12 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Low snap probably cost them to throw it to the guy in motion 

That was a straight run from the get go.  I don’t think the snap influenced anything. 

3 minutes ago, devpool said:

What more can he have on offense? A WR3? He has two stud receivers, a stud RB, a very good TE, a great OL. What else can they give? 

You need to be ready for moves down the road as well as next man up. WR3 doesn't have to be a WR3. He can come in as WR3 with WR1/2 potential. Are they going to extend AJ Brown when his cap hit goes from $12 million to $26 million after next year or do they look to move on? Does DeVonta Smith get a huge deal here or does he walk after year 5? 

I hope both are here for the next 5 years but the reality is, after next year they can move on from AJ Brown. He'll be 28. Will he be any happier with the coaches in a year? DeVonta is due his 5th year option after next year. Wouldn't be surprised if he asks to get moved so he can sign a new deal with another team if things don't change here. 

Even if both Brown and Smith are here for the next 5 years, Julio, Quez and Oz are all FA after this year. There is no WR3, WR4 or WR5. 

That stud RB is a FA and do we think Howie is paying him? Stud RB turns in to Kenny Gainwell as RB1 really fast.

That very good tight end is good to miss 4 games per year and TE2/3/4 are the most JAG players ever. The Eagles need a TE2 who can step in for Goedert when he gets hurt and then be ready to take over either after next year or 2025. None of Stoll, Calcaterra or Albert O are those guys.

That great OL has underachieved in a big way this year. There's about to be a hole at either C or RG and the RT needs the next man up sooner than later. 

Every position you listed could be listed as a position of need if the defense wasn't so full of holes. I don't want to sound negative but it's just the truth when you step back and look at the team from an objective point of view. 

 

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

A few times in one game doesn't count to me.  

It was sarcasm, I've been under the impression that Hurts doesn't like playing under Center. 

 

Watching the sugar bowl and Brian Johnson is basically running Washington's offense 🙄

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You need to be ready for moves down the road as well as next man up. WR3 doesn't have to be a WR3. He can come in as WR3 with WR1/2 potential. Are they going to extend AJ Brown when his cap hit goes from $12 million to $26 million after next year or do they look to move on? Does DeVonta Smith get a huge deal here or does he walk after year 5? 

I hope both are here for the next 5 years but the reality is, after next year they can move on from AJ Brown. He'll be 28. Will he be any happier with the coaches in a year? DeVonta is due his 5th year option after next year. Wouldn't be surprised if he asks to get moved so he can sign a new deal with another team if things don't change here. 

Even if both Brown and Smith are here for the next 5 years, Julio, Quez and Oz are all FA after this year. There is no WR3, WR4 or WR5. 

That stud RB is a FA and do we think Howie is paying him? Stud RB turns in to Kenny Gainwell as RB1 really fast.

That very good tight end is good to miss 4 games per year and TE2/3/4 are the most JAG players ever. The Eagles need a TE2 who can step in for Goedert when he gets hurt and then be ready to take over either after next year or 2025. None of Stoll, Calcaterra or Albert O are those guys.

That great OL has underachieved in a big way this year. There's about to be a hole at either C or RG and the RT needs the next man up sooner than later. 

Every position you listed could be listed as a position of need if the defense wasn't so full of holes. I don't want to sound negative but it's just the truth when you step back and look at the team from an objective point of view. 

 

The eagles heading into free agency don’t have a 3rd Wr or 4th WR. Julio, quez and Oz are all free agents. So on the active roster the eagles would have covey, brown and smith. So they need a 3rd and 4th wr. Unless of course everyone wants Greg ward back in one of those roles. I brought up the other day, i wouldn’t be surprised if the eagles like a WR in the early rounds of the draft. I don’t think it’s a given aj brown is back in 2025 with his contract ending after that year. Could be dealt. I think it’s less likely they do that considering how great he is, but i don’t think it’s a 0% chance he’s gone  

At rb the only one on the roster headed into FA is gainwell. Penny, Scott and swift are all free agents. So you need basically an entirely new rb room unless we sign swift. Which frankly i don’t see the eagles giving him a big contract after they let sanders go who statistically had a better year running the ball than swift. I think swift goes elsewhere for a better payday. 

The issue at tight end is Albert O is a free agent. I’m guessing he’s gone. Stoll and Calcaterra are both JAGs. Issue is goedert misses 4-5 games every year and the drop off is significant. Don’t have to have a player as good as goedert but you can’t have what they do behind him cause it’s was too steep of a drop off. I’m assuming they take a tight end in the middle rounds and try to hit on one like ravens did with Isaiah likely. 

OLine not as worried about. I think kelce retires but it’s why they drafted jurgens. Do i think he becomes kelce? Likely not but i do think he’ll wind up being very good with time. The hole at RG is likely going to steen. I don’t think the eagles drafted him high in the third round if they didn’t believe he could be a starter eventually. Reminds me of when they drafted seumalo. It took seumalo til year three to hit is stride but I’m guessing steen is the lead candidate at RG if kelce retires. I’m guessing they also bring in a veteran like they did with wiz in 2017. If steen projects like they think under stoutland then really the biggest hole is future at RT. Unfortunately with how many holes at other positions and help they need on defense, likely going to pass on a OT early. I guess if someone like Jordan Morgan is there they might say F it and do it anyway. But I tend to think like TE it’s gonna be a middle round pick on a OT with upside but a bit of a project that needs 1-2 years with stoutland. And by then lane retires. 

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You need to be ready for moves down the road as well as next man up. WR3 doesn't have to be a WR3. He can come in as WR3 with WR1/2 potential. Are they going to extend AJ Brown when his cap hit goes from $12 million to $26 million after next year or do they look to move on? Does DeVonta Smith get a huge deal here or does he walk after year 5? 

I hope both are here for the next 5 years but the reality is, after next year they can move on from AJ Brown. He'll be 28. Will he be any happier with the coaches in a year? DeVonta is due his 5th year option after next year. Wouldn't be surprised if he asks to get moved so he can sign a new deal with another team if things don't change here. 

Even if both Brown and Smith are here for the next 5 years, Julio, Quez and Oz are all FA after this year. There is no WR3, WR4 or WR5. 

That stud RB is a FA and do we think Howie is paying him? Stud RB turns in to Kenny Gainwell as RB1 really fast.

That very good tight end is good to miss 4 games per year and TE2/3/4 are the most JAG players ever. The Eagles need a TE2 who can step in for Goedert when he gets hurt and then be ready to take over either after next year or 2025. None of Stoll, Calcaterra or Albert O are those guys.

That great OL has underachieved in a big way this year. There's about to be a hole at either C or RG and the RT needs the next man up sooner than later. 

Every position you listed could be listed as a position of need if the defense wasn't so full of holes. I don't want to sound negative but it's just the truth when you step back and look at the team from an objective point of view. 

 

If Howie builds the defense through the draft he can use FA money on swift, a 3rd WR, a backup TE. 

They need help to build the defense through the draft, or else you end up with what we just watched. Howie used his FA money on slay and bradberry, Evans, and some cheap LB.  You can't draft for the future on offense when the defense is a black hole.

They're not doing an all defense draft, that would be stupid. You can get all of those depth pieces you want in rounds 4-7. Round one needs to be defense, round two SHOULD be defense unless Penix is there. 3 should be defense. Ideally DE/CB 1/2, LB 3.

As to your first point, you very easily move on from AJ and keep devonta. There is high end WR talent every year and Smith's skillset will age better

Give me Bralen Trice RD2

On 1/1/2024 at 2:56 AM, D-Shiznit said:

We are likely to lose our last 6 of 7 games after starting out 10-1.

F yeah it's serious.

And turning a franchise into one of the loser teams with a new HC every year is the answer. Thank god you’ll never be a gm. 

2 minutes ago, devpool said:

If Howie builds the defense through the draft he can use FA money on swift, a 3rd WR, a backup TE. 

They need help to build the defense through the draft, or else you end up with what we just watched. Howie used his FA money on slay and bradberry, Evans, and some cheap LB.  You can't draft for the future on offense when the defense is a black hole.

They're not doing an all defense draft, that would be stupid. You can get all of those depth pieces you want in rounds 4-7. Round one needs to be defense, round two SHOULD be defense unless Penix is there. 3 should be defense. Ideally DE/CB 1/2, LB 3.

As to your first point, you very easily move on from AJ and keep devonta. There is high end WR talent every year and Smith's skillset will age better

The problem with having Howie build the defense through the draft is that Howie sucks at drafting defense, especially in the back 7.

I'd much rather rely on him bringing in FA on defense and drafting on the offensive side. But he has to go after bigger ticket guys, not dumpster diving. He needs to be aggressive and go for Brian Burns, Patrick Queen and Devin White types of players. 

6 minutes ago, devpool said:

 

As to your first point, you very easily move on from AJ and keep devonta. There is high end WR talent every year and Smith's skillset will age better

If the eagles were better at drafting WRs I’d be with you on this. The eagles have drafted 11 wide receivers since 2012. They hit big on devonta smith and i guess jordan matthews. And I’d argue matthews wasn’t the WR they should’ve taken in that spot. Eagles have spent 2 second rounders and 3 first rounders on WRs over the last 10 years, devonta smith is the only one that lived up to where they got drafted. 

Every pick in the 2024 draft should be on defense.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

The problem with having Howie build the defense through the draft is that Howie sucks at drafting defense, especially in the back 7.

I'd much rather rely on him bringing in FA on defense and drafting on the offensive side. But he has to go after bigger ticket guys, not dumpster diving. He needs to be aggressive and go for Brian Burns, Patrick Queen and Devin White types of players. 

Can the Eagles afford those guys?

Burns is going to be a max contract at DE.

16 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Watching the sugar bowl and Brian Johnson is basically running Washington's offense 🙄

No.  Washington's offense is better and more creative

2 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Can the Eagles afford those guys?

Burns is going to be a max contract at DE.

Eagles probably have the money to afford one blue chip guy or can spread it out to like 2-3 solid to good players. 

Damn

Trice might have moved up to RD1 after tonight

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

The problem with having Howie build the defense through the draft is that Howie sucks at drafting defense, especially in the back 7.

I'd much rather rely on him bringing in FA on defense and drafting on the offensive side. But he has to go after bigger ticket guys, not dumpster diving. He needs to be aggressive and go for Brian Burns, Patrick Queen and Devin White types of players. 

That's his MO though, if he's digging around in FA he's trying to find reclamation projects or guys coming off major injury. It would be out of character for him to do otherwise. His biggest acquisitions lately have come from trades (slay, brown, cjgj), but they have very little draft capital AND he also has had a lot of trades outright fail (Albert o, Avery, tate). 

Bottom line is that we are in an absolutely terrible position, praying that all the young players in the back 7 improve. 

Also, despite all the talent they have on offense this year, they STILL sucked on offense too often. So we already have an offense built to win shootouts but can't, so now they probably are gonna waste on asset early on a WR or TE and the defense will continue to suck.

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

At LB, do everything you can to train Nolan Smith at WLB and then make a splash with Patrick Queen or Devin White. SLB could be Ben VanSuren or a draft pick

Smith and VanSumeren getting snaps at ILB is what should have been happening all year,  it's happening now,  but it's something you want to work.  You really want cheap young players with really high ceilings to be playing great. 

What could be happening is the Eagles are burning out certain players during the regular season,  and preserving certain players for the playoffs.  Graham's PFF is extremely high,  higher than Sweat's.   Perhaps we see more of Graham in the playoffs?    Maybe we see a lot of Ojomo against the Giants?

Can the Eagles still pull players from other teams practice squads for this year?

Giants - Tyree Jackson

Albert O was the Tyree replace that the Eagles never used but should have.  Get Tyree back.   If not, lots of Calcaterra.   Calcaterra has pretty solid measures.   Smith is slightly hurt now,  that's not good. 

Calcaterra,  Covey - treat them like Brown and Smith against the Giants.   Give them each 10+ targets.   If they do good, you will want to put them on the field and give them targets in the playoffs.  "hey, maybe top punt returner Covey might be more potent than limping Smith on every single snap." "hey,  Utah's 2nd All Time Catches leader can play WR, especially slot wr."   Seriously, the guy who makes a lot of big plays on punt returns can get a few extra yards on a short and easy pass.   1st and 20 in the 4th Q after a Mailata hold?   Time for Covey play.   In a 1st and 20 situation,  in the 4th when what you want to do is remove seconds from the clock,  you don't want to throw an incomplete pass, which stops the clock.  Throwing a short pass to Covey,  perhaps behind the los, and having him go into "make the first person miss" mode.   There is a tremendous amount of video of Covey in college taking short passes and turning them into big gains.  I do not know at all why the Eagles are not doing the things that Covey regularly did in college.   I can see why you might not want to do that September 2022,  because back then you didn't know if he would be a good NFL player,  but now that he's pretty much the top punt returner in the NFL, you know that he's a good NFL player.    

I like the bang the table for lbs to play fb,   but this is a punt returner who has  the 2nd most catches at the University of Utah.   A classic, quick, slot receiver who also was a running QB in high school.  Undefeated.  2 state championships.   Yeah,  you don't want your starting franchise QB to be 5'8 and 160 pounds.  Or your college qb, I guess.   But he was good in high school with the passing.  72% completion.  You could have a shifty, agile, accurate throwing, proven slot wr, top nfl punt returner in the backfield,  running outside, or running a hot route,  doing useful things on a scramble drill.  

I'd like the Giants game to be Big Back Audition

We'd like to be able to hand the ball to a guy who is not Jalen who weighs more than 215 pounds.   We'd actually love it if we could hand the ball to someone who weighs substantially more than 215 pounds.   Maybe 315 pounds?   Use the Giants game to find out who the best ones are.   This is the "angry or maybe soft striking defense has a very fun day" game.  It's like a fun vacation, get your head right for the playoffs, lets have the defense and oline score TDs game.   Lots of running and lots of blocking by heavier players.  Also include fast defense players.

Lost in the hand wringing about the Eagles last second loss to the Cards is the fact that Sydney Brown had an excellent 99 yard interception return.  And if you look at NFL next gen stats,  you will see that that run was the 13th fastest run Of The Year.   21.52 mph.   Tyreek Hill is on that list often.   Sydney Brown played some running back in high school.  I'll take a 21.52 mph running back running outside.  Sydney Brown has a solid build, similar to running back.   I think he would be a suitable new weapon.

One key play they could use is - add new player to the backfield and pitch to him running outside.  Perhaps he's a tailback, behind Jalen.  Perhaps he's in motion.   I'm not seeing any other Eagles on the top 20 mph,  Sydney Brown could take a pitch.  Nolan Smith could take a pitch.  Ben VanSumeren could take a pitch.  Jalen Carter could take a pitch.  Jordan Davis could take a pitch. Cox could take a pitch.   Basically,  the Eagles just have a whole lot of really top athletes with top measures.  Putting 11 300+ pound top athletes top measures would be dominant.  The Eagles know how pushing works.  You put 11 like that, and you run as a blob with the ball carrier in the middle.  You'll get a few yards.   Throw to Mailata or Jordan Davis and they just start jogging forward,  and everyone catches up to him.    You see this all the time now, the pushing the pile,  but when you have a 350+ guy in the middle of the pile and everyone else is 300 pounds,  you're going to win that pushing contest,  and you'd win it over and over.   It would work.  They'd proably respond with their 11 biggest, and you counter with 1 piece of top speed,  and you can lateral out of the pile.  so, they could get the size to stop the size,  but do they also have the speed to stop 21.52 Sydney Brown or whatever Nolan Smith's top speed is.

Another good play to try is "motioning under center".   You put Jalen where he usually is,  shotgun,  and he'd take the snap. But sometimes,  player, who could be Britain Covey, Jordan Davis, Ben VanSumeren, Nolan Smith, Sydney Brown, Kelee Ringo, Jalen Carter and pretty much everybody,  goes into motion and gets under center.  They could go into motion, get under center, and then go into motion again.   If it's a 330+ Jordan Davis, the defense is going to be paying attention to this.  Even if it's just pure eye candy.  Jalen Carter, same thing.  Potentially scary from a size perspective.     Now, you could have them take the snap.  They could 1) run,  either between the tackles, or outside. 2) pitch back to Hurts, and then block or run a route 3) pitch to other back, the one who is running outside.   You could have a Carter/Davis Big Back who is motioning under center,  taking a snap and quickly pitching to a Covey, Sydney Brown, Kelee Ringo outside running back.  VanSumeren and Nolan Smith would be suitable for both inside and outside running.  Covey, as a undefeated high school qb,  should be able to pitch.   Let stars rest against the Giants and test these things to see how well they work.  Someone like Nolan Smith or 21.52 mph Sydney Brown taking a McCaffrey like pitch from under center might work extremely well. 

How about Jalen Hurts catching a Philly Special?

On 12/7/2023 at 5:56 PM, EaglePhan1986 said:

Tyreek Hill is the unquestionable MVP and Marvin Harrison is the unquestionable Heisman 

Anyone who disagrees is a real €untcake 

You were wrong then and wrong now, and as said then it's Penix 

If it's Washington vs Michigan that will be the ultimate matchup of great offense vs great defense. 

Michigan vs Washington 

 

34 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

No.  Washington's offense is better and more creative

Yeah, give Hurts Ryan Grubb and this team is rolling.  This exact same offense can be great in the hands of a great play caller.  Idk what the hell BJ and Sirianni are doing

 

21 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

If it's Washington vs Michigan that will be the ultimate matchup of great offense vs great defense. 

I actually think I’d take Washington in that matchup. I think Washington can score on Michigan’s defense. Bama put up 20 and Ohio state put up 24. I think Washington is the best offense they’ve faced all year. Arguably penix is the best Qb they’ve faced all year. And Washington has legit nfl level wrs. To me it comes down to whether i think Washington can hold Michigan. That’s an unknown cause Washington held Arizona to 24 but allowed Oregon to score 33 and 31 and usc to score 42

Bills are gonna win that game. Said a couple weeks back miami would lose 2 out of their final 3 and Buffalo would win out to win the afc east. 

 

Bralen 'Obie' Trice