It’s baffling this even needs to be said out loud 

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

You don’t throw in the damn towel. We play at the same time. If they were 1p and we were at 4p I could see it if the Cowboys are up big. But not in this scenario. 

Yup.  Play your starters as long as the division is there to be won.  If DAL gets up 20 points, you can always sit them down.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Yup.  Play your starters as long as the division is there to be won.  If DAL gets up 20 points, you can always sit them down.

I actually want to see the backups at this point. Coaches usually coach when the backups are in.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s baffling this even needs to be said out loud 

What a disaster. 

Skins can’t beat the Cowboys 

Howell is the worst of the worst even no playing the Eagles 🤣🤣

Get the man an IV full of fun stat 

21 minutes ago, NOTW said:

My main takeaway is even a national media guy is pointing fingers at Siri

Yeah his point on offense was spot on. They don’t have an identity and they can’t fix the mistakes they are making. I disagree with him that Gannon was a great DC. Gannon was exposed with similar personnel to this year in 2021. KC, chargers, Bucs and Dallas routinely depantsed him. They were ranked higher defensively due to them having a last place schedule cause good teams embarrassed him that year. Can say he did better against the bad teams but that doesn’t make me say he’s a great DC 

let’s be realistic Gannon was given a stacked deck of cards on defense last year and had relatively great health. Their pass rush disappeared cause they lost suh, hargrave and even Joseph who took up space. Replaced them with Carter. That was the only addition they made besides getting that bum Barnett back. As great as Carter is and can be, he’s not hargrave yet. Reason why he was a pro bowl caliber player. I’d add Williams and sweat regressed this year and facing a much better schedule. Add on our linebackers went from average to slightly above average to non existent. That’s a major issue. Add on regression or health from bradberry and slay.  It’s why they feasted on most of the bad/mediocre offenses and got destroyed by teams like KC and Dallas with Dak. Only time they looked good vs. a good offense and top 10 like Qb was Minnesota with cousins on a Thursday night.

They have a DC and coaching problem but if we are comparing Gannon in 2022 to this year, it’s a grossly different team personnel wise with losing suh, Epps, CJGJ, Joseph, hargrave, Edwards and white and replacing it with Carter, Dean, Cunningham, morrow, edmunds, byard (declining here and with titans), Evans, Blankenship and Leonard. 

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Acho is the guy that just says dumb stuff all the time but it’s not over the top enough like Bayless or ESP to get the troll engagement. 

They finished the show with Acho basically saying it’s the position coaches.  Players aren’t lining up properly, not hitting gaps properly, playing off, etc etc

Shady said that if he was ever in those situations (knowing he should be in a better position on the field) he would just adjust his position himself (basically overriding where the coach wants him)

Maybe that’s what the players need to start doing. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Get the man an IV full of fun stat 

Not the way he gets drugged tested.

44 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

 

I love how Morrow is completely useless, runs up just to get destroyed and doesn't even slow down the OL. 

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah his point on offense was spot on. They don’t have an identity and they can’t fix the mistakes they are making. I disagree with him that Gannon was a great DC. Gannon was exposed with similar personnel to this year in 2021. KC, chargers and Dallas routinely depantsed him. They were ranked higher defensively due to them having a last place schedule cause good teams embarrassed him that year  

let’s be realistic Gannon was given a stacked deck of cards on defense last year and had relatively great health. Their pass rush disappeared cause they lost suh, hargrave and even Joseph who took up space. Replaced them with Carter. That was the only addition they made besides getting that bum Barnett back. As great as Carter is and can be, he’s not hargrave yet. Reason why he was a pro bowl caliber player. I’d add Williams and sweat regressed this year and facing a much better schedule. Add on our linebackers went from average to slightly above average to non existent. That’s a major issue. Add on regression or health from bradberry and slay.  It’s why they feasted on most of the bad/mediocre offenses and got destroyed by teams like KC and Dallas with Dak. Only time they looked good vs. a good offense and top 10 like Qb was Minnesota with cousins on a Thursday night.

They have a DC and coaching problem but if we are comparing Gannon in 2022 to this year, it’s a grossly different team personnel wise with losing suh, Epps, CJGJ, Joseph, hargrave, Edwards and white and replacing it with Carter, Dean, Cunningham, morrow, edmunds, byard (declining here and with titans), Evans, Blankenship and Leonard. 

They have a freaking identity they are just in denial. Identity is actually power football... running the ball then punish with the big 3 when defenses adjust for the run. If they were consistent and committed to this identity all year, the OL wouldn't be missing so many damn blocking assignments. It's like they forgot why they were so successful last year.

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I love how Morrow is completely useless, runs up just to get destroyed and doesn't even slow down the OL. 

I’d argue they have the worst collection of linebackers in the league. Last year they were above average and now you might have the worst in the league. 

54 minutes ago, just relax said:

In a word: soft.

On multiple levels.

The most frustrating part is that the coaches HAVE to know what their identity is and what they do well.  The just refuse to f'ing do it. 

It's not like everyone is wondering what could possibly be done. Just do what works and stop doing what obviously doesn't.  It's maddening how stubborn and incompetent they've been at things that are obvious.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d argue they have the worst collection of linebackers in the league. Last year they were above average and now you might have the worst in the league. 

Nonsense .. number 57s RAS is off the charts

1 minute ago, judunno said:

Nonsense .. number 57s RAS is off the charts

Another benefactor of a terrible game, people are going to forget his stupid situational IQ at the end when he should have let them score instead of waste more time 

1 minute ago, judunno said:

They have a freaking identity they are just in denial. Identity is actually power football... running the ball then punish with the big 3 when defenses adjust for the run. If they were consistent and committed to this identity all year, the OL wouldn't be missing so many damn blocking assignments. It's like they forgot why they were so successful last year.

Denial or not wanting to be that. Either way is a shame. Like you said the OL is inconsistent with their assignments in run blocking. Maybe that gets better more commitment to it. watching the seattle game over, they wanted to be that late in that game with swift to run the clock out. They’d have good blocking for two plays followed by 2 really bad. It’s an issue. Like you said maybe more commitment it isn’t as often or inconsistent but either way it’s been an issue thats bit them run blocking. It’s why i was shocked espn had them no. 1 in run block win rate. 

3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

It's a 1 yard play.  If they didnt run it, they might have 2 fewer TDs on the year, Hurts has a couple extra passing TDs, and the RB's have 10 more rushing TDs.  It's a radically different utilization of the offense inside the 5, but it's not transformative and it is a bit of a technicality in stats.

 

Completely ignorant statement.  You saw all around the league teams trying to imitate or just flat out struggling in their 3rd and 4th and short plays all year long (unless they were playing the Eagles defense), meanwhile the Eagles have an unstoppable play.  It is transformative.  It's an automatic 1-2 yards and no other team can do it anywhere near as well as we can.  

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Denial or not wanting to be that. Either way is a shame. Like you said the OL is inconsistent with their assignments in run blocking. Maybe that gets better more commitment to it. watching the seattle game over, they wanted to be that late in that game with swift to run the clock out. They’d have good blocking for two plays followed by 2 really bad. It’s an issue. Like you said maybe more commitment it isn’t as often or inconsistent but either way it’s been an issue thats bit them run blocking. It’s why i was shocked espn had them no. 1 in run block win rate. 

They're good at it when locked in. With anything it reps and practice. They rather go big play though.Logic doesn't make sense. You want big plays dominate a defense on the ground to get them out of the two deep safety looks.

44 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yes, that’s true. But how they got the points doesn’t really matter to my point. The offense had a 15 point advantage. When there’s no defense, the offense has to go blow for blow to keep the pace, and they did not. So I don’t really care if the points per drive was above average or whatever metric there is. They simply weren’t good enough. 

Mmmhmm.   And its not like the Cardinals are a juggernaut offense.   Here's a crazy idea... run the ball against the 32nd run defense and protect your defense in the second half.   The Eagles got the ball back with an 8 point lead in the second half.  What did they do?

Run - no gain.
Pass to Swift - 5 yards.

Deep ball to Smith?  3rd and 5... where is the slant?  the middle screen to Goedert?  The high percentage throw?

Then they punt and the Cards (1:38 off the clock!)

 

Cardinals tie it up again and the Eagles get a TD, great... 7+ minute drive.  Ideal. 

Cardinals tie it again... and go for the onside kick ensuring they get another possession... so, the Eagles had to play that drive differently.  5 minutes left, they needed to get in the end zone.  Anything less was a failure.  When they got to 1st and 20, they turtled up like crazy content with a FG and bleeding clock, yet in that situation, the clock was relatively meaningless.  The Cardinals had their timeouts and were going to be able to move the ball... or not.  The clock wasn't part of the equation.  Getting a first down and getting into the end zone was all that mattered.  But they turtled.   That was the time to air it out and go for the deep ball... try to move the ball with some YAC.  When we actually run an inside route for Brown, it seems to get good production and might even have picked up the first on a single play... but there was no thought given to that.   They ignored their best weapons in the most critical part of the game... and shockingly they lost.

 

The offense's trouble is 100% about the coaching staff and their inability to dictate to their opponent.  They allow the opponent to dictate to them, which is exactly what Brian Johnson said last week.  He may be a good QB coach, but he's a horrific OC and play caller.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Mmmhmm.   And its not like the Cardinals are a juggernaut offense.   Here's a crazy idea... run the ball against the 32nd run defense and protect your defense in the second half.   The Eagles got the ball back with an 8 point lead in the second half.  What did they do?

Run - no gain.
Pass to Swift - 5 yards.

Deep ball to Smith?  3rd and 5... where is the slant?  the middle screen to Goedert?  The high percentage throw?

Then they punt and the Cards (1:38 off the clock!)

Arizona blitzed. Hurts threw a 1 on 1 to Devonta Smtih on an alert. He hit Smith in the hands. Smith dropped out. That's not bad playcalling. That's just a bad play by Smitty. 

40 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If there’s anyone that wants a sliver of hope, this is kind of like the 2022 Phillies who slid ass backwards into the playoffs and did everything they could to tank the season just to get hot at the right time. I wouldn’t expect it, and football is nothing like baseball, but whatever. Eat at Arby’s. 

Michigan turns it over on the first play from scrimmage.

Michigan catches a break since the DB stepped out of bounds

40 minutes ago, NOTW said:

My main takeaway is even a national media guy is pointing fingers at Siri