1 hour ago, Desertbirds said:

What sort of draft capital would Jalen Hurts fetch in a trade?

Yes, I'm serious. 

I’m guessing something better than what cleveland gave up for watson. Hurts is 25 and played this past year. He wasn’t as great as he was in 2022 but he was still a top 10 Qb. Whereas watson sat out due to legal issues and not wanting to play in houston. I’m guessing probably would get 3 firsts (from a team with two this year and give up one in 2025), probably a 2nd (in 2026) and some mid round pick. 

26 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

At this point I’d be ok with a former head coach that didn’t quite make it as a head coach but was a successful coordinator at some point. 

Frank?

Think this is more likely Daboll or another team's GM than Sirianni, but interesting nonetheless.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Think this is more likely Daboll or another team's GM than Sirianni, but interesting nonetheless.

She is a clickbait clown and knows nothing

I think Isaiah Rodgers is a player and should compete for a CB spot next year. 

Does anyone really want an offensive head coach who needs someone else's brains and play calling to succeed offensively?

If the Eagles feel Sirianni can't succeed without someone carrying his offense(and I'm not saying they do feel that) but if they do, he has to go. We can't get into the whole "Sirianni has success, loses his coordinator, falls, gets new coordinator has success again, loses them fails" cycle again. I just want a guy who himself is the brains behind the operation. And doesn't completely turn to ass when they lose their assistants.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m guessing something better than what cleveland gave up for watson. Hurts is 25 and played this past year. He wasn’t as great as he was in 2022 but he was still a top 10 Qb. Whereas watson sat out due to legal issues and not wanting to play in houston. I’m guessing probably would get 3 firsts (from a team with two this year and give up one in 2025), probably a 2nd (in 2026) and some mid round pick. 

3 firsts? He's #9 QBR and #17 RTG...#11 in yards, but he also ranks #3 in QB turnovers this year. Hurts does not need to be traded, he needs to be coached and developed a little bit and put in a position to succeed with an offense that is not so limiting. IF, a big IF, he is the one limiting the offense because of an inability to read pre-snap or in play progression, then that even further prevents him from garnering a trade that includes 3 #1 picks. I do not believe he is the issue here one bit.

Eagles are 5.5-6.5 point favorites against Giants next week.  That means Vegas thinks they are playing starters.

Another thing to factor in. What if Jalen Hurts has lost faith in Sirianni? They have way more invested in Hurts than Sirianni. If Howie speaks to Hurts privately and Hurts tells him in confidence he thinks the coach is clueless, what would they do in that scenario? Could they really go into 2024 with a guy your most important player thinks sucks if hypothetically that was the case?

Or if team leaders like Kelce and Lane are telling Howie behind the scenes the coach has no answers and has lost the players.

18 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I'd take either trade for Hurts and rebuild. They need too much and even with tons of talent he wasn't enough of a difference maker to justify 50 million. That's 4-5 other pieces. 

 

They aren't trading Hurts.  Go play in some traffic.  

12 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Frank?

Would be one option.  But at this point I’d think I’d prefer someone from a different offensive system - a fresh set of eyes sort of deal. 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Eagles are 5.5-6.5 point favorites against Giants next week.  That means Vegas thinks they are playing starters.

Why wouldn’t they be? 

Rest, I know. But they are still potentially playing for the #2 seed. If Nick wants to get fired and really lose the locker room, packing it up the last game intentionally would be the way to do it. 

2 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

I asked this yesterday but doesn't Hurts have the authority to audible and change plays at the LOS? 

He's getting 250+ million and considered a top 5-10 QB.  He should be changing things at the line if need be.

It's become clear Hurts cannot read defenses well. That's probably his worst trait. An offensive playcaller has to realize this and help his ultra athletic quarterback. 

Facts:

1.  Hurts played like an MVP last year, including the SB.  
2. He’s 25
3.  They have $250m invested him.
4.  He has been a turnover machine in 2023.
5.  He has regressed and hasn’t been very good in 2023.
6.  His passing yards per game is low relative to other quality starting QBs.

Debates:

1. How much of 2023’s regression is Hurts versus coaching?

 

Now I’m going to say the same quote for Hurts that I said for Wentz, which is alarming.  You do everything you can to support him and get him back to last year’s level.  He has to be your guy.

 

But what happens if 2024 is a carbon copy of 2023 for the passing offense?  Then how are you looking at Hurts?

There will be an entirely new coaching staff before they trade Hurts or anyone else on this offense, imo. 

19 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Frank?

I agree a change needs to happen to either the offensive philosophy or play calling. Perhaps both. But also keep in mind the off the field relationship Brian Johnson has with Jalen and his family. This is and will become a sticky situation if things don't improve.

They need to can Johnson and bring someone from an entirely different system/coaching tree and give that person the authority to challenge the moronic schemes they've dreamt up this season.  Anything less is just another miserable failure waiting to happen.

On defense, either give Patricia a season to implement his own system or can everyone and start over.  It's as simple as that.

 

The only possible redemption for this garbage heap of a season would be a miraculous trip to the NFCCG by beating Dallas in Dallas.  They're going to destroy Washington so the Eagles should play only healthy/you g guys and let everyone else rest. Shake things up scheme-wise, who gives a ish.  It couldn't possibly get any worse on defense even if they legitimately tried.

 Time to be realistic and actually do what's best for the team rather than string along this nonsense.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

There will be an entirely new coaching staff before they trade Hurts or anyone else on this offense, imo. 

Gotta protect Jack Stoll at all costs 

31 minutes ago, RLC said:

Easily 2 1sts at the end of this season. Too many teams without top 10 picks that need QBs. Atlanta, Denver, Las Vegas, etc.

You are probably right. I was hoping for more.

Just now, CheesesteakNBeer said:

I agree a change needs to happen to either the offensive philosophy or play calling. Perhaps both. But also keep in mind the off the field relationship Brian Johnson has with Jalen and his family. This is and will become a sticky situation if things don't improve.

Personal relationships haven't meant jack ish.  If Hurts doesn't like it, he's a moron and part of the problem.  No more coddling, he's a big boy

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Personal relationships haven't meant jack ish.  If Hurts doesn't like it, he's a moron and part of the problem.  No more coddling, he's a big boy

You know rightfully so these athletes are coddled. I can already hear it now..Philadelphia let Brian Johnson go and turns out he isn't the problem. They broke up there relationship and Hurts has to start all over in 2025 and learn a new offense blag blah blah.

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Covey can't even be the PR and KR. He's just a PR. That's it.

Totally wrong.

This is a coaching problem.

The coaching problem is that the coaches don't put Covey on offense. Or,  more specifically, they don't spread the snaps out to a variety of players. 

It's like they have a pecking order.

Brown and Smith are at the top.
Watkins is next and he's not good.

So, the coaches go "well if Brown and Smith are good, and Watkins is not good,  well, there you have it.  Brown and Smith never come off the field."

But the answer is "you are ranking Watkins too high.  Give everybody else snaps and targets.  Move Covey up and Watkins down."

 

25 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I think Isaiah Rodgers is a player and should compete for a CB spot next year. 

Hes our #1. He was like the 4th ranked PFF CB of 2022

3 minutes ago, CheesesteakNBeer said:

You know rightfully so these athletes are coddled. I can already hear it now..Philadelphia let Brian Johnson go and turns out he isn't the problem. They broke up there relationship and Hurts has to start all over in 2025 and learn a new offense blag blah blah.

It's not necessarily about finding out who the real problem is. It's about accountability and that is aimed at Sirianni more than anyone.

It's the classic line about not being able to fire the entire team so the coach gets the ax.  Right now they can't fire Sirianni, it would be overly emotional.  They can't get rid of Hurts.  So Johnsons gotta go and that's just the way the cookie crumbles.  Next year it's Sirianni's turn.   The year after that it's Hurts'

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

It's not necessarily about finding out who the real problem is. It's about accountability and that is aimed at Sirianni more than anyone.

It's the classic line about not being able to fire the entire team so the coach gets the ax.  Right now they can't fire Sirianni, it would be overly emotional.  They can't get rid of Hurts.  So Johnsons gotta go and that's just the way the cookie crumbles.  Next year it's Sirianni's turn.   The year after that it's Hurts'

Sounds about right.  Step-by-step and you give everyone a chance to prove themselves.