54 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Burn it down. Nick is a clown and you could see Brown shaking his head leaving the field. 

He doesn't know defense. Sucks at offense. He has motivation. That's it and that's not enough. Time to go.

43 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

I think your point stands up unless you take the Desai situation into consideration. It is not an isolated incident and very likely created roots for the current issues. He apparently created a the perception of a confidence problem with his players. The players were reacting. I believe there is a serious locker room issue right now that is affecting performance on the field. Lurie needs to sit down and figure this out and make the necessary changes.

I think their problem is they got is poor coaching. Along guys who aren’t very good on their back 7 and have bigger names then what they are playing like. Byard wasn’t good with the titans before he was traded here. Listening to their reporters, solak and just watching some titans all 22 from 2022 and 2023, he looked slow as F and old compared to 2022. He came here looks the same. So is it that both vrabel and the eagles couldn’t get him playing like 2021-2022 or that he’s just a bigger name then what he is now. also poor coaching on that side of the ball. Patricia is a bad DC. He has been bad unless belichick was by his side. Imo I’m guessing there’s guys that didn’t agree with that move and the confidence thing was leaked out so they could make that move easier as they didn’t think desai could get it done against Dallas or niners in the playoffs. If they had someone i thought was actually good then I’d have been more for it. But like i said then, i don’t think it was going to work and it was likely to yield the same results cause Patricia isn’t good  

I don’t think desai is going to be some good Dc in this league. Frankly he’s likely going to just be a positional coach. But also thought desai got a raw deal as he should’ve been allowed to finish the year. He ran into 4 straight games against top 10 dvoa offenses. And 3 straight games against top 5 dvoa offense. Most teams are gonna have issues. Ours were really bad. So i wasn’t going to say keep him at all costs. But we don’t have ravens or niners personnel. And he’s not wilks or demeco Ryans or Macdonald.

I was hoping they would give desai more time and see if desai could learn from those three ass whooping’s. they’re lessons to be learned from those experiences as a younger DC. people can rail on him and throw him under the bus, but there were times this year he showed in the 2nd half that he was willing to make adjustments and D got better as the game went on. So I can’t just assume those three ass whippings, he wouldn’t gain anything out of it. Nobody goes through their entire career without getting their ass beat a couple times. Schwartz had a couple here and prior to being here. It’s how you respond going forward and when you run into that battle the next time vs. niners or Dallas that will determine how viable or not you are.

I’d have probably fired him at the end of the year if we continued down this road and he looked just as awful next time we got to Dallas/SF or if we were this bad costing us games prior to that

Personally, i think the desai decision was made the scapegoat for a FO who made countless poor decisions during this offseason in letting certain guys leave and keeping certain guys and not wanting to accept they need a new scheme as fangio scheme has been caught up to by the league. It’s why fangio hasn’t had a good defensive performance against ravens, eagles and bills. The best was Dallas who on the road got their average.  

That said their run defense was bad since the bye week prior to his removal. in the four games after the bye before his dismissal they gave up 625 yards on the ground on 130 carries. So 4.8 yards per carry and 156 yards on the ground per game. Sadly it’s been slightly better since then at 150 and 4.7

** also love the Eagles leaking out that Patricia is still using this desai defense/scheme. No crap they are. desai is running a Fangio style defense with similar schemes and techniques being applied. And the eagles are using cushion with corners and schemes that they asked gannon and Schwartz to run before these two DCs this year.So basically what you’re telling me is you had 2 defensive coordinators running the Fangio style defense and it hasn’t worked. And fangio is down in Miami getting his ass whooped by offenses like the Eagles, bills, and ravens along with a miserable performance against the titans similarly to the eagles defense. So basically what that is  telling me is the Fangio philosophy of defense has been caught up too and not as  good anymore. Which comes down to you as an organization have to Fing realize that.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Burn it down 

Can understand his frustration.  He wants to win and he wants the ball in key moments, as it should be.  It's a bit analogous to the Purdy situation in SF.  He needs to get the ball to his playmakers like Run CMC and all will be well.  Our coaches and maybe Hurts too don't seem to get that for some reason.  We should have go-to plays for the big three, especially Brown, on key plays depending upon the down and distance.

 

11 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Burn it down. Nick is a clown and you could see Brown shaking his head leaving the field. 

He doesn't know defense. Sucks at offense. He has motivation. That's it and that's not enough. Time to go.

I get tired of the AJ stuff, but these guys are alphas and they know when the ship isn’t right. DeVonta coming out last week being critical is what tipped the scales for me, considering he’s usually not like that. He’s from an esteemed program, been around the best coaching, and that’s what really told me something wasn’t right internally. It’s when the quiet guys start talking, not the loud ones. Sydney Brown even gave a tell in his interview yesterday too about the practices. 

5 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I get tired of the AJ stuff, but these guys are alphas and they know when the ship isn’t right. DeVonta coming out last week being critical is what tipped the scales for me, considering he’s usually not like that. He’s from an esteemed program, been around the best coaching, and that’s what really told me something wasn’t right internally. It’s when the quiet guys start talking, not the loud ones. Sydney Brown even gave a tell in his interview yesterday too about the practices. 

What did Sydney Brown say? I had a family thing yesterday and today and haven’t been able to read much. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think desai is going to be some good Dc in this league. Frankly he’s likely going to just be a positional coach. But also thought desai got a raw deal as he should’ve been allowed to finish the year. He ran into 4 straight games against top 10 dvoa offenses. And 3 straight games against top 5 dvoa offense. Most teams are gonna have issues. Ours were really bad. So i wasn’t going to say keep him at all costs. But we don’t have ravens or niners personnel. And he’s not wilks or demeco Ryans or Macdonald.

I was hoping they would give desai more time and see if desai could learn from those three ass whooping’s. they’re lessons to be learned from those experiences as a younger DC. people can rail on him and throw him under the bus, but there were times this year he showed in the 2nd half that he was willing to make adjustments and D got better as the game went on. So I can’t just assume those three ass whippings, he wouldn’t gain anything out of it. Nobody goes through their entire career without getting their ass beat a couple times. Schwartz had a couple here and prior to being here. It’s how you respond going forward and when you run into that battle the next time vs. niners or Dallas that will determine how viable or not you are.

I’d have probably fired him at the end of the year if we continued down this road and he looked just as awful next time we got to Dallas/SF or if we were this bad costing us games prior to that

I think you missed my point. He was demoted/removed for creating a perception that he was not confident enough around the players as reported. It was not a performance issue on the field. I am sure the Eagles "brain trust" would have preferred to have made it to the end of the season before making such a change. It was a drastic move to bounce him in the middle of an important run which suggests that something far bigger internally had to be going on. I think whatever that issue was has now spread to the rest of the locker room. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

What did Sydney Brown say? I had a family thing yesterday and today and haven’t been able to read much. 

He said something to the affect that "you practice as you play". 

The DL is a huge issue as we've discussed. Are they gassed? Should they be gassed? Are they just overrated? Just look at their starters and big contributors. Sweat, Davis and Carter are the big 3 we are counting on. All three are in unchartered territory. 

-Josh Sweat's career high in snaps was 655 in 2021. Last year he played in 587. He's already at 816 this year, and provided starters play next week, he will be up over 850. This equals out to Sweat playing 4-5 games more than he's ever played. All of that with a knee that will never be 100%. WAY too much for him.

-Jalen Carter is up to 528 snaps. He averaged 265 snaps per year at UGA, the most being 396 as a Sophomore in 2021. He played in 308 last year. This is uncharted territory for him. UGA played in 15 games last year so not only is he already playing in 2 games more than he has, but his snap total equals out to 5 games more than he's ever played.

-Jordan Davis maxed out at 378 snaps at UGA. As a rookie he played 224 snaps and he's up to 502 snaps this year. With his projected end of year snaps, Davis will have played an extra 7 games in snap counts.

-Fletcher Cox is 33. He's at 684 snaps, his lowest since his rookie year but he's playing the most out of any Eagles DT. Shouldn't be the case.

-Milton Williams is at 471 snaps compared to 395 last year. He played 456 snaps as a rookie so he's on par with his usage. 

-BG is 35, almost 36. He's at 365 snaps which doesn't sound like a lot but at his age, with his production and not having any other DE on the roster, it's an issue.

-Marlon Tuipulotu is serving his role as DT5 at 132 snaps. He doesn't flash

-Moro Ojomo has played 31 snaps. Seems he's jumped out more lately than Tuipulotu and Williams. 

Carter needs to attack the offseason and get in the best shape he's ever been in. We need him playing even more snaps next year and we need those snaps to be dominant. Does he want to be Quinnen Williams, who plays around 70% of the snaps, or does he want to be Aaron Donald, who plays between 80-90% in his prime. Davis is probably hovering around his snap count limitations but he needs to continue his body transformation. Ideally, he's a John Henderson kind of player. Josh Sweat needs his snaps severely limited. Milton Williams is playing the right amount of snaps but needs to be better and Ojomo can take Tuipulotu's snaps next year. 

3 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

Howie needs to stop the mid-season trades.

Golden Tate sorta helped.

Genard Avery didn't work 

Robert Quinn didn't work 

Kevin Byard didn't work

Jay Ajayi

2 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

It's not a technicality.  There's a reason the Eagles can run that play so well while the rest of the league can't and a huge part of that reason is Jalen Hurts.  

Nice.  Maybe we should start a QB who can get us 9 yards on offense consistently,  and when we are a yard away we can sub in Hurts for his specialty. 

32 minutes ago, RLC said:

You have to take it off. They needed to get a touchdown with no timeouts with 32 seconds left. It's 10 points over 3 drives, 3.33/pts per drive which is still above average.

Fine. Take it off. Offense had 3 drives and scored 10 points. They had 4 drives and scored 28 points. We needed to be at their level. 

1 minute ago, aptosbird said:

He said something to the affect that "you practice as you play". 

So does that mean the players aren't practicing hard enough or the coaches aren't pushing them hard enough? 

10 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I get tired of the AJ stuff, but these guys are alphas and they know when the ship isn’t right. DeVonta coming out last week being critical is what tipped the scales for me, considering he’s usually not like that. He’s from an esteemed program, been around the best coaching, and that’s what really told me something wasn’t right internally. It’s when the quiet guys start talking, not the loud ones. Sydney Brown even gave a tell in his interview yesterday too about the practices. 

Yep, seeing DeVonta pissed and talking about it is what opened my eyes the most. Agree with you 100% and posted about it this morning regarding these guys coming from esteemed programs. they have 25% of the roster who has played for Saban or Kirby Smart at Bama and UGA respectively. You can't get better coaching at the college level. It's just my opinion and I could be wrong but I'm guessing they hear Nick talk about flowers and all of his other ra-ra stuff and roll their eyes and laugh based off of where they come from. You mention Sydney Brown and he played for Bret Bielema at Illinois. He's another no nonsense coach who's always pushed his players. I really think these guys are over Nick's schtick. 

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Jay Ajayi

1 out of 5 isn't bad. 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Right now, this is our starting roster in 2024.

Hurts, AJ, Devonta, Goedert, Mailata, Dickerson, Jurgens, Steen, Johnson. Major holes: RB1, WR3, OL6, OL7.
Reddick, Davis, Carter, Sweat, Slay, Ringo, Brown. Major holes: LB1, LB2, S1, CB3.

It's really not that dire compared to most teams. 

And DE opposite Sweat.

The defense isn't as devoid of talent everywhere as some people think. The LBs are garbage, the coaching & scheme suck.

Get a quality DC, add 2 quality LBs and a full-time starting DE and it makes a big difference. 

19 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

I think you missed my point. He was demoted/removed for creating a perception that he was not confident enough around the players as reported. It was not a performance issue on the field. I am sure the Eagles "brain trust" would have preferred to have made it to the end of the season before making such a change. It was a drastic move to bounce him in the middle of an important run which suggests that something far bigger internally had to be going on. I think whatever that issue was has now spread to the rest of the locker room. 

I got your point. I view it more this way, the brain trust saw the schedule coming up. Back up quarterback for the Seahawks, Giants, Cardinals, and Giants. They wanted to have a scapegoat for the reasons why the personnel moves they made this off-season hadn’t worked out defensively. That schedule provided promise if they made the move to Patricia to show the defense would be getting better and help justify their personnel/personnel moves. And it would signify that desai was the major source of the problem. desai’ defense just got destroyed by 3 top offenses so they demoted him and used the "confidence around the players” excuse to justify making the move rather than say he was just awful against row SB conteders so we didn’t think he could cut it in the playoffs. The only thing that could go wrong with that is it the defense didn’t get better against weaker opponents with Patricia as the DC like they thought. It actually backfired and they didn’t. So now the fingers come back to pointing out the decisions made this off-season just weren’t very good and in general a not very good defense with poor DCs

imo I think desai was made the complete scapegoat in all this so could overlook poor personnel decisions this offseason. He’s not absolved from blame he has a role in the poor defensive showings. He has a role in this as well and in his own demise. But I think there’s players in that locker room that thought it was BS when they saw that report about "confidence” and what they did.  

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

1 out of 5 isn't bad. 

Tate was ok so let's say 1.5  The investment made is small given the chance to put the team over the top.  I have no problem with these types of trades.  Howie accumulates plenty of draft capital and then uses a bit to take a shot.

44 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Eagles had a 21-6 halftime lead and scored only 10 points in the second half off 4 drives. Take away the last one if you want. Call them "good” or "fine” or whatever you want. They weren’t good enough. Defense deserves the majority of the blame for the loss. Maybe it’s unfair. I’m tired of seeing the same mistakes and stupid situational football over and over and over for 4 months now on offense. 

Are people just ignoring the AJ Brown situation? He knows the offense isn’t good enough. Half the players say it’s not good enough. 

Dont forget the Defense scored 7(well 6 plus Jakes extra point) of those points in the 1st half. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s week 17 and we have to use timeouts because Jack Stoll doesn’t know he’s supposed to be on the field and Julio Jones, a HOF WR, regardless if he’s washed or not, also doesn’t know what is going on. It’s coaching for sure, but it’s still why I don’t care about metrics. 

Yup.  100%.  

17 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

What did Sydney Brown say? I had a family thing yesterday and today and haven’t been able to read much. 

 

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Tate was ok so let's say 1.5  The investment made is small given the chance to put the team over the top.  I have no problem with these types of trades.  Howie accumulates plenty of draft capital and then uses a bit to take a shot.

Yeah that's fine but it just seems these mid season trades don't work.

The last 2 trades for Quinn and Byard, problem is both guys are old and past their prime.  Maybe Howie should aim for some younger guys with these trades.  Not to mention it's got to be difficult for a player to join a team half way thru the season and have to get up to speed on everything. 

Running back to back QB draws on 1st and 20 on that final drive is a fireable offense when you have AJ Brown, Devonta Smith, and Dallas Goedert on your roster.

Someone gots to go.

15 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

The DL is a huge issue as we've discussed. Are they gassed? Should they be gassed? Are they just overrated? Just look at their starters and big contributors. Sweat, Davis and Carter are the big 3 we are counting on. All three are in unchartered territory. 

-Josh Sweat's career high in snaps was 655 in 2021. Last year he played in 587. He's already at 816 this year, and provided starters play next week, he will be up over 850. This equals out to Sweat playing 4-5 games more than he's ever played. All of that with a knee that will never be 100%. WAY too much for him.

-Jalen Carter is up to 528 snaps. He averaged 265 snaps per year at UGA, the most being 396 as a Sophomore in 2021. He played in 308 last year. This is uncharted territory for him. UGA played in 15 games last year so not only is he already playing in 2 games more than he has, but his snap total equals out to 5 games more than he's ever played.

-Jordan Davis maxed out at 378 snaps at UGA. As a rookie he played 224 snaps and he's up to 502 snaps this year. With his projected end of year snaps, Davis will have played an extra 7 games in snap counts.

-Fletcher Cox is 33. He's at 684 snaps, his lowest since his rookie year but he's playing the most out of any Eagles DT. Shouldn't be the case.

-Milton Williams is at 471 snaps compared to 395 last year. He played 456 snaps as a rookie so he's on par with his usage. 

-BG is 35, almost 36. He's at 365 snaps which doesn't sound like a lot but at his age, with his production and not having any other DE on the roster, it's an issue.

-Marlon Tuipulotu is serving his role as DT5 at 132 snaps. He doesn't flash

-Moro Ojomo has played 31 snaps. Seems he's jumped out more lately than Tuipulotu and Williams. 

Carter needs to attack the offseason and get in the best shape he's ever been in. We need him playing even more snaps next year and we need those snaps to be dominant. Does he want to be Quinnen Williams, who plays around 70% of the snaps, or does he want to be Aaron Donald, who plays between 80-90% in his prime. Davis is probably hovering around his snap count limitations but he needs to continue his body transformation. Ideally, he's a John Henderson kind of player. Josh Sweat needs his snaps severely limited. Milton Williams is playing the right amount of snaps but needs to be better and Ojomo can take Tuipulotu's snaps next year. 

Why did they cut Barnett? He could have provided some useful snaps and relief for BG and Sweat. 

23 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I get tired of the AJ stuff, but these guys are alphas and they know when the ship isn’t right. DeVonta coming out last week being critical is what tipped the scales for me, considering he’s usually not like that. He’s from an esteemed program, been around the best coaching, and that’s what really told me something wasn’t right internally. It’s when the quiet guys start talking, not the loud ones. Sydney Brown even gave a tell in his interview yesterday too about the practices. 

Kelce & Mailata have also been frustrated you can read between the lines. Mailata said everyone is frustrated, that the offense should be doing more.

Kelce always stays professional in comments, but he was holding back crying yesterday, could tell how frustrated he was.