11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They absolutely can offensively, because they have the pieces, trouble is the guy calling plays and drawing up the offense is clueless how to do it.

 

I'll lay it out for him: 

Use Swift to run the ball, out of pistol or under center.
Use play action and get the ball to Brown over the middle where he's moving either forward or horizontally and let him get some YAC.  Stop with the outs and come backs to him all the time.
Scrap the bubble screen completely out of the playbook.
Stop looking to set up 3rd and 1 situations so that you can run the Shove.
On 3rd and 5 or more, throw the ball 7 or more yards down the field.  Square ins, deep crosses.

And use MOTION to allow Hurts to know if its man or zone more easily and make the defense have to adjust to you, rather than the other way around.

Oh.. and get the plays in faster so that they are at the line fast enough to be able to do all of this.

Let me rephrase. They aren’t going to fix it with those things cause they don’t want to do the things you suggested consistently.  And they don’t believe those cures what’s ailing them. Not that i disagree with you. I actually agree but they are going to be stubborn and somehow point to the offense isn’t bad cause of bs analytics they’ll use

that said the mistakes I was referring to was more their turnovers. I think these are bad habits that they’ve built up throughout the course of the year. Jalen has been better the last two weeks cause giants game that was a slip on goedert’s part and yesterday was a Hail Mary throw at the end. But really the eagles just find ways to have turnovers. Played 16 games and have had a turnover in 13. Been 5 weeks since they played a turnover free game. 

Milroe wussed out

59 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s baffling this even needs to be said out loud 

I think the issue here is that we are very predictable on the backend - 2 strong safeties, rookie DBs, LBs off the scrap heap… mismatches everywhere coupled with the no big play mantra where weakening the pass rush or run defense is a legitimate tradeoff.

11 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Its just coachspeak man

Yes and no. Theres a difference between coach speak like "we have a lot of confidence in Quez Watkins” but benching him for 2 weeks. Theres just no good reason to be dropping Reddick that much. Nick can lie or tell the truth and it’s still just stupid as hell. 

Eagles won't do it.

But I'd go:

LB

S

DE/DT

In the next draft.

Howie needs his nuts in a vice if he goes offense in the first couple of rounds.

30 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I think they just suck ass.

4 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Eagles won't do it.

But I'd go:

LB

S

DE/DT

In the next draft.

Howie needs his nuts in a vice if he goes offense in the first couple of rounds.

Problem is they need a tackle

5 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Eagles won't do it.

But I'd go:

LB

S

DE/DT

In the next draft.

Howie needs his nuts in a vice if he goes offense in the first couple of rounds.

OT is going to be our first rounder. It's an excellent OT draft and Lane has at most 2 years left.

31 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Just saying the eagles have given up 138 points in the 2nd quarter. So their conditioning is an issue earlier in the game then too. 

8 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Eagles won't do it.

But I'd go:

LB

S

DE/DT

In the next draft.

Howie needs his nuts in a vice if he goes offense in the first couple of rounds.

Even if they pick the right positions and guys, 3 rookies likely won’t turn the D around in 2024… got to coach up what we have, as we are kind of painted-in capwise.

So many good posts today that are spot on.

5 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Here's a few scenarios:

Option 1: The Eagles hire a new OC next year.  He comes in with a new scheme, works with Hurts, and calls the plays.  It's a smashing success.  Hurts is great, offense is back to 2022, team is great...now 5 teams are lining up to offer him their HC job.  What do you think about this?  Do you really want Siri, who...at this point...definitively brings nothing schematic or tangible to the table as the HC of this team?  Would you promote this guy to HC and fire Siri?  Do you let him walk and invite another 2023?

Option 2: The Eagles hire a new OC (or maybe even HC) next year.  He comes in with a new scheme, works with Hurts, and calls the plays.  Nothing changes.  Same turnovers, inconsistencies, and frustrations with the passing offense as 2023.  How many years of that do you tolerate before hitting reset?

Option 3: Same HC, new OC.  In 2024, things are less excruciating than 2023, but not close to the dominance of 2022 either.  Fall short of making the SB.  The same group comes back for 2025, which is a clone of the 2024 season.  How many years of this do you tolerate before hitting reset?  Just wait for either a lightning in a bottle good year or a wheels falling off year, whichever comes first?

 

Keep in mind option 3 is the most likely scenario.  Things get better, but just sort of fade away over time without re-capturing 2022.  How long are you...are Howie/Lurie...happy to sit on that track?

 

Any Given Sunday

All of those "option 1, 2, 3" things you're saying are overwhelmed by "Any Given Sunday".  

It's not like "well, this coach on paper is 4% better,  so that team will win with 100% certainty".

Siri and Hurts and Shane and Brian have taken the Eagles to the playoffs 3 straight years.   And when you're in the playoffs, it's Any Given Sunday.   No matter how good or bad you are,  you can win against anybody in the playoffs.  

I think that who the Eagles have right now,  those who got the Eagles to the playoffs yet again, can get the Eagles to the playoffs next year, too. 

I can type out a bunch of things I don't like about what the Eagles have been doing this year.   All Brown/Smith all the time,  and nobody else is prepared to play if Brown/Smith are hurt.   

I am REALLY not looking forward to watching Smith limp around in the playoffs because the coaches didn't get Covey targets all year,  despite the fact that he was an above average PR LAST Year.   
 
It's almost like "coaching them up" is not the kind of coaching the Eagles like to do.  (Not counting Oline).    "Siri,  it's clear that Brown and Smith are good, but these other players are not as good, what to do?"    31 teams answer this question by "coaching them up" and giving them snaps and giving them targets and making them better players.   It seems like the Eagles approach is to never take Brown or Smith off the field ever,  never throw to another WR,  and just hope that something like an injury to Brown or Smith never happens,  because it's potentially catastrophic, because "coaching them up" is not something the Eagles seem to do.  

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

So many good posts today that are spot on.

thank you

11 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Eagles won't do it.

But I'd go:

LB

S

DE/DT

In the next draft.

Howie needs his nuts in a vice if he goes offense in the first couple of rounds.

I’d say DE above LB. 

40 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The worst offense of the last 30 years was the 2006 Oakland Raiders.  They averaged over 4 yards per play.

The tush push averages less than 2.

Its not transformative.

What exactly do you mean when you say not transformative? It's practically changed how the Eagles treat 4th and shorts when on their own side of the ball.

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

OT is going to be our first rounder. It's an excellent OT draft and Lane has at most 2 years left.

If it's an excellent OT draft, there should be an above-average OT in RD3 that Stoutland can make great by 2025.

Back 7 of the defense is historically bad.

Time to rip off the bandaid.

Maybe this is unfair, but I've been thinking a lot about Sirianni's first presser lately and how cringe it was. First impressions are long lasting and even through the success, how bad it was never completely left my mind, though it was tucked far away especially last season. And I always had a gut feeling about the guy that he was going to have a short shelf life in the NFL because the rah rah stuff can only hold weight for so long and only when you're winning. X's and O's gets you out of funks, not speeches or motivational quotes. So I've long wondered how Sirianni would respond when he hit his first rough patch and watching him speak the last few weeks, my god it's worse than I ever imagined. He has come off like a complete clown recently. Like a total simpleton.

37 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's garbage.  He's the HC.  He has every right and the responsibility to tell the DC to knock that crap off.  If they are continuing to do it, its because he's allowing it.  He's not being too good of a guy, he's being a bad HC.  

I’m trying to be optimistic about Sirianni.  He’s an offensive coach so I’m guessing he doesn’t get involved in the defense all that much.  But something that blatant, I agree - he needs to get involved.   

I bet Minter goes to Ravens as DC when MacDonald gets a HC Job 

Pain.

5 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

5 hours ago, judunno said:

In situations like the Eagles were in yesterday with the game on the line, I would argue that they should be spamming AJ Brown with targets. Especially on the slants. Damn near unstoppable. Once the defense adjusts to take him away then everyone else eats. They didn't and well we see the results.

 

 

When the Eagles had 30 seconds left and had to score,  the ball should have gone to Brown or Smith.   If they're as great as they're supposed to be, then Hurts to Brown or Hurts to Smith should = Touchdown and a Win.  But somehow,  that didn't happen.

52 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The worst offense of the last 30 years was the 2006 Oakland Raiders.  They averaged over 4 yards per play.

The tush push averages less than 2.

Its not transformative.

 

You're being intentionally obtuse.  

33 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's garbage.  He's the HC.  He has every right and the responsibility to tell the DC to knock that crap off.  If they are continuing to do it, its because he's allowing it.  He's not being too good of a guy, he's being a bad HC.  

I said that after the 2nd Washington game, which they almost lost by allowing Sam Freaking Howell to get rid of the ball quickly because for two years straight, they refuse to put their corners in press.  Bieniemy knew it from the SB, and they did it against him twice this year.       

Bradberry can at least show press, then back off, or play press zone and get him help on the back end, but to allow those quick passes on a defense not known for it's tackling and nearly losing the game because of it was really embarrassing.   IMO, someone should of lost their job then. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Pain.

He dodged a bullet. Would have been a career ender

38 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I think we are already seeing this year what happens when we try to run a non rpo based offense

When have we done that?   Its not an RPO, its an RO offense with RPO mixed in.   It's why we don't use pistol or go under center.   We haven't seen a legit NFL offense yet.