3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Wait, you don't think Tom Brady is an elite QB

 

You are arguing with a cowboys fan that’s about to see his team pay Dak something like $60 mil per year. He also thinks Kyle shanahan type coaches are easily available. How many of those exist in the league? Reid, shanahan and mcvay. Maybe LaFleur, stefanski and Steichen eventually gets there (done a great job with love, Flacco and minshew). About it.  He should go look at Minnesota with what happens when a good Qb gets hurt and replaced by backup or lower level QBs. Season down the drain. Ask tampa bay how great they are with baker playing with a bunch of great weapons and a good defense. Yeah neither are close to a title. It’s cause QB matters and not any schmuck can put a Brock purdy in and get high level Qb play. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Zooming out, the offense was objectively good.

Yep.  I don't know if I could call the offense spectacular yesterday, especially considering the competition, but objectively good seems like a great label.

The Cardinals, like everyone else, really focused on AJ and Smith.  For the first time all year, they unlocked the deep read and 3rd WR with Julio Jones.  That was actually a small revelation for the offense.  If Hurts can see it and Julio can bring it home, that's huge.  Then maybe the coverage evens out and Smith/Brown explode again.  But the offense wasn't on the field enough to tinker with that new dimension they found.

How the hell did this team beat Dallas, Miami, KC, and the Bills earlier in the season?

This offense is terrible, yet basically has the exact same roster that took them to the Super Bowl just a year ago. Look, the defense sucks but they at least have a major talent issue in the back 7. Where’s the talent issue on offense? 
 

I don’t care if they keep Siri or not, but I’m tired of the FO/Siri not having any experienced coordinators. When Doug won the Super Bowl they had Reich and Schwartz. There just seems to be a severe lack of experience on this coaching staff. Siri himself only had a couple years as a coordinator before being hired by the Birds. Eagles should have had Reich back in the building weeks ago.

Is Sirianni or Howie responsible for the 46? Because that person deserves 10 hours of side eye 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Yep.  I don't know if I could call the offense spectacular yesterday, especially considering the competition, but objectively good seems like a great label.

The Cardinals, like everyone else, really focused on AJ and Smith.  For the first time all year, they unlocked the deep read and 3rd WR with Julio Jones.  That was actually a small revelation for the offense.  If Hurts can see it and Julio can bring it home, that's huge.  Then maybe the coverage evens out and Smith/Brown explode again.  But the offense wasn't on the field enough to tinker with that new dimension they found.

Defense got manhandled. Eagles O wasn't that bad on the few possessions that they did have. That last drive though was conservatively dumb. An aggressive coach would have gone for the jugular not play for a FG.

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Think this is more likely Daboll or another team's GM than Sirianni, but interesting nonetheless.

It’s Washington… and it’s hardly breaking news that there’s changes coming there. I suppose there could be changes in New York as well, but I doubt it.

Just now, wussbasket said:

How the hell did this team beat Dallas, Miami, KC, and the Bills earlier in the season?

This offense is terrible, yet basically has the exact same roster that took them to the Super Bowl just a year ago. Look, the defense sucks but they at least have a major talent issue in the back 7. Where’s the talent issue on offense? 
 

I don’t care if they keep Siri or not, but I’m tired of the FO/Siri not having any experienced coordinators. When Doug won the Super Bowl they had Reich and Schwartz. There just seems to be a severe lack of experience on this coaching staff. Siri himself only had a couple years as a coordinator before being hired by the Birds. Eagles should have had Reich back in the building weeks ago.

Luck evens out.  It was extreme luck beating Dallas, KC, and Buffalo.  They deserved to lose EVERY ONE of those games.  And they have been unlucky losing to NYJ, Seattle, and AZ.  We may be too pissed off to say they deserved to win, but they seriously are the better team and had some tough luck dropping those 3.  

I think Miami just laid an egg in a game with a weird flow.  We see it from our perspective when the Eagles do it.  That's what Miami did.

12 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That record is a bit of a technicality.  Kelce literally jokes with Swift and apologizes that he can't get any rushing TDs.  

 

It's not a technicality.  There's a reason the Eagles can run that play so well while the rest of the league can't and a huge part of that reason is Jalen Hurts.  

2 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

You have to admit, it was key in trade for Wentz which without we would have never won the SB in 2017

100%.

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

Zooming out, the offense was objectively good.

The offense is usually solid/good (exceptions niners, jets and Dallas) except situationally they shoot themselves in the foot or come up with bonehead play calls. For example the Buffalo game, they were driving for a game tying field goal or even potentially game winning touchdown. Then they had a multiple of penalties and made it a million times harder on Elliott’s kick. Cowboys game the offense was able to move the ball the hurts fumbled it away. Or aj fumbles it away. Or devonta fumbled it away. Seahawks game, they are moving the ball and then the eagles decide we need to take a deep shot to quez Fing Watkins that gets picked. Then on top of that just needing 10-15 yards with timeouts we decide to throw a bomb down the sideline into double coverage. Giants game they put themselves into position to give the game away on a 3rd and 20 and hurts managed to make a spectacular throw to save them. Finally yesterday they are driving. 3rd and 5 with a chance to pick up a first and really break the will of the cardinals. We do a bomb that goes incomplete. Then another chance to put the cardinals away. Get a holding penalty. Then play calling goes Qb draw, Qb draw and a screen to your running back who’s not even your best pass catcher.

The eagles offense usually is good or solid for most of the game moving the ball and then they get into the situation where they shoot themselves in the foot or just have idiotic play calls.

3 minutes ago, McMVP said:

It’s Washington… and it’s hardly breaking news that there’s changes coming there. I suppose there could be changes in New York as well, but I doubt it.

What i think too. I think most expect rivera to be out though. She’ll spin it like "a lot of people in that building didn’t want to get rid of rivera so it was unexpected”  

3 minutes ago, judunno said:

Defense got manhandled. Eagles O wasn't that bad on the few possessions that they did have. That last drive though was conservatively dumb. An aggressive coach would have gone for the jugular not play for a FG.

That's the playcalling issue.  They aggressively go for the jugular on a not-so-great look to Devonta earlier when they only needed 5 to move the chains.  Then they clam up with 2 QB runs and a screen late in the game when they know the defense is helpless, yet settle for 3.  I don't think the coaches have great insight in when to be aggressive and when to be conservative.  

13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That record is a bit of a technicality.  Kelce literally jokes with Swift and apologizes that he can't get any rushing TDs.  

I definitely disagree with this take. Swift getting in on short yardage is far from a guarantee especially with the Eagles struggling to run the ball for whatever reason missing assignments and getting holding calls. Hurts getting in on a shove is damn near a guarantee based on the percentages. That's highly due to Hurts and his strength. No technicality there. Plus some of those TDs the WRs came up just short of getting him a passing TD.

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

Would be one option.  But at this point I’d think I’d prefer someone from a different offensive system - a fresh set of eyes sort of deal. 

With our WRs i would love to see a play action based offense, but not sure Hurts is good under center

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

It's not a technicality.  There's a reason the Eagles can run that play so well while the rest of the league can't and a huge part of that reason is Jalen Hurts.  

It's a 1 yard play.  If they didnt run it, they might have 2 fewer TDs on the year, Hurts has a couple extra passing TDs, and the RB's have 10 more rushing TDs.  It's a radically different utilization of the offense inside the 5, but it's not transformative and it is a bit of a technicality in stats.

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

Zooming out, the offense was objectively good.

The defense makes this offense look way worse than it really is. It forces them to be perfect every drive and when they’re not, it puts them under a microscope. Good offenses go three and out and good offenses don’t score every drive. This defense is beyond bad. Calling them bad would be a complement. They’re uncompetitive. It’s like showing up to a gun fight with a nerf gun. The game is already over. 

2 hours ago, Joe Ball said:

SF is a great example. Purdy is not an elite level QB ala Tom Brady. When it’s time to sign him, he either takes what works for the team and is fair or trade him and get some draft capital. Then go find someone else who can distribute the ball and is coachable that can be easily developed. Kyle Shanahan could do this easily iMO.

I may be wrong and I’ll admit that. The league just cannot keep increasing QB pay to reset the market every time a winning QB is up for a new contract. It’s getting absurd and if I were an owner I’m trying to find a way to break the trend.

At worst you have a highly competitive team if you’ve taken that money/draft compensation and invested it in the right players elsewhere on the roster.

Edit: BTW, Cleveland fits what I’m trying to say…you don’t have to pay 50 - 60 mil to a qb to win games. Joe Flacco is getting 1.1mil. They can compete and outside of Baltimore being hot right now there is always a chance they could win it all.

They paid Watson though.  Whoops.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Facts:

1.  Hurts played like an MVP last year, including the SB.  
2. He’s 25
3.  They have $250m invested him.
4.  He has been a turnover machine in 2023.
5.  He has regressed and hasn’t been very good in 2023.
6.  His passing yards per game is low relative to other quality starting QBs.

Debates:

1. How much of 2023’s regression is Hurts versus coaching?

 

Now I’m going to say the same quote for Hurts that I said for Wentz, which is alarming.  You do everything you can to support him and get him back to last year’s level.  He has to be your guy.

 

But what happens if 2024 is a carbon copy of 2023 for the passing offense?  Then how are you looking at Hurts?

Looking for the escape hatch in the contract or a trade

This team lost the season when they curled up into a little ball after stalling out and getting punched in the face by the 9ers. Completely collapsed and quit.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That's the playcalling issue.  They aggressively go for the jugular on a not-so-great look to Devonta earlier when they only needed 5 to move the chains.  Then they clam up with 2 QB runs and a screen late in the game when they know the defense is helpless, yet settle for 3.  I don't think the coaches have great insight in when to be aggressive and when to be conservative.  

I’d add the eagles offense frequently doesn’t use plays to build on and get the defense later in the drive or game. By that i mean they call plays just hoping it works then and now. In hopes to keep the chains moving and they are successful. A lot of the great offenses have plays that they’ll use in hopes the defense recognizes it later in the game and they have an adjustment to the play that gets them a big play or burns the defense. looks like most of time the eagles just randomly using an array of plays and not really building on them when trying to attack the defense. 

32 minutes ago, RLC said:

By EPA, we are now the 6th best offense in the NFL.
By EPA, we are the 30th best defense in the NFL.

The tale of the season.

Based on watching them play, they are overrated on this metric in both categories.  

20 minutes ago, RLC said:

Zooming out, the offense was objectively good.

Cardinals had the ball way too much and owned TOP.  Most games we've lost the last 2 years that's been the recipe.  

Defense couldn't get off the field.  Offense has its issues especially if you want to compare it to last year but Defense has been the bigger issue by far.

7 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

This team lost the season when they curled up into a little ball after stalling out and getting punched in the face by the 9ers. Completely collapsed and quit.

I don’t think they quit. Have a bunch of issues with coaching and personnel (defensively). And imo i think playing 3 consecutive highly emotional and down to the wire games also likely burned whatever gas they had left in the tank by the time they got to SF and Dallas. It’s really hard to come off a SB loss then play games that are right down to the wire every week. Eventually you are gonna burn yourself out and run out of steam. It’s why games like jets, commanders and patriots who are all bad they should’ve curb stomped them. Instead it was down to the wire and at some point you are gonna just be exhausted playing that way every week. Ravens have better coaching and personnel, but they also have far less down to the wire type games. I don’t think they are emotionally and physically spent

eagles had better coaching and personnel in 2022 but besides the commanders and bears games, they rocked a lot of bad teams early in the year. They weren’t many down to the wire finishes and they didn’t look physically and emotionally drained 

The Eagles are giving up 150+ yards per game on the ground over the last several games. Given that our LBs suck and that the DL is supposed to a strength, is it time to try a 5-2 defense?

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Think this is more likely Daboll or another team's GM than Sirianni, but interesting nonetheless.

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