m trying to find a way to break the trend.

At worst you have a highly competitive team if you’ve taken that money/draft compensation and invested it in the right players elsewhere on the roster.

Edit: BTW, Cleveland fits what I’m trying to say…you don’t have to pay 50 - 60 mil to a qb to win games. Joe Flacco is getting 1.1mil. They can compete and outside of Baltimore being hot right now there is always a chance they could win it all.

Another thing the loss yesterday did was gift Washington Maye or Caleb Williams. They pick #2 now.

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Yep.  They need to bring in a "QB whisperer” type either as OC or QB coach.  (Experienced coach - not some gimmick college offense coach or some 2nd year QB coach.
 

 Someone that has been around the league for a while, understands winning QB mindsets and  that is capable of creating an offense around Hurts, giving him and the entire offense opportunities to excel. 

QB whisperers get HC jobs.

2 hours ago, RLC said:

It's the coaching.

 

The GM and the management cronies dictate this scheme and hired these coaches to run it. I think they are getting an unfair pass. 

51 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

You have to come down to reality. No one is paying a Hershel Walker type deal for Hurts. The "What if's" just are stupid to even think about since there are so many. 

If a real offer is talked about then you can bring it up. Until then its just worthless to even spend time on. Spent too much even talking about how dumb it is already

You can scroll past.  No need to engage if it is not worth your time.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Hoping for Bradham / Emmons level LB signing.  One option they could consider is a guy like Shawn Barber back in the day, coming off injury with a 1 year prove-it deal.  Not sure who is available that meets either criteria though.

CB:  they can't spend more money on CB.  They need to get cheaper options.  Bradberry needs to go.  Slay can return, but he's not a captain, and never should have been voted as one.  Just because a guy is a veteran, doesn't mean he's leadership material.  Way too much 'me' stuff from him.  They need to find a young guy... but can't force a draft pick.  Delicate balance.

S:  Need a legit vet, but not a salary cap buster guy either.   Maybe they can swing another trade for a guy like CJGJ was.  Howie has some magic to him with that stuff from time to time... but only PRE-season, not MID-season.

I'm all over the place with thoughts. Gut reaction is to clean house with the coaching staff, gut the defense and go from there.

However, if we look at the current state of the roster, contracts and ages, 2024 is lining up for a one final push kind of year.

AJ Brown and Dallas Goedert's contracts both take significant jumps after 2024

It's the last year of contracts for Landon Dickerson, Milton Williams, Avonte Maddox, Hasson Reddick.

They can opt out of Josh Sweats contract. Darius Slay's contract is no longer guaranteed.

DeVonta Smith's initial 4-year deal ends (team option will get picked up)

 

It just looks like the core of this team is here next year. I honestly don't see Kelce retiring, especially if yesterday could have been his last home game. They could even bring Cox back at a limited role. They go all in. Sign some guys to 1-year deals, make a big trade splash and say Nick, you have 2024. If you don't win, you're gone. Then with the expiring contracts and such, you start over.

Hurts has had bad games obviously this year but he has zero to do with yesterdays fail, you have an agenda or are just a flat out fing moron to put that one on him.

4 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

The Chip situation was totally different.  He was the GM and made some crazy stupid moves as well that backfired that contributed to his firing.  Chip also had a losing record his last year.  If Sirianni was 5-11 right now then OK we have somewhat of an argument. 

As far as looking incompetent, was that the case last year?   So last year it was all Steichen.  He gets all the credit.  But this year it's all Sirianni when things go bad?  He's obviously not calling plays but gets blamed for it.  

I'm not saying Sirianni shouldn't get some blame because he absolutely should but i think at this point its a little overboard and a little emotional overreaction.

We aren't the Panthers and we aren't the Raiders.  We're not changing coaches after 1 down year which they won 11 games btw.

 

Yup. Said the same thing last night. I think there’s multiple issues going on. First some poor coaching from sirianni, Johnson and the DCs. Every week it’s the same sloppy playcalling and at times play calling that makes absolutely no sense.

Second the lack of playmakers on the back 7. A lot of guys with name value but not playing up to their name value. Everyone wants to say they aren’t this bad and it’s because in the past they guys played better and better positioned. They also were younger and better players. Byard wasn’t good with vrabel and the titans this year. It’s been the same here. two different organizations this year have saw his decline and drop off. Bradberry has done this throughout his career. He’s up and down. one year good and then next year regresses. What he did in Carolina and Ny  

Third, the DLine is overrated and playing too many snaps. A guy like sweat hasnt played well in like 2 months. And it’s not just poor play, he doesn’t do the little things necessary to win. For instance not keeping containment or just crashing in and getting burned to where he is supposed to be. The defensive line also has a depth issue and looks to be gassed. They played a ridiculous number of snaps in that Buffalo game and haven’t looked remotely good since against some bad olines. Which leads to part four.

Fourth, i think this team looks out of gas. For once i agree with ESP. They look like losing the Super Bowl and dealing with that loss then going through the schedule they did has zapped whatever energy and mojo they had left. Imo i think the back to back games of high energy and emotions of kc and Buffalo left little in the reserve. Besides lack of talent at linebacker and poor declining secondary, i think it’s part of the reason why this team plays sloppy for long stretches of games and the defense just gets pushed around in the run game. I don’t think they have anything left in the tank. 

Just to revisit a conversation from last week:

Is there anyone that still wants Patricia here next year? 

47 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

News flash- "what if's" are what we do here is REALISTIC situations. What you are talking about is not. 

Big difference in a what if on a play call or a different draft pick or so on. Your talking about trading a QB we just resigned to a mega deal with an avg season for a so called Mega deal that does not happen anymore. Big difference. 

Honestly done with the topic cause its so stupid even thinking about it

 

March 18, 2022: Browns agree to terms on Watson trade with Texans. Cleveland traded its 2022, 2023 and 2024 first-round picks, 2023 third-round pick and fourth-round picks in 2022 and 2024 for Watson and a Houston 2024 sixth-round pick.

 

The Russell Wilson trade is finally in the books. Denver traded three players and four draft picks across the 2022 and 2023 drafts and also swapped a 2022 draft pick in March 2022 in order to acquire the eight-time Pro Bowler.

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The fact that swift has 3 catches in last 4 weeks and gainwell has 8 in last 4 weeks is absurd. Swift is a superior pass catcher to gainwell and it’s what he does best. Somehow Johnson and sirianni have managed to take swift out of the passing game when it’s likely his best quality. 

My nightmare start to the offseason. Brian Johnson is back as OC as Nick thinks he did some good things and wants Hurts to have some continuity with his OC for 2 years straight. The Eagles extend Gainwell and left Swift walk.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Just to revisit a conversation from last week:

Is there anyone that still wants Patricia here next year? 

Don't think anyone wanted him this year back when he was hired.