8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It's not that dire at all.  But is it SB material?

I also think Dean is as projectable to LB2 as Ringo and Brown are to CB2 and S.  I say that as a "don't give up yet" on Dean but also a concern that it's very premature to pencil in Ringo and Brown as starters.  A Slay/Ringo duo could be very, very painful next year.

I wouldn't write Blankenship out of the lineup just yet.  If he's surrounded by competent cover guys, he could theoretically be used a bit like Malcom Jenkins closer to the LOS and sheltered from more challenging coverage assignments.

Not so sure about Ringo or Brown. They have a lot of work to do.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They have a clear lack of talent and coaching issue. However re-watching these games they are getting pushed around by inferior players and opponents. Either it’s a lack of effort or they seemed to be gassed. If you go watch from Miami game even through Buffalo that wasn’t the case. They played hard and were very physical. They were still the most physical team and ones pushing opponents around. Dallas it showed up at the end of the game. Either they’ve given up (maybe) or at some point in playing 10 out of 11 games down to the wire then having a ridiculous 92 snap game they’ve might have run out of steam to go with their lackluster personnel. 

I guess I could agree that it’s a combo of all things that you’ve mentioned. Talent, coaching, being emotionally & physically drained and lastly effort. Maybe effort is due to the coaching like it has been for the offense?! 
I thought the game against the Cardinals would be close, but I would have never thought that our defense would look like a JV high school D compared to the opponent. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

In honor of this it must also be really good to be Milton Williams who celebrated a tackle! instead of trying to pick up a loose ball. I completely forgot about that until now. 

I thought Williams was gonna make a big time jump from end of last season. He looked phenomenal at the end of last year. Like he had a lightbulb go off. times where he looked like he was one of their best DLineman. This year he’s looked closer to early 2022 and his rookie year. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s why when you look at the Eagles office the numbers look pretty good. Their biggest issue is that situationally. They shoot themselves in the foot. It’s either a turnover, a bad play call or a penalty. It’s almost always one of those things that comes back and shoots them in the foot when things are going well. They can’t consistently stay out of their own way. They create their own problems on offense. And that goes to playcalling, turnovers, and penalties. The personnel on the offensifr side isn’t the problem.

The bigger issue to me is I look at the defense  I think they’ve a personnel problem, have a coaching problem and they draft and develop guys very well on that side. Since 2016 Carter, sweat, maddox and mills are the best guys they drafted and developed. So you got a multitude of issues and i think besides those issues while re-watching the game, they look exhausted and with not much fight left 

A don’t bend but break offense 

2 minutes ago, judunno said:

I think they are worn. The rotation is Fd up and they have played an ish load of snaps since the Bills game. A result of being one of if not the worst on 3rd down. Davis nor Carter have ever played this many snaps. Cox played a ton of snaps and so on.

Re-watching the game from yesterday, they looked exhausted. When humphries left the game, the cardinals didn’t miss a beat on offense. So either the eagles really lacked effort to exploit that or guys are exhausted to the point where inferior players are just punishing them. It’s really looked this way since 2nd quarter of the niners game. At some point i don’t think if it’s this consistent that it’s effort. I think guys are are emotionally and physically drained 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Re-watching the game from yesterday, they looked exhausted. When humphries left the game, the cardinals didn’t miss a beat on offense. So either the eagles really lacked effort to exploit that or guys are exhausted to the point where inferior players are just punishing them. It’s really looked this way since 2nd quarter of the niners game. At some point i don’t think if it’s this consistent that it’s effort. I think guys are are emotionally and physically drained 

Yep. Josh Sweat on the sideline hanging his head after the missed sack is more than enough I needed to see to tell they are in their own heads at this point and just emotionally done as well as physically. 

Didn't realize Roby was inactive. Talk about stupid decisions. #29 hasn't played in months. F easing him back in huhn.

 

All of this is why I don't think there's a zero % chance Sirianni stays if the season ends ugly. I don't know how you sell to your core stars bringing back a coach they think sucks. And Lurie has shown he'll bail when he thinks the train is headed off the tracks rather than waiting for it to crash and burn to do it.

5 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

I guess I could agree that it’s a combo of all things that you’ve mentioned. Talent, coaching, being emotionally & physically drained and lastly effort. Maybe effort is due to the coaching like it has been for the offense?! 
I thought the game against the Cardinals would be close, but I would have never thought that our defense would look like a JV high school D compared to the opponent. 

I really don’t think this is an effort issue on defense. It is hard to prove guys aren’t playing with effort on that side of the ball. Like aj brown not blocking on a run play or half assing it on a play not going to him is much easier to prove then a DL. I think DL is a more physically demanding position and gets worn down over time. Why having the depth they and last year was insane and why they looked great all year. I think it may look like they aren’t giving it their all but they aren’t going to look the same in week 17 as they are in week 1 just due to that physical demand and especially when the quality depth along the line just isn’t there this year. 

 

It’s sad to think that the Eagles are one of the healthiest teams in the nfl right now.

Literally the entire team is available except Nakobe Dean.  

8 minutes ago, judunno said:

It's not realistic because it only works short term with QBs on rookie contracts (like it did with the Eagles last year and 9ers this year) or if some vet guy gets hot. Eventually the QB either gets paid big bucks or they fall back to earth and you end up with a great supporting cast that has no one to get them the ball. Then they have to hope that they hit on a rookie QB before the window closes on the supporting cast contracts. A rookie that they probably won't be drafting high and the odds are against them.

I am not trying to be argumentative, what you stated is fair when it comes to averages. Call me an idiot. I am just tired of seeing overpaid QBs, if you have a HOF QB, pay the man. If you don't have a HOF QB don't pay them. Go get a seviceable QB and add 4 top tier players at their position. preferably get really strong on defense.

There have just been too many QBs reset the market that haven't done squat...only 3 of the top ten QBs in salary have won a SB...2 others have played in one, 3 have recently been lost for the season due to injury (one of them 2X).  Salary ranks 5(2), 8 (2), and 10 have won SBs. It's just a ton of money to risk on one position that comsumes 25% of your cap. I just don't like paying one guy 25% of my payroll budget.

If Jerry pays Dak or extends him (he's already made comments about doing so) before the opportunity to void him in 2025 he is an idiot (he's already an idiot), unless Dak does something miraculous this year or next...too many other guys to sign...Parsons and Lamb specifically.

21 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yep. Josh Sweat on the sideline hanging his head after the missed sack is more than enough I needed to see to tell they are in their own heads at this point and just emotionally done as well as physically. 

Yup. I really don’t think this is a lack of urgency or lack of effort. I think their guys are just spent emotionally and physically. I think that Buffalo Bills game was their grand finale. The defense put everything into trying to help the Eagles have a chance to come back in that game. (Previous game they basically kept the eagles in it all night and were saved by MVS dropping the ball). That now they don’t have anything left. That was the grand finale.

when you compound that with the fact they have poor coaching and personnel issues it’s looks even worse. 

like if people go back and watch the all 22 from the Miami, Dallas, and even Kansas City games, the guys look like they have more juice to them. Because I don’t think they’re drained yet. I think playing the schedule they did, playing as many close games as they did and expending the amount of energy they had to eventually caught up to them. Not excusing their play cause they really shouldn’t be this awful even being gassed. But eventually they were gonna pay the piper. It came in week 13 onward 

but then again, I was one of the few people that didn’t think they were going to get back to the Super Bowl. I thought they would be a 10 to 11 win team. I thought they’d win a playoff game then likely lose in the divisional. I just thought with the amount of guys they lost on defense was going to get them along with losing two coordinators. It’s why i said in training camp they need to make a move at safety cause i didn’t trust Blankenship to stay healthy for 17 weeks, edmunds, Evans and Wallace were just guys and I’m not relying on a 3rd round rookie to hit the ground running. and even if Dean was good the eagles had no poor depth at the position and really no other quality LBs. So if someone got hurt they were screwed. Dean didn’t pan out and Cunningham is too old to be relied on every week. Add on the eagles losing hargrave, suh and Joseph was gonna hurt when only adding Carter.  

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup. I really don’t think this is a lack of urgency or lack of effort. I think their guys are just spent emotionally and physically. I think that Buffalo Bills game was their grand finale. The defense put everything into trying to help the Eagles have a chance to come back in that game. (Previous game they basically kept the eagles in it all night and were saved by MVS dropping the ball). That now they don’t have anything left. That was the grand finale.

when you compound that with the fact they have poor coaching and personnel issues it’s looks even worse. 

 

I think your point stands up unless you take the Desai situation into consideration. It is not an isolated incident and very likely created roots for the current issues. He apparently created a the perception of a confidence problem with his players. The players were reacting. I believe there is a serious locker room issue right now that is affecting performance on the field. Lurie needs to sit down and figure this out and make the necessary changes.

Amazing how the eagles have the best run block win rate according to ESPN. When i watch them on the all 22, play to play the eagles run blocking is an adventure. There will be a play that they look phenomenal. Then the very next play, a guy or two misses a block/assignment and it gets blown up.  It’s why it’s been harder to close out some of these games. Cause run blocking play to play hasn’t been as consistent as last year and even 2021.  

How long before the rule makers in college and the NFL realize these guys are mimicking double fisted machine guns as their celebration🤣 Don't wave, don't give a peace sign, don't mimic slitting your throat. Mowing down the crowd with machine guns. Go for it.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Zooming out, the offense was objectively good.

Careful now, I was told otherwise yesterday 

The offense was "good" but you have to view everything in the proper context. The defense was horrendous. Yes, it sucks and it's unfortunate that the defense was horrendous, but it was. So it was up to the offense at the end of that game to not run two Fing QB runs and another bubble screen. It was that one specific series that has everyone pissed off. And not just because of yesterday. It's because they've done the same BS all year. How many times have they had a drive with the chance to ice the game and not be able to close it out? Some of those games they ended up getting lucky and winning anyway. Lately, not so fortunate. The offense chokes up at the absolute worst times.

You don't have to choose between one or the other, both can be issues.

And the infuriating part is you know it's not going to change. It's coming in the wild card round, we all know it. Eagles tied 27-27 against the Bucs in the 4Q with 4:30 to play and the ball. You know once they cross the 50, and the offense is humming, they're going to call a QB draw and two bubble screens to stall the drive and cost them their season. We know this because they've done the same Fing BS all season. Over and over and over and over and over and over again.

29 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It’s sad to think that the Eagles are one of the healthiest teams in the nfl right now.

Literally the entire team is available except Nakobe Dean.  

Dean, Cunningham, Slay, Maddox (again), now Smitty. :(

Eagles had a 21-6 halftime lead and scored only 10 points in the second half off 4 drives. Take away the last one if you want. Call them "good” or "fine” or whatever you want. They weren’t good enough. Defense deserves the majority of the blame for the loss. Maybe it’s unfair. I’m tired of seeing the same mistakes and stupid situational football over and over and over for 4 months now on offense. 

Are people just ignoring the AJ Brown situation? He knows the offense isn’t good enough. Half the players say it’s not good enough. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Eagles had a 21-6 halftime lead and scored only 10 points in the second half off 4 drives. Take away the last one if you want. Call them "good” or "fine” or whatever you want. They weren’t good enough. Defense deserves the majority of the blame for the loss. Maybe it’s unfair. I’m tired of seeing the same mistakes and stupid situational football over and over and over for 4 months now. 

You have to take it off. They needed to get a touchdown with no timeouts with 32 seconds left. It's 10 points over 3 drives, 3.33/pts per drive which is still above average.

The investments in LB don't have to come from market setting contracts or 1st round picks, but they need to come from somewhere. Howie is gonna regret the degree to which he neglected the position this year.

Eagles offense should be graded on a curve - it's a damn all-star team. Rationalize it all you want, this offense with this personnel should not in any way be a question mark, and it is. That's on the coaches, point blank.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

It's 10 points over 3 drives

This stat is surprising. Last nght listening to the game run down the Cards had a 40 to 20 minute advantage in TOP and a 70 - 40 advantage of offensive plays ran...I didn't realize they only had 3 drives in the 2nd half, crazy.